Re: [gentoo-user] Re: dlna amp; Gentoo
On 29 Jan 2010, at 15:14, James wrote: Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace.net.au writes: ... Exactly what I'm afraid. If I have to roll my own, I guess I'll just by the version( Yamaha RX-V1900) without ethernet and load up a Gentoo PC with sound cards that splice from the mixer to all of the components and amplifiers. I think you want to have a word with this guy: http://www.vimeo.com/1878837 I'm unclear what the tuner gives you that you can't get with a PCI tuner card in a Gentoo box, MediaTomb and some work. The video shows streaming of Internet radio. As I understand the purpose of a conventional hi-fi tuner, it's to receive over-the-air conventional radio, and it seems to be this streaming of Internet radio that is an extra feature of this advertised tuner (although I only glanced at the Yamaha's specification, as I'm not qualified to understand it). However with a tuner card one could additionally receive digital radio via DVB-T or DVB-S. All this could be managed via web-interface on a DIY Gentoo box. Alternatively Silverstone offer computer cases with big dials buttons on the front. Stroller.
[gentoo-user] Re: dlna amp; Gentoo
Stroller stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk writes: I don't understand how you would control either a web-browser, or a web-server, using DLNA. Agreed. DLNA is new for me too. I'm going to find an integrated receiver with ethernet and drag a laptop into a store and see how is works. There just not much documentation on what each vendor is doing, and asking some penny-poke in the store how it works is useless. Now I've discovered that not lots of (astute) folks have work with this DLNA either. (go figure) there can be loads of other incompatibilities when trying to actually stream the music between devices in the home. But I would reckon that browser compatibility is the least of your problems. Most likely MicroSoft has infected this space as I cannot find lots of docs about interoperability, testing or certification lists anywhere. Besides that's what vendors (usually) do in my experience. DLNA is very loose from what I read about it. Oh well, it's now another project and the ethernet port just might not be worth it. I have loads of audio gear already. I'm experimenting and build a sound system for every need, with a method for my kids to be able to use the AV with DVD and terrestrial radio and such. Once last thing. It's nice to have these integrated amps for 'light duty' audio and letting the kids and such use the system. When I power up the big amps (2K watts), I use the 'pre-outs' in the integrated receiver to feed into a mixer. If you make it so you have to use a computer for simple sound then some kids and some folks get flustered. imho. I think this space is very dynamic as vendors struggle to understand how to let customers have what they want, and still maintain some differential control over their products features.. YEP look here (MicroSuck) is front and center. SO DLNA will SUCK! http://www.dlna.org/about_us/roster/ Just what I feared. I guess vendors are just too stupid to realize all they have to do is put ethernet on the product and document what paramaters to pass over which open standard protocol (RFC) and ports they want to use and Whamo it works.. This is just what I figured it was. Microsoft contaminated crap. thanks for all the input, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: dlna amp; Gentoo
On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 15:14 +, James wrote: I was hoping to avoid this, with an integrated, Gentoo controllable amp/receiver unit. Nobody has found such hardware ? Surely there is an integrated product that feature embedded linux on a uP and user friendly with browser other than IExploder? surely there is an open product that could be nicely controlled, maybe / maybe not linux. Finding and testing it before you buy might be the issue. -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au No bird soars too high if he soars with his own wings. -- William Blake
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: dlna amp; Gentoo
On Saturday 30 January 2010 07:56:12 Iain Buchanan wrote: On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 15:14 +, James wrote: I was hoping to avoid this, with an integrated, Gentoo controllable amp/receiver unit. Nobody has found such hardware ? Surely there is an integrated product that feature embedded linux on a uP and user friendly with browser other than IExploder? surely there is an open product that could be nicely controlled, maybe / maybe not linux. Finding and testing it before you buy might be the issue. It sounds like the hardware the OP is after is a bit unusual, not the kind of thing you'd get in a High St department store. Here where I live, it's quite easy to find specialists for that kind of stuff, small firms that often do installations as well. I've always found them to be very willing to cater to the customer - they don't have thousands of them streaming in the door. Approach them on the basis of two knowledgeable techies figuring something out, and they are usually quite helpful. Well that's how it generally works here. Different attitudes might prevail elsewhere. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Re: dlna amp; Gentoo
Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace.net.au writes: what contract? Sorry buddy, that's just how they make 'em. Take it up with the manufacturer is what I'd expect to hear. Either that or You want to do what? What's Linux? Exactly what I'm afraid. If I have to roll my own, I guess I'll just by the version( Yamaha RX-V1900) without ethernet and load up a Gentoo PC with sound cards that splice from the mixer to all of the components and amplifiers. Any suggestion on rigging up that way? Any diagrams of home studio/audio setups that I could look at would be keen. I was hoping to avoid this, with an integrated, Gentoo controllable amp/receiver unit. Nobody has found such hardware ? Surely there is an integrated product that feature embedded linux on a uP and user friendly with browser other than IExploder? James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: dlna amp; Gentoo
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 9:14 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: I was hoping to avoid this, with an integrated, Gentoo controllable amp/receiver unit. Nobody has found such hardware ? Surely there is an integrated product that feature embedded linux on a uP and user friendly with browser other than IExploder? I have no experience myself and don't understand what is the difference between DLNA or UPnP etc, but a google search for dlna linux gives me this chart: http://www.rbgrn.net/content/21-how-to-choose-dlna-media-server-windows-mac-os-x-or-linux
[gentoo-user] Re: dlna amp; Gentoo
Peter Humphrey peter at humphrey.ukfsn.org writes: what contract? It was just a suggestion, anyway. Take it or leave it. Here in the US, it's 'buyer beware'. I could return it, but since I was going to purchase the unit mail-order that's problematic. I guess I'll just take a laptop and find a store that sells a prospective unit and see what firefox can do over ethernet. Active 'X controls and such are often embedded in the products embedded web server and that sort of thing or any proprietary issues, will preclude Gentoo from either working or enjoying the full set of control features. If this is the case, I'm not spending the extra money. But since I'm spending new money, then it would be nice to see a robust, Open Source friendly at least, solution before I pay extra for an ethernet interface on an Integrated AV media server. Field testing looks like my only recourse as these sort of details are sparsely documented, to say the least thx to all that replied. James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: dlna amp; Gentoo
On 29 Jan 2010, at 15:14, James wrote: ... Surely there is an integrated product that feature embedded linux on a uP and user friendly with browser other than IExploder? The office of CTO posted this to Dell's Linux mailing list today: ... (yes, source code is available, minus any non-open-source components of course). But there are also components which are not open source licensed, for a variety of reasons (strategic choice, license by the authors if not Dell, ... I feel this statement characterises embedded Linux. :( If you want to feel free, may I recommend an Ibiza mix, maybe a little Dave Pearce, on your headphones. :D Or build it yourself. :/ Stroller.
