Re: [gentoo-user] Re: JMicron confusion
Ryan Sims wrote: Nuts, ignore that. Just realized the optical drives will be PATA, which goes through the JMicron. Shoot. Looks like I'll have to give either kernelOfTruth's LiveCD a shot, or possibly roll my own. Or find a LiveCD for another distro that has 2.6.18 or so. Hmm. Yep - see if you can find a USB cdrom to boot the live cd off. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: JMicron confusion
On 9/29/06, Ryan Sims <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 9/29/06, Mark Kirkwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ryan Sims wrote: > > On 9/29/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 9/29/06, Ryan Sims <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > Let me rephrase my question: If I only use SATA drives, non RAID, > >> > they only run through the P975 southbridge, and I should be ok, right? > >> > >> Well I don't own one of these things, but it looks like the SATA stuff > >> goes through the JMicron chip, while the RAID is provided by the 975. > > > > I thought it was the other way around? > > > > Southbridge > > - 4 x SATA 3.0 Gb/s ports > > JMicron(r) JMB363 PATA and SATA controller > > - 1 x UltraDMA 133/100/66 for up to 2 PATA devices > > - 1 x Internal SATA 3.0 Gb/s port > > - 1 x External SATA 3.0 Gb/s port (SATA On-the-Go) > > - Support SATA RAID 0, 1 and JBOD > > > > (from > > http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=1178&l1=3&l2=11&l3=307) > > > > > > That seems to say that 4 SATA drives can go through the Southbridge > > (P965, typo earlier, sorry) > > > Yeah - looks like it is for that board - as it uses ICH8 for plain old > SATA and JMicron for RAID, other similar boards seem to use ICH8R for > RAID and JMicron for plain old SATA... just to add to the confusion :-) > Confusion indeed ;) So how well is the ICH8 southbride supported? RAID isn't on my list of things to worry about, so if I try just straight-up SATA drives, will things work off of 2006.1, you think? Nuts, ignore that. Just realized the optical drives will be PATA, which goes through the JMicron. Shoot. Looks like I'll have to give either kernelOfTruth's LiveCD a shot, or possibly roll my own. Or find a LiveCD for another distro that has 2.6.18 or so. Hmm. -- Ryan W Sims () ascii ribbon /\ campaign - against html mail - against proprietary attachments -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: JMicron confusion
On 9/29/06, Mark Kirkwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ryan Sims wrote: > On 9/29/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 9/29/06, Ryan Sims <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Let me rephrase my question: If I only use SATA drives, non RAID, >> > they only run through the P975 southbridge, and I should be ok, right? >> >> Well I don't own one of these things, but it looks like the SATA stuff >> goes through the JMicron chip, while the RAID is provided by the 975. > > I thought it was the other way around? > > Southbridge > - 4 x SATA 3.0 Gb/s ports > JMicron(r) JMB363 PATA and SATA controller > - 1 x UltraDMA 133/100/66 for up to 2 PATA devices > - 1 x Internal SATA 3.0 Gb/s port > - 1 x External SATA 3.0 Gb/s port (SATA On-the-Go) > - Support SATA RAID 0, 1 and JBOD > > (from > http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=1178&l1=3&l2=11&l3=307) > > > That seems to say that 4 SATA drives can go through the Southbridge > (P965, typo earlier, sorry) Yeah - looks like it is for that board - as it uses ICH8 for plain old SATA and JMicron for RAID, other similar boards seem to use ICH8R for RAID and JMicron for plain old SATA... just to add to the confusion :-) Confusion indeed ;) So how well is the ICH8 southbride supported? RAID isn't on my list of things to worry about, so if I try just straight-up SATA drives, will things work off of 2006.1, you think? -- Ryan W Sims () ascii ribbon /\ campaign - against html mail - against proprietary attachments -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: JMicron confusion
Ryan Sims wrote: On 9/29/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 9/29/06, Ryan Sims <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Let me rephrase my question: If I only use SATA drives, non RAID, > they only run through the P975 southbridge, and I should be ok, right? Well I don't own one of these things, but it looks like the SATA stuff goes through the JMicron chip, while the RAID is provided by the 975. I thought it was the other way around? Southbridge - 4 x SATA 3.0 Gb/s ports JMicron(r) JMB363 PATA and SATA controller - 1 x UltraDMA 133/100/66 for up to 2 PATA devices - 1 x Internal SATA 3.0 Gb/s port - 1 x External SATA 3.0 Gb/s port (SATA On-the-Go) - Support SATA RAID 0, 1 and JBOD (from http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=1178&l1=3&l2=11&l3=307) That seems to say that 4 SATA drives can go through the Southbridge (P965, typo earlier, sorry) Yeah - looks like it is for that board - as it uses ICH8 for plain old SATA and JMicron for RAID, other similar boards seem to use ICH8R for RAID and JMicron for plain old SATA... just to add to the confusion :-) Cheers Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: JMicron confusion
On 9/29/06, Ryan Sims <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 9/29/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/29/06, Ryan Sims <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Let me rephrase my question: If I only use SATA drives, non RAID, > > they only run through the P975 southbridge, and I should be ok, right? > > Well I don't own one of these things, but it looks like the SATA stuff > goes through the JMicron chip, while the RAID is provided by the 975. I thought it was the other way around? Maybe...as I said I don't have one of these beasties, and I was inferring based on someone else's lspci output from the forums. Either way, there is no guarantee, as 965 support still had issues until 2.6.18. Anyway, some recent threads from -amd64 might be helpful: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.amd64/8975 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.amd64/8870/focus=8870 (ignore the "this isn't amd so go away" crap from the second one) -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: JMicron confusion
On Saturday 30 September 2006 00:52, Richard Fish wrote: > On 9/29/06, Ryan Sims <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Let me rephrase my question: If I only use SATA drives, non RAID, > > they only run through the P975 southbridge, and I should be ok, right? > > Well I don't own one of these things, but it looks like the SATA stuff > goes through the JMicron chip, while the RAID is provided by the 975. > > It should be possible to get working, but I expect you'll have trouble > with installation. It looks like the JMicron SATA support was added in > 2.6.18, so I wouldn't really expect the 2006.1 liveCD to use the chip > optimally, if at all. You might end up hunting down a different live > CD, needing to stage it on a different system, or something else > similarly difficult. jmicron-support was added to 2.6.16. But I am not sure that it was added for ALL jmicron controller ;) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: JMicron confusion
On 9/29/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 9/29/06, Ryan Sims <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Let me rephrase my question: If I only use SATA drives, non RAID, > they only run through the P975 southbridge, and I should be ok, right? Well I don't own one of these things, but it looks like the SATA stuff goes through the JMicron chip, while the RAID is provided by the 975. I thought it was the other way around? Southbridge - 4 x SATA 3.0 Gb/s ports JMicron(r) JMB363 PATA and SATA controller - 1 x UltraDMA 133/100/66 for up to 2 PATA devices - 1 x Internal SATA 3.0 Gb/s port - 1 x External SATA 3.0 Gb/s port (SATA On-the-Go) - Support SATA RAID 0, 1 and JBOD (from http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=1178&l1=3&l2=11&l3=307) That seems to say that 4 SATA drives can go through the Southbridge (P965, typo earlier, sorry) -- Ryan W Sims () ascii ribbon /\ campaign - against html mail - against proprietary attachments -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: JMicron confusion
On 9/29/06, Ryan Sims <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Let me rephrase my question: If I only use SATA drives, non RAID, they only run through the P975 southbridge, and I should be ok, right? Well I don't own one of these things, but it looks like the SATA stuff goes through the JMicron chip, while the RAID is provided by the 975. It should be possible to get working, but I expect you'll have trouble with installation. It looks like the JMicron SATA support was added in 2.6.18, so I wouldn't really expect the 2006.1 liveCD to use the chip optimally, if at all. You might end up hunting down a different live CD, needing to stage it on a different system, or something else similarly difficult. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: JMicron confusion
On 9/29/06, Ryan Sims <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm looking at upgrading to a Core 2 Duo system, and looking at the Asus P5B series of motherboards. I've found a couple forum posts (http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-494387-highlight-p965.html and http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-498160-highlight-p965.html) that seem to indicate troubles with JMicron support in kernels. Is this something I should be concerned about? The forum discussions seem to indicate that the problem is unresolved, indicating to me that I should look elsewhere for motherboards. Let me rephrase my question: If I only use SATA drives, non RAID, they only run through the P975 southbridge, and I should be ok, right? Or am I wrong? -- Ryan W Sims () ascii ribbon /\ campaign - against html mail - against proprietary attachments -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
