[gentoo-user] Re: How to play quicktime (*.mov) videos with firefox
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 09/01/2009 03:00 AM, Stroller wrote: On 31 Aug 2009, at 18:15, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 08/31/2009 05:00 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 08/30/2009 10:59 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: 64bit Linux, AFAICT, does not yet play .mov files They play fine here. Are you able to drag a link from this page: http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony_pictures/district9/ and play it on mplayer? No. Those are reference files (only a few kB big), not the real *.mov files. `mplayer -playlist /path/to/reference-file.mov` might be worth a go. Apple's server doesn't allow access to the actual movies (if you try to open the URL to the real *.mov file, you get redirected to some movie ads page). I guess it checks for the QuickTime player's user agent. So I can't try to test if those *.mov files play OK here since I can't even get to them. Yep you're right about the user agent! Apparently a quicktime user agent is a recent requirement - which explains why mplayer worked for me a few months ago (before going to 64bit). One can set the user agent string used by mplayer with -user-agent string; or via smplayer as well. So setting -user-agent QuickTime/7.6.2 will allow one to stream using mplayer; using wget -U QuickTime/7.6.2 allows one to download the .mov first. Also, rumor has it that if one adds quicktime to the user agent string of his browser, he can stream the apple movies within the browser (something I'm trying to get away from) ) this page describes how to get it to work: http://www.hd-trailers.net/blog/2009/08/20/direct-download-links-from-apple-are-not-working/ HTH
[gentoo-user] Re: How to play quicktime (*.mov) videos with firefox
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 08/30/2009 10:59 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: 64bit Linux, AFAICT, does not yet play .mov files They play fine here. Are you able to drag a link from this page: http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony_pictures/district9/ and play it on mplayer? TIA!
[gentoo-user] Re: How to play quicktime (*.mov) videos with firefox
On 08/31/2009 05:00 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 08/30/2009 10:59 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: 64bit Linux, AFAICT, does not yet play .mov files They play fine here. Are you able to drag a link from this page: http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony_pictures/district9/ and play it on mplayer? No. Those are reference files (only a few kB big), not the real *.mov files.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to play quicktime (*.mov) videos with firefox
On 31 Aug 2009, at 18:15, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 08/31/2009 05:00 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 08/30/2009 10:59 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: 64bit Linux, AFAICT, does not yet play .mov files They play fine here. Are you able to drag a link from this page: http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony_pictures/district9/ and play it on mplayer? No. Those are reference files (only a few kB big), not the real *.mov files. `mplayer -playlist /path/to/reference-file.mov` might be worth a go. Stroller.
[gentoo-user] Re: How to play quicktime (*.mov) videos with firefox
On 09/01/2009 03:00 AM, Stroller wrote: On 31 Aug 2009, at 18:15, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 08/31/2009 05:00 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 08/30/2009 10:59 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: 64bit Linux, AFAICT, does not yet play .mov files They play fine here. Are you able to drag a link from this page: http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony_pictures/district9/ and play it on mplayer? No. Those are reference files (only a few kB big), not the real *.mov files. `mplayer -playlist /path/to/reference-file.mov` might be worth a go. Apple's server doesn't allow access to the actual movies (if you try to open the URL to the real *.mov file, you get redirected to some movie ads page). I guess it checks for the QuickTime player's user agent. So I can't try to test if those *.mov files play OK here since I can't even get to them.
[gentoo-user] Re: How to play quicktime (*.mov) videos with firefox
Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk writes: Actually, I think there used to be an mplayer USE flag that behaved in exactly this way - it was associated with RealPlayer /or their codecs. However I would assume this to be the exception rather than the rule, and one would generally assume that USE=x y z adds support for x, y, z. Maybe not all that exceptional... consider the case of users who don't run gnome desktop but want certain gnome tools... would they not leave gnome at `-gnome'?
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to play quicktime (*.mov) videos with firefox
On Sunday 30 August 2009 18:09:08 Harry Putnam wrote: Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk writes: Actually, I think there used to be an mplayer USE flag that behaved in exactly this way - it was associated with RealPlayer /or their codecs. However I would assume this to be the exception rather than the rule, and one would generally assume that USE=x y z adds support for x, y, z. Maybe not all that exceptional... consider the case of users who don't run gnome desktop but want certain gnome tools... would they not leave gnome at `-gnome'? You have it wrong. USE=thing is supposed to add *support* for thing, not necessarily *install* something called thing. Whatever thing means in the context of a specific ebuild depends on what the ebuild is for, and different ebuilds with the same USE flag may have entirely different DEPEND stanzas, depending on how the package is written and what it needs to build/run. mplayer support for realplayer was a right royal cockup. The only thing it could ever have meant was that mplayer could play Real videos. But the way it was documented, users couldn't figure out if this would install the binary realplayer, provide support for real from some other party, or do an entirely different third action. USE=gnome does not necessarily install all of gnome. That would depend on what specific packages using that flag you have installed. They have their own DEPENDS, and the sum total of those is what you get if you set the flag. if you want certain gnome tools but not the gnome desktop, then you would leave USE at -gnome and emerge the gnome tools. Which means that everything else you have that could support gnome, will be built without gnome support (with the exception of packages written by folk who don't know how to do compile-time configuration). What's so exceptional about that? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to play quicktime (*.mov) videos with firefox
On Sun, August 30, 2009 19:23, Harry Putnam wrote: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: You have it wrong. A not unusual state of affairs for me, I'll admit. After several yrs on gentoo... I still don't understand fully the use of the USE flags. USE=thing is supposed to add *support* for thing, not necessarily *install* something called thing. Whatever thing means in the context of a specific ebuild depends on what the ebuild is for, and different ebuilds with the same USE flag may have entirely different DEPEND stanzas, depending on how the package is written and what it needs to build/run. But wouldn't having the gnome use flag active cause updates to pull in stuff that may not be necessary for the one or two gnome based tools $user wants? USE flags don't pull into your system things that are not required. If you enable a given feature and extra stuff is required, then it is required. Otherwise, just disable the feature and that way you will remove the dependencies. You don't have to enable it globally either. If you only require the feature for a given program use package.use instead of putting the USE in your make.conf, that way you will limit the scope of the use flag to a given package. -- Jesús Guerrero
[gentoo-user] Re: How to play quicktime (*.mov) videos with firefox
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: You have it wrong. A not unusual state of affairs for me, I'll admit. After several yrs on gentoo... I still don't understand fully the use of the USE flags. USE=thing is supposed to add *support* for thing, not necessarily *install* something called thing. Whatever thing means in the context of a specific ebuild depends on what the ebuild is for, and different ebuilds with the same USE flag may have entirely different DEPEND stanzas, depending on how the package is written and what it needs to build/run. But wouldn't having the gnome use flag active cause updates to pull in stuff that may not be necessary for the one or two gnome based tools $user wants?
[gentoo-user] Re: How to play quicktime (*.mov) videos with firefox
Harry Putnam wrote: I'm having a heck of a time getting firefox setup so it can handle quicktime videos. FWIW, out of security considerations I run FF in a chroot jail with as little other stuff in the jail as possible So using an extension called unplug https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2254 I can locate embedded media and download the link or the file itself. I then play the download on 32bit using mplayer (in its own jail). 64bit Linux, AFAICT, does not yet play .mov files, so I'm presently using QTalternative in wine 'til mplayer, xine, or vlc works on 64bit. HTH
[gentoo-user] Re: How to play quicktime (*.mov) videos with firefox
On 08/30/2009 10:59 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: 64bit Linux, AFAICT, does not yet play .mov files They play fine here.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to play quicktime (*.mov) videos with firefox
On 30 Aug 2009, at 18:23, Harry Putnam wrote: ... USE=thing is supposed to add *support* for thing, not necessarily *install* something called thing. Whatever thing means in the context of a specific ebuild depends on what the ebuild is for, and different ebuilds with the same USE flag may have entirely different DEPEND stanzas, depending on how the package is written and what it needs to build/run. But wouldn't having the gnome use flag active cause updates to pull in stuff that may not be necessary for the one or two gnome based tools $user wants? The way I tend to perceive USE flags is that they generally add compatibility or add extra options. So if you emerge mplayer the dvd USE flag adds DVD compatibility support to mplayer. At one time I used a wifi driver which had an X USE flag - adding that installed a GUI utility for configuring the driver, if it was omitted then one would simply edit text files in the normal way. If you add these USE flags and install packages that use them, then, yes, the USE flag may add dependencies and cause additional packages to be installed. But simply adding a USE flag won't _on its own_ install additional packages - you have to run emerge before they're drawn in, and you get to review the dependencies at that time. You might find that if YOU added USE=gnome to your make.conf and reinstalled world that a whole load of extra gnome packages would be installed. But probably not as much as installing the whole gnome-base/ gnome. The thing is that people who WANT gnome will probably already have installed gnome-base/gnome and games-mud/gnome-mud and gnome- extra/gnome-web-photo and gnome-foo/bar - for them adding the gnome USE flag and emerging mplayer may not install any additional packages (because they already have so many gnomish packages installed that the dependencies are already satisfied) but simply add a simple GUI for mplayer and an entry in the Gnome start menu. I hope this clarifies, but I apologise if I'm explaining in a way that makes sense only to me. I tend to add USE flags to make.conf for stuff I'm likely to use all the time - support for tiff and jpeg, for instance. Then I consider other USE flags on a package-by-package basis (`emerge -pv package`). I may add -truetype to package.use if it indicates that loads of X11 type dependencies will be installed on my headless server, but generally I don't worry too much about one or three additional small packages being installed as dependencies - I like Gentoo because it's small lean fast, but it's generally that way, anyway, and most packages in the tree add little overhead. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to play quicktime (*.mov) videos with firefox
On 30 Aug 2009, at 17:40, Alan McKinnon wrote: ... mplayer support for realplayer was a right royal cockup. The only thing it could ever have meant was that mplayer could play Real videos. But the way it was documented, users couldn't figure out if this would install the binary realplayer, provide support for real from some other party, or do an entirely different third action. I _believe_ that at one time the real USE flag installed RealPlayer's binary codecs, but that with USE=-real mplayer would still play most Real streams, anyway. This is - as you say - confusing and non-intuitive. When the the real USE flag was masked there was, therefore, uproar because it was assumed by the unwashed masses (including myself) that OMG! mplayer won't play the BBC Radio 1 Real stream anymore, and this assumption was incorrect. IIRC the RealPlayer's binary codecs were pretty much used only for streams of an obsolete format depreciated by Real themselves. Newer Real streams used codecs like MP3 that mplayer would quite happily decode on its own (providing USE=mp3). I gather, however, that the real USE flag may now have been reinstated with a different meaning - the intuitive one. :/ Stroller.
[gentoo-user] Re: How to play quicktime (*.mov) videos with firefox
Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk writes: I'm surprised you emerged mplayer with USE=-quicktime, since the purpose of doing so is to play Quicktime videos. :P emerge came up with those setting... I just didn't change it.
[gentoo-user] Re: How to play quicktime (*.mov) videos with firefox
On 08/29/2009 10:59 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: Strollerstrol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk writes: I'm surprised you emerged mplayer with USE=-quicktime, since the purpose of doing so is to play Quicktime videos. :P emerge came up with those setting... I just didn't change it. Well you can't expect emerge to read your mind. If you want something, enable it. This is Gentoo, after all.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to play quicktime (*.mov) videos with firefox
Am Samstag, 29. August 2009 schrieb Harry Putnam: Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk writes: I'm surprised you emerged mplayer with USE=-quicktime, since the purpose of doing so is to play Quicktime videos. :P emerge came up with those setting... I just didn't change it. Wrong profile? I always forget to switch it to desktop during a new install. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' The manual said WindowsXP or better, so I installed GNU/Linux... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Re: How to play quicktime (*.mov) videos with firefox
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Harry Putnamrea...@newsguy.com wrote: I'm having a heck of a time getting firefox setup so it can handle quicktime videos. [...] Paul wrote: Seems to possibly be related to win32codecs and/or quicktime USE flag. Try enabling one or both of them and see if that helps. Haa It sure was related... compiled without complaint with those use flags turned on. Thank you
[gentoo-user] Re: How to play quicktime (*.mov) videos with firefox
Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de writes: On 08/29/2009 10:59 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: Strollerstrol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk writes: I'm surprised you emerged mplayer with USE=-quicktime, since the purpose of doing so is to play Quicktime videos. :P emerge came up with those setting... I just didn't change it. Well you can't expect emerge to read your mind. If you want something, enable it. This is Gentoo, after all. Ok... everybody is suddenly an expert... hehe. My thinking ran something like: Mplayer may play *.mov files with its own codec... therefor quicktime codecs might interfere therefore my smart gentoo tools knew this and set the quicktime flag to minus. Ok, so it isn't all that likely...
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to play quicktime (*.mov) videos with firefox
On 29 Aug 2009, at 22:34, Harry Putnam wrote: ... Well you can't expect emerge to read your mind. If you want something, enable it. This is Gentoo, after all. Ok... everybody is suddenly an expert... hehe. My thinking ran something like: Mplayer may play *.mov files with its own codec... therefor quicktime codecs might interfere Ok, so it isn't all that likely... Actually, I think there used to be an mplayer USE flag that behaved in exactly this way - it was associated with RealPlayer /or their codecs. However I would assume this to be the exception rather than the rule, and one would generally assume that USE=x y z adds support for x, y, z. I believe there has in the past for this reason been some confusion over this real / RealPlayer use flag. The devs masked it to prevent Real's own crappy binaries being used (in favour of mplayer doing the decoding itself) and I think there was some protest from people who didn't apprecaite that their mplayer would continue to stream Radio 1 without it. Stroller.
