RE: [gentoo-user] OT: Follow-up on the HDD problems...
> -Original Message- > From: Enrico Weigelt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 05 January 2007 19:46 > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Follow-up on the HDD problems... > > > * Nelson, David (ED, PAR&D) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > Unfortunately software developers can do a lot to your system > > under the guise of "copy protection". I for one think that > > there should be a written warning on the back of the box of > > every game that installs software on your PC for the purpose > > of copy protection. Some such as Starforce can cause havoc > > with a system. > > There also were some rumors about trojans on audio discs. > I'd really like to get one of those discs into my fingers, > for an forensic analysis + criminal information. > > Installing trojans is criminal (at least in .de), and should > be treated as such. > > > cu Are you referring to the Sony disks that installed 'copy protection'/'no cd ripping for you buddy' software? This wasn't so much a trojan itself afaik as a rather poorly written piece of software that could be exploited. And, of course, no-one knew it was there. David Note: These views are my own, advice is provided with no guarantee of success. I do not represent anyone else in any emails I send to this list. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Follow-up on the HDD problems...
* Nelson, David (ED, PAR&D) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, > Unfortunately software developers can do a lot to your system > under the guise of "copy protection". I for one think that > there should be a written warning on the back of the box of > every game that installs software on your PC for the purpose > of copy protection. Some such as Starforce can cause havoc > with a system. There also were some rumors about trojans on audio discs. I'd really like to get one of those discs into my fingers, for an forensic analysis + criminal information. Installing trojans is criminal (at least in .de), and should be treated as such. cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ - Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: http://patches.metux.de/ - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] OT: Follow-up on the HDD problems...
> -Original Message- > From: Mick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 24 December 2006 13:25 > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Follow-up on the HDD problems... > > I've never heard of such a case before! I can't even begin > to understand why > copy protection will screw up an OS' settings. Have you > complained to the > game's suppliers? Following Sony's screw-up with their copy > protection > trojan it may be time to start asking for compensation from > all game coders > out there who take liberties with your OS (even if half the > problem may well > lie with the particular OS?). > > -- > Regards, > Mick > Unfortunately software developers can do a lot to your system under the guise of "copy protection". I for one think that there should be a written warning on the back of the box of every game that installs software on your PC for the purpose of copy protection. Some such as Starforce can cause havoc with a system. David Note: These views are my own, advice is provided with no guarantee of success. I do not represent anyone else in any emails I send to this list. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Follow-up on the HDD problems...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Mick wrote: > On Saturday 23 December 2006 10:23, Chris Walters wrote: >> Some of you may remember the problem I was having with my SATA II HDD in >> Windows XP (but not in Linux). To recap: My drive got switched from >> UDMA mode to PIO mode in Windows (only). I ended up having to reinstall >> Windows. >> >> After some careful investigation, I found that the problem was caused by >> the copy protection of a game - Superpower 2. Worse, the problem was >> not corrected when I removed the game. It took either a full reinstall >> of the OS, or a restoration of the windows registry from before I >> installed the game to fix this problem. >> >> I know that this will not affect dedicated Linux users, but it can >> affect those of you who use both windows and Linux. > > I've never heard of such a case before! I can't even begin to understand why > copy protection will screw up an OS' settings. Have you complained to the > game's suppliers? Following Sony's screw-up with their copy protection > trojan it may be time to start asking for compensation from all game coders > out there who take liberties with your OS (even if half the problem may well > lie with the particular OS?). Hi Mick, Yes, I did complain to the the game's makers. I have yet to receive a reply. The funny thing about this game is that it uses a CD Key, yet it continually checks the CD - this is not funny, since it puts stress on my optical drive. As for part of the problem being with the OS, I used this same game with another system, running XP Pro, and this problem didn't occur. Of course, with windows, you never know... Regards, Chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFFkCB1Ux1jS/ORyCsRCEGUAJ9NNZaW4pZ+wq/fLHz+R2nqtx6VyACfQ/SD eOcbdWGWGLMWDM3ZeZv+AI0= =W2MY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Follow-up on the HDD problems...
Mick wrote: > On Saturday 23 December 2006 10:23, Chris Walters wrote: > >> Some of you may remember the problem I was having with my SATA II HDD in >> Windows XP (but not in Linux). To recap: My drive got switched from >> UDMA mode to PIO mode in Windows (only). I ended up having to reinstall >> Windows. >> >> After some careful investigation, I found that the problem was caused by >> the copy protection of a game - Superpower 2. Worse, the problem was >> not corrected when I removed the game. It took either a full reinstall >> of the OS, or a restoration of the windows registry from before I >> installed the game to fix this problem. >> >> I know that this will not affect dedicated Linux users, but it can >> affect those of you who use both windows and Linux. >> > > I've never heard of such a case before! I can't even begin to understand why > copy protection will screw up an OS' settings. Have you complained to the > game's suppliers? Following Sony's screw-up with their copy protection > trojan it may be time to start asking for compensation from all game coders > out there who take liberties with your OS (even if half the problem may well > lie with the particular OS?). > > Actually I've read about such cases before: http://blogs.technet.com/markrussinovich/archive/2005/10/31/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights-management-gone-too-far.aspx http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Russinovich http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Sony_faces_class_action_lawsuits_for_DRM -- Best regards, Daniel -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Follow-up on the HDD problems...
On Saturday 23 December 2006 10:23, Chris Walters wrote: > Some of you may remember the problem I was having with my SATA II HDD in > Windows XP (but not in Linux). To recap: My drive got switched from > UDMA mode to PIO mode in Windows (only). I ended up having to reinstall > Windows. > > After some careful investigation, I found that the problem was caused by > the copy protection of a game - Superpower 2. Worse, the problem was > not corrected when I removed the game. It took either a full reinstall > of the OS, or a restoration of the windows registry from before I > installed the game to fix this problem. > > I know that this will not affect dedicated Linux users, but it can > affect those of you who use both windows and Linux. I've never heard of such a case before! I can't even begin to understand why copy protection will screw up an OS' settings. Have you complained to the game's suppliers? Following Sony's screw-up with their copy protection trojan it may be time to start asking for compensation from all game coders out there who take liberties with your OS (even if half the problem may well lie with the particular OS?). -- Regards, Mick pgpirCxWrFSVV.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] OT: Follow-up on the HDD problems...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Some of you may remember the problem I was having with my SATA II HDD in Windows XP (but not in Linux). To recap: My drive got switched from UDMA mode to PIO mode in Windows (only). I ended up having to reinstall Windows. After some careful investigation, I found that the problem was caused by the copy protection of a game - Superpower 2. Worse, the problem was not corrected when I removed the game. It took either a full reinstall of the OS, or a restoration of the windows registry from before I installed the game to fix this problem. I know that this will not affect dedicated Linux users, but it can affect those of you who use both windows and Linux. Regards, Chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFFjQOiUx1jS/ORyCsRCHR9AJoDwEorkxKY+4Sl/vUEeit9D+wp/gCgkeAt 3SsHQQUoKPhV+ByfURBnSpY= =kw5l -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
