Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)
On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 18:51 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: IIRC, there was also a similar issue with the name Pheonix. I always thought that it could not be called Phoenix anymore because of the BIOS manufacturer (http://phoenix.com)? regards Jürgen -- ICQ #81510866 - http://the-gay-bar.com - MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Occam's Razor: -Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.- signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)
On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:27:17 + (UTC) Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-02-25, Joe Menola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 25 February 2007 12:55 pm, Dan Farrell wrote: but 'IceWeasel' is ugly. Bon Echo is such a nice name. I'd prefer firefox_alt or something similar. Something that tells me what it is Um, if you're not allowed to use the trademarked name firefox, then calling it firefox_alt is also going to be a trademark violation. This reminds me of when it was called FireBird, and then they had to change the name becuase of trademark violations or something of the sort. I laughed at the time, thinking how this little fledgling browser was irritating the supergiants. Now it's firefox that won't 'share' it's name, even with what is obstensiably the same thing. It's amusing. And wasn't there even another , pre'Firefox' name for the browser? I like the idea of calling it a blatant (but legal) ripoff, like 'FlameVixen' or something. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)
On Monday 26 February 2007, Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)': On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:27:17 + (UTC) Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-02-25, Joe Menola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 25 February 2007 12:55 pm, Dan Farrell wrote: but 'IceWeasel' is ugly. Bon Echo is such a nice name. I'd prefer firefox_alt or something similar. Something that tells me what it is Um, if you're not allowed to use the trademarked name firefox, then calling it firefox_alt is also going to be a trademark violation. This reminds me of when it was called FireBird, and then they had to change the name becuase of trademark violations or something of the sort. It was actually much less serious. Firebird is an open-source database that's been around (although not that popular) for longer than the mozilla project. The browser graciously decided, after notification (no posturing or threatening) by the database team not to overlap the names presumably to avoid confusing users. Now, that decision may have been made for a different reason. The company behind firefox probably wanted to be able to use the name as a trademark/brand at some point in the future and the pre-existing project may have undermind that. IIRC, there was also a similar issue with the name Pheonix. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ New GPG Key! Old key expires 2007-03-25. Upgrade NOW! pgpN1LaLVCcI2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:29:24 -0600 »Q« [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. I think it is not a good idea to call Firefox (for some branding issue) its development codename. Maybe Gentoo should use Debian's Iceweasel name. I agree. It's confusing that the brand-less name is the same as the development name. I don't seen anything about it at bugs.gentoo.org; you could file a bug. I'm not sure anyone would be motivated to patch it, though. As it is now, (well, AIUI) the USE flag just controls the --enable-official-branding switch for compiling and the Bon Echo you see is just an artifact of the way Mozilla ships its source code. I think something other than Iceweasel would be preferable, since Debian and GNU both have Iceweasel projects. but 'IceWeasel' is ugly. Bon Echo is such a nice name. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)
On Sunday 25 February 2007 12:55 pm, Dan Farrell wrote: but 'IceWeasel' is ugly. Bon Echo is such a nice name. I'd prefer firefox_alt or something similar. Something that tells me what it is -jm -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)
On 2007-02-25, Joe Menola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 25 February 2007 12:55 pm, Dan Farrell wrote: but 'IceWeasel' is ugly. Bon Echo is such a nice name. I'd prefer firefox_alt or something similar. Something that tells me what it is Um, if you're not allowed to use the trademarked name firefox, then calling it firefox_alt is also going to be a trademark violation. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Do I hear th' at SPINNING of various visi.comWHIRRING, ROUND, and WARM WHIRLOMATICS?! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)
On 2/25/07, Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-02-25, Joe Menola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 25 February 2007 12:55 pm, Dan Farrell wrote: but 'IceWeasel' is ugly. Bon Echo is such a nice name. I'd prefer firefox_alt or something similar. Something that tells me what it is Um, if you're not allowed to use the trademarked name firefox, then calling it firefox_alt is also going to be a trademark violation. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Do I hear th' at SPINNING of various visi.comWHIRRING, ROUND, and WARM WHIRLOMATICS?! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list Iceweasel for life. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 01:35:33PM -0700, Penguin Lover Korthrun squawked: Iceweasel for life. Getting a bit off topic here... But IceWeasel to me means something like Distant third cousin with some contradictory philosophy to FireFox, like, say, Galeon or Kazehakase. I prefer something like FlameCanid that more properly expresses the fact that ours is almost-exactly-but-not-quite-perfectly-the-same. :) W -- Problems done right, which is not always the case, usually contain a clue. ~DeathMech, S. Sondhi. P-town PHY 205 Sortir en Pantoufles: up 79 days, 20:28 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)
Grant Edwards wrote: If you want it to call itself Firefox add mozbranding to your USE flags. Thanks for bringing this up! My mother has been a little confused about this Bon Echo thing - and (re) emerging with USE=mozbranding got Firefox back for her, along with its expected icon. Cheers Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 17:15 -0500, Willie Wong wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 01:35:33PM -0700, Penguin Lover Korthrun squawked: Iceweasel for life. Getting a bit off topic here... what is a topic for, if not for getting off?! But IceWeasel to me means something like Distant third cousin with some contradictory philosophy to FireFox, like, say, Galeon or Kazehakase. I agree. What the hell is Bon Echo to someone who barely knows what firefox is?! I prefer something like FlameCanid that more properly expresses the fact that ours is almost-exactly-but-not-quite-perfectly-the-same. or Flamefox? or Hotfox, or Earthcat or Plasmadonkey, or Iceweasel... oh, we ruled out that one... but something that won't change with new firefox releases is a good idea. cya, -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au In Seattle, Washington, it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon that is over six feet in length. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)
On 2007-02-24, Gyuszk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear gentoo users, As you all know, Firefox 2.0.0.2 is stable on x86 in Portage. When one emerges it, Gnome menu call, and the software calls itself (in about box) Bon Echo (the codename of Firefox 2 development tree). Why? Some licensing BS or other. Is really development version of Firefox in Portage, or what? If you want it to call itself Firefox add mozbranding to your USE flags. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! A can of ASPARAGUS, at 73 pigeons, some LIVE ammo, visi.comand a FROZEN DAQUIRI!! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)
Grant Edwards schrieb: On 2007-02-24, Gyuszk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear gentoo users, As you all know, Firefox 2.0.0.2 is stable on x86 in Portage. When one emerges it, Gnome menu call, and the software calls itself (in about box) Bon Echo (the codename of Firefox 2 development tree). Why? Some licensing BS or other. Trademark Law, to be exact, and Mozilla.com's policy of not allowing patched Firefoxes to wear their brand badge. Debian calls it Iceweasel. (Ubuntu too?). Regards, T. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)
Thomas Rösner írta: Grant Edwards schrieb: On 2007-02-24, Gyuszk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear gentoo users, As you all know, Firefox 2.0.0.2 is stable on x86 in Portage. When one emerges it, Gnome menu call, and the software calls itself (in about box) Bon Echo (the codename of Firefox 2 development tree). Why? Some licensing BS or other. Trademark Law, to be exact, and Mozilla.com's policy of not allowing patched Firefoxes to wear their brand badge. Debian calls it Iceweasel. (Ubuntu too?). Regards, T. No, Ubuntu has made deal with Mozilla. They can use Firefox and Thunderbird brands. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)
Grant Edwards írta: On 2007-02-24, Gyuszk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear gentoo users, As you all know, Firefox 2.0.0.2 is stable on x86 in Portage. When one emerges it, Gnome menu call, and the software calls itself (in about box) Bon Echo (the codename of Firefox 2 development tree). Why? Some licensing BS or other. Is really development version of Firefox in Portage, or what? If you want it to call itself Firefox add mozbranding to your USE flags. Thanks. I think it is not a good idea to call Firefox (for some branding issue) its development codename. Maybe Gentoo should use Debian's Iceweasel name. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)
As you all know, Firefox 2.0.0.2 is stable on x86 in Portage. When one emerges it, Gnome menu call, and the software calls itself (in about box) Bon Echo (the codename of Firefox 2 development tree). Why? Some licensing BS or other. Is really development version of Firefox in Portage, or what? If you want it to call itself Firefox add mozbranding to your USE flags. Thanks. I think it is not a good idea to call Firefox (for some branding issue) its development codename. Maybe Gentoo should use Debian's Iceweasel name. I agree. It's confusing that the brand-less name is the same as the development name. - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)
In news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. I think it is not a good idea to call Firefox (for some branding issue) its development codename. Maybe Gentoo should use Debian's Iceweasel name. I agree. It's confusing that the brand-less name is the same as the development name. I don't seen anything about it at bugs.gentoo.org; you could file a bug. I'm not sure anyone would be motivated to patch it, though. As it is now, (well, AIUI) the USE flag just controls the --enable-official-branding switch for compiling and the Bon Echo you see is just an artifact of the way Mozilla ships its source code. I think something other than Iceweasel would be preferable, since Debian and GNU both have Iceweasel projects. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
