Re: [gentoo-user] Using KDE apps in a non KDE environment
Whoops, big mistake on my part. I misread the threading of the original email and credited the idea to Alan Mc Kinnon. The credit should go to Rich Freeman. Sorry Rich, Andrew On 10/10/2015 06:56 PM, Andrew Lowe wrote: > On 10/03/2015 06:41 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:30 AM, Alan McKinnon >> wrote: >>> On 02/10/2015 05:31, Andrew Lowe wrote: Hi all, I'm getting disillusioned with the direction KDE is taking, with respect to forcing users to use things they don't want to. The semantic desktop, or whatever they are now calling bits and pieces of it, is one thing that comes immediately to mind. Anyway, I've decided to move on and am thinking of going to lxqt. The problem is that I'm used to several KDE apps, kwooty, kwrite and a few more. Is it possible to run something such as lxqt and then emerge in kde apps where it will bring in just a few kde libraries, which I can live with, but not the whole desktop environment? >>> >>> Yes. Remove all of KDE then emerge back in the apps you want, they have >>> deps on the libs they need. Whatever they pull in is required. >> >> It is easier than that. >> >> Edit your /var/lib/portage/world >> Remove anything kde-related you're not explicitly interested in, such >> as kde-meta >> Add anything you are explicitly interested in, such as kwooty or kwrite >> Add kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta >> >> Then run emerge --depclean and watch all the other stuff go away. >> >> No need to purge yourself of stuff like kdelibs that takes a long time >> to rebuild just to add it back. Let the dependency manager help you >> out for a change. :) >> >> I'm not even certain you need to explicitly add kdebase-runtime-meta - >> other packages might pull that in on their own but I'm not certain of >> that. Run a --depclean -p first and see what portage wants to get rid >> of before going that route. Software may-or-may not work correctly >> without that virtual installed and your bugs will be closed as >> invalid. That virtual is intended to be a somewhat-minimalist one for >> situations like yours, but kde applications still will tend to pull a >> lot of stuff in. >> > > Closing my original question, I followed Alan's advice, fiddled the > world file, and whilst not exactly "hey presto", a few emerge's, some > hand manipulation of a few files and eventually it worked. > > It's a bit of a jump, I'd become quite used to Dolphin and whilst > pcmanfm likes to think of itself as a dolphin replacement, it's a long > long way from being so. There is no autohide of the task bar, no > slideshow wallpaper option, I still can't work out automounting of usb's > and plenty more to keep you on your toes. > > So thanks for all of your suggestions. > > Andrew > >
Re: [gentoo-user] Using KDE apps in a non KDE environment
On 10/03/2015 06:41 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:30 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 02/10/2015 05:31, Andrew Lowe wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> I'm getting disillusioned with the direction KDE is taking, with >>> respect to forcing users to use things they don't want to. The semantic >>> desktop, or whatever they are now calling bits and pieces of it, is one >>> thing that comes immediately to mind. >>> >>> Anyway, I've decided to move on and am thinking of going to lxqt. The >>> problem is that I'm used to several KDE apps, kwooty, kwrite and a few >>> more. Is it possible to run something such as lxqt and then emerge in >>> kde apps where it will bring in just a few kde libraries, which I can >>> live with, but not the whole desktop environment? >> >> Yes. Remove all of KDE then emerge back in the apps you want, they have >> deps on the libs they need. Whatever they pull in is required. > > It is easier than that. > > Edit your /var/lib/portage/world > Remove anything kde-related you're not explicitly interested in, such > as kde-meta > Add anything you are explicitly interested in, such as kwooty or kwrite > Add kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta > > Then run emerge --depclean and watch all the other stuff go away. > > No need to purge yourself of stuff like kdelibs that takes a long time > to rebuild just to add it back. Let the dependency manager help you > out for a change. :) > > I'm not even certain you need to explicitly add kdebase-runtime-meta - > other packages might pull that in on their own but I'm not certain of > that. Run a --depclean -p first and see what portage wants to get rid > of before going that route. Software may-or-may not work correctly > without that virtual installed and your bugs will be closed as > invalid. That virtual is intended to be a somewhat-minimalist one for > situations like yours, but kde applications still will tend to pull a > lot of stuff in. > Closing my original question, I followed Alan's advice, fiddled the world file, and whilst not exactly "hey presto", a few emerge's, some hand manipulation of a few files and eventually it worked. It's a bit of a jump, I'd become quite used to Dolphin and whilst pcmanfm likes to think of itself as a dolphin replacement, it's a long long way from being so. There is no autohide of the task bar, no slideshow wallpaper option, I still can't work out automounting of usb's and plenty more to keep you on your toes. So thanks for all of your suggestions. Andrew
Re: [gentoo-user] Using KDE apps in a non KDE environment
On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:30 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 02/10/2015 05:31, Andrew Lowe wrote: >> Hi all, >> I'm getting disillusioned with the direction KDE is taking, with >> respect to forcing users to use things they don't want to. The semantic >> desktop, or whatever they are now calling bits and pieces of it, is one >> thing that comes immediately to mind. >> >> Anyway, I've decided to move on and am thinking of going to lxqt. The >> problem is that I'm used to several KDE apps, kwooty, kwrite and a few >> more. Is it possible to run something such as lxqt and then emerge in >> kde apps where it will bring in just a few kde libraries, which I can >> live with, but not the whole desktop environment? > > Yes. Remove all of KDE then emerge back in the apps you want, they have > deps on the libs they need. Whatever they pull in is required. It is easier than that. Edit your /var/lib/portage/world Remove anything kde-related you're not explicitly interested in, such as kde-meta Add anything you are explicitly interested in, such as kwooty or kwrite Add kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta Then run emerge --depclean and watch all the other stuff go away. No need to purge yourself of stuff like kdelibs that takes a long time to rebuild just to add it back. Let the dependency manager help you out for a change. :) I'm not even certain you need to explicitly add kdebase-runtime-meta - other packages might pull that in on their own but I'm not certain of that. Run a --depclean -p first and see what portage wants to get rid of before going that route. Software may-or-may not work correctly without that virtual installed and your bugs will be closed as invalid. That virtual is intended to be a somewhat-minimalist one for situations like yours, but kde applications still will tend to pull a lot of stuff in. -- Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] Using KDE apps in a non KDE environment
On Friday 02 Oct 2015 08:06:50 Philip Webb wrote: > 151002 Andrew Lowe wrote: > > I'm getting disillusioned with the direction KDE is taking > > with respect to forcing users to use things they don't want to. > > The semantic desktop or whatever they are now calling bits and pieces of > > it, is one thing that comes immediately to mind. > > I took 1 look at the KDE 4 desktop & started using Fluxbox straightaway. > > > Anyway, I've decided to move on and am thinking of going to lxqt. > > You might like Fluxbox, which is easy to configure to taste. > I had a look at Xfce 12 yesterday & was much impressed : another option. > > > I'm used to several KDE apps, kwooty, kwrite and a few more. > > Is it possible to run something such as lxqt and then emerge > > kde apps where it will bring in just a few kde libraries, > > which I can live with, but not the whole desktop environment ? > > I've been doing it for years (smile). > I use 'startx' & in .xinitrc I have : > > xscreensaver & > kdeinit & > startfluxbox > > This speeds things up. I even manage to go on using 3 KDE 3 games. > > The power of Gentoo ! Or give enlightenment-0.19.10 a spin. It works nicely with KDE apps without pulling in thunar and a tonne of gnome libs you never wanted. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Using KDE apps in a non KDE environment
151002 Andrew Lowe wrote: > I'm getting disillusioned with the direction KDE is taking > with respect to forcing users to use things they don't want to. > The semantic desktop or whatever they are now calling bits and pieces of it, > is one thing that comes immediately to mind. I took 1 look at the KDE 4 desktop & started using Fluxbox straightaway. > Anyway, I've decided to move on and am thinking of going to lxqt. You might like Fluxbox, which is easy to configure to taste. I had a look at Xfce 12 yesterday & was much impressed : another option. > I'm used to several KDE apps, kwooty, kwrite and a few more. > Is it possible to run something such as lxqt and then emerge > kde apps where it will bring in just a few kde libraries, > which I can live with, but not the whole desktop environment ? I've been doing it for years (smile). I use 'startx' & in .xinitrc I have : xscreensaver & kdeinit & startfluxbox This speeds things up. I even manage to go on using 3 KDE 3 games. The power of Gentoo ! -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Using KDE apps in a non KDE environment
On 02/10/2015 05:31, Andrew Lowe wrote: > Hi all, > I'm getting disillusioned with the direction KDE is taking, with > respect to forcing users to use things they don't want to. The semantic > desktop, or whatever they are now calling bits and pieces of it, is one > thing that comes immediately to mind. > > Anyway, I've decided to move on and am thinking of going to lxqt. The > problem is that I'm used to several KDE apps, kwooty, kwrite and a few > more. Is it possible to run something such as lxqt and then emerge in > kde apps where it will bring in just a few kde libraries, which I can > live with, but not the whole desktop environment? Yes. Remove all of KDE then emerge back in the apps you want, they have deps on the libs they need. Whatever they pull in is required. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
[gentoo-user] Using KDE apps in a non KDE environment
Hi all, I'm getting disillusioned with the direction KDE is taking, with respect to forcing users to use things they don't want to. The semantic desktop, or whatever they are now calling bits and pieces of it, is one thing that comes immediately to mind. Anyway, I've decided to move on and am thinking of going to lxqt. The problem is that I'm used to several KDE apps, kwooty, kwrite and a few more. Is it possible to run something such as lxqt and then emerge in kde apps where it will bring in just a few kde libraries, which I can live with, but not the whole desktop environment? Thoughts greatly appreciated, Andrew