Re: [gentoo-user] What's with all the config file updates???
Walter Dnes wrote: m450 root # man rc.conf No manual entry for rc.conf I'm willing to RTFM, now all I have to do is FTFM (*FIND* TFM). Is there a description somewhere that I can read? I don't want to dump *ALL* my old rc.conf settings before I know what they're being replaced with. I've put in some work to set up my system the way *I* want it set up, and I don't want to have everthing go back to old defaults again. Well, rebooting will generate messages about most of the things that moved to the console. The remaining can be found by grep setting_name_from_rc.conf /etc/conf.d/*. The setting names and functions are still the same, it is just that the conf file name now matches the script in /etc/init.d/ that uses it. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] What's with all the config file updates???
On Sat, June 18, 2005 6:17 am, Walter Dnes said: I'm willing to RTFM, now all I have to do is FTFM (*FIND* TFM). Is there a description somewhere that I can read? I don't want to dump *ALL* my old rc.conf settings before I know what they're being replaced with. I've put in some work to set up my system the way *I* want it set up, and I don't want to have everthing go back to old defaults again. Why not backup rc.conf before running etc-update? Or use dispatch-conf instead, which does it for you. It wold be nice if the ebuild grepped the moved settings from rc.conf into the new files. -- Neil Bothwick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] What's with all the config file updates???
I don't know about there being a manual but one way is to have etc-update show you the differences - that shows what's being taken out and what's added. Second look through the files in /etc/conf.d of which there are many new ones. In etc-update you can do an interactive merge which lets you choose whether you want the new or old stuff. I did that and didn't loose anything. Although etc-update seems like a kludge it's still one of the better ways to handle updating and not - as in some distros - a) blow away all the users changes for the new or b) don't add any of the changes some of which may be desired. The etc-update seems to make the best of something that's tough to do - automate as much as possible updates to user changed config files. It's better than manual editing and copy and paste. On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, Walter Dnes wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 10:10:10PM -0400, Brett I. Holcomb wrote It was a baselayout change. If you'd checked all the changes you would have seen much of the stuff has moved to /etc/conf.d files. For example, rc.conf is stripped down but the items that were there are now in files in /etc/conf.d. m450 root # man rc.conf No manual entry for rc.conf I'm willing to RTFM, now all I have to do is FTFM (*FIND* TFM). Is there a description somewhere that I can read? I don't want to dump *ALL* my old rc.conf settings before I know what they're being replaced with. I've put in some work to set up my system the way *I* want it set up, and I don't want to have everthing go back to old defaults again. -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] What's with all the config file updates???
On Sat, 2005-06-18 at 13:18 -0400, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: I don't know about there being a manual but one way is to have etc-update show you the differences - that shows what's being taken out and what's added. That and full backups. A good idea, folks. Can save a lot of trouble. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] What's with all the config file updates???
[digest-mode reply] ON Sat, 18 Jun 2005 13:26:37 -0400 fire-eyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2005-06-18 at 13:18 -0400, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: I don't know about there being a manual but one way is to have etc-update show you the differences - that shows what's being taken out and what's added. That and full backups. A good idea, folks. Can save a lot of trouble. - fire-eyes, Yes! I have three drives, 120, 80, 120. I use swappable bays (~$10 US each) on the front of the computer. USB would be fine for #3, maybe even #2 or all. The last drive is a backup drive; room for 1 copy everything plus 2 copies of my largest partition but 1. WhinedoZZZe has a lotta parts: poor tools means need good organization. For Linux, I use a simplified: BootMagic in MBR (may replace w/grub), hda3 (inside 8GB 1024Cyl) = /boot, hda14 = 2G swap, hda15 = 37+G /, hdb4 (after 8G-limited extended for DOS) = 70+G, to mount as /70g (call it 'work'...). Basically, I keep all data on hdb4. Certainly all massive /or crucial stuff gets copied there D*** quickly. Before *ANY* OS changes, or almost any installs in WhinedoZZZe, I back the affected part to hdd5, JIC it becomes aflicted. (~114 Actual Gig; hdd1 is tiny, hidden, F16 (bootable JIC hda hdb get wonked) primary; that's all, folks!) Bottom line: have 1-or-more DATA parts, best on another hd, keep/copy all -data- there, 8G, 1024Cyl /boot will boot *anywhere*, and back-up affected before lest aflicted by. Full and incremental! rgh. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] What's with all the config file updates???
That and full backups. A good idea, folks. Can save a lot of trouble. I personally would even prefer a different naming scheme. If the files would been named something like $name$date it would be much more easy to catch all config files by doing a ls -l [$name]* Just my two cents. Best regards ce -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] What's with all the config file updates???
I just ran emerge sync and emerge --ask --deep --update --world on my main machine and on my hot backup machine. There seemed to be a few more items than usual, even though I do update every week or so. After the update, I saw a message about approximately 40 config files needing updates... OUCH. Given what I've seen so far in the first 3 or 4, I'm tempted to throw out the rest, sight unseen. rc.conf is totally stripped down, and probably defaults galore. Is UTC (rather than local) the default? I don't want it. I've also set 10-pixel high fonts on 640x480 text consoles (VGA=6) to give a crisp 84x48 display that's much nicer than VGA 80x50 with crummy 8-pixel-high fonts. The default is 16 pixels, giving 80x30 on a 19 CRT, wasting screen space. I've also set inittab to give me 10 text consoles, with X showing up on tty11 and log messages on tty12. I don't want to drop back to the default 6 consoles. I am grateful that my current configs weren't overwritten, but I would still like to know what hit me. -- Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] What's with all the config file updates???
It was a baselayout change. If you'd checked all the changes you would have seen much of the stuff has moved to /etc/conf.d files. For example, rc.conf is stripped down but the items that were there are now in files in /etc/conf.d. On Fri, 17 Jun 2005, Walter Dnes wrote: I just ran emerge sync and emerge --ask --deep --update --world on my main machine and on my hot backup machine. There seemed to be a few more items than usual, even though I do update every week or so. After the update, I saw a message about approximately 40 config files needing updates... OUCH. Given what I've seen so far in the first 3 or 4, I'm tempted to throw out the rest, sight unseen. rc.conf is totally stripped down, and probably defaults galore. Is UTC (rather than local) the default? I don't want it. I've also set 10-pixel high fonts on 640x480 text consoles (VGA=6) to give a crisp 84x48 display that's much nicer than VGA 80x50 with crummy 8-pixel-high fonts. The default is 16 pixels, giving 80x30 on a 19 CRT, wasting screen space. I've also set inittab to give me 10 text consoles, with X showing up on tty11 and log messages on tty12. I don't want to drop back to the default 6 consoles. I am grateful that my current configs weren't overwritten, but I would still like to know what hit me. -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] What's with all the config file updates???
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 10:10:10PM -0400, Brett I. Holcomb wrote It was a baselayout change. If you'd checked all the changes you would have seen much of the stuff has moved to /etc/conf.d files. For example, rc.conf is stripped down but the items that were there are now in files in /etc/conf.d. m450 root # man rc.conf No manual entry for rc.conf I'm willing to RTFM, now all I have to do is FTFM (*FIND* TFM). Is there a description somewhere that I can read? I don't want to dump *ALL* my old rc.conf settings before I know what they're being replaced with. I've put in some work to set up my system the way *I* want it set up, and I don't want to have everthing go back to old defaults again. -- Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
