Re: [gentoo-user] XFCE automounting pendrive
Thank you Fernando for the info. I followed your instructions and now my pen gets mounted. :)) Now, I have another question, when I plug the pendrive does not XFCE should make an icon on my desktop? Thanks On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 09:55:15PM -0300, Fernando Antunes wrote: On 10/5/07, Fernando Antunes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alfredo, I´ve in my home PC automount for pendrive with XFCE and I didn´t use ivman. Tonight, when I go home, I´ll post another message explaining how I did that, including the complete emerge sequence e use flags. Hi Alfredo, this was my emerge for xfce4 : [ebuild N] xfce-base/libxfce4util-4.4.1 USE=doc -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/startup-notification-0.8 0 kB [ebuild NS ] sys-devel/automake-1.9.6-r2 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/gtkglarea-1.99.0 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild NS ] sys-devel/automake-1.8.5-r3 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-python/pyopengl-2.0.0.44 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-python/numeric-23.7 0 kB [ebuild N] gnome-base/libglade-2.6.0 USE=doc -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-python/pycairo-1.4.0 USE=-examples 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-libs/libcroco-0.6.1 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild NS ] app-text/docbook-sgml-dtd-4.2-r2 0 kB [ebuild N] sys-fs/device-mapper-1.02.19 USE=(-selinux) 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-lang/swig-1.3.31 USE=doc perl python -guile -java -lua -mono -ocaml -php -pike -ruby -tcl -tk 0 kB [ebuild N] media-libs/gd-2.0.35 USE=jpeg truetype -fontconfig -png -xpm 0 kB [ebuild N] media-libs/tiff-3.8.2-r2 USE=jpeg zlib -jbig -nocxx 0 kB [ebuild NS ] sys-devel/automake-1.6.3 0 kB [ebuild N] media-fonts/gnu-gs-fonts-std-8.11 0 kB [ebuild N] sys-apps/eject-2.1.5-r1 USE=nls 0 kB [ebuild N] sys-apps/dmidecode-2.9 0 kB [ebuild N] virtual/perl-MIME-Base64-3.07 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-libs/libIDL-0.8.7 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] app-text/iso-codes-0.58 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-util/desktop-file-utils-0.12 0 kB [ebuild N] app-admin/gamin-0.1.8 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-themes/gtk-engines-xfce-2.4.1-r1 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-extra/xfce4-dev-tools-4.4.0 0 kB [ebuild N] media-sound/alsa-headers-1.0.14_rc2 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-themes/hicolor-icon-theme-0.10 0 kB [ebuild N] app-text/recode-3.6-r2 USE=nls 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/libxfcegui4-4.4.1 USE=doc startup-notification -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/libxfce4mcs-4.4.1 USE=doc startup-notification -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-libs/libusb-0.1.12 USE=doc -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] app-text/ghostscript-gpl-8.54 USE=X gtk -cjk -cups -djvu -jpeg2k 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-python/pygobject-2.12.3 USE=doc -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] sys-fs/cryptsetup-luks-1.0.4-r3 USE=nls -build -dynamic (-selinux) 0 kB [ebuild N] media-gfx/graphviz-2.12 USE=X doc gtk nls perl python -examples -gnome -pango -ruby -tcl -tk 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-perl/URI-1.35 0 kB [ebuild N] gnome-base/orbit-2.14.7 USE=doc -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libsexy-0.1.10 USE=doc -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libwnck-2.16.3 USE=doc -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-extra/xfce4-icon-theme-4.4.1 0 kB [ebuild N] games-misc/fortune-mod-1.99.1-r2 USE=-offensive 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/xfce-mcs-manager-4.4.1 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-python/pygtk-2.10.4 USE=doc opengl -examples 0 kB [ebuild N] sys-apps/usbutils-0.71-r1 0 kB [ebuild N] virtual/ghostscript-0 0 kB [ebuild N] gnome-base/gconf-2.14.0 USE=doc -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-extra/xfce4-appfinder-4.4.1 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-extra/mousepad-0.2.12 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] app-doc/doxygen-1.5.2 USE=doc -qt3 -tetex 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/xfwm4-4.4.1 USE=startup-notification -debug -xcomposite 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/xfce-mcs-plugins-4.4.1-r1 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] gnome-extra/libgsf-1.14.3 USE=doc python -bzip2 -debug -gnome 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/vte-0.14.2 USE=doc opengl python -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] gnome-base/librsvg-2.16.1-r1 USE=doc zlib -debug -gnome 0 kB [ebuild N] sys-apps/dbus-1.0.2-r2 USE=X doc -debug (-selinux) 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-extra/xfwm4-themes-4.4.1 0 kB [ebuild N] media-libs/alsa-lib-1.0.14_rc2 USE=doc -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-libs/dbus-glib-0.73 USE=doc -debug (-selinux) 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/xfce4-panel-4.4.1 USE=doc startup-notification -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/xfce-utils-4.4.1-r1 USE=dbus -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-misc/notification-daemon-0.3.7 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/orage-4.4.1 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-extra/xfce4-mixer-4.4.1 USE=alsa -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libnotify-0.4.4 USE=doc 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/xfce4-session-4.4.1 USE=dbus -debug -gnome 0 kB [ebuild N] sys-apps/hal-0.5.9-r1 USE=crypt doc -acpi
Re: [gentoo-user] XFCE automounting pendrive
On 10/8/07, Alfredo Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, I have another question, when I plug the pendrive does not XFCE should make an icon on my desktop? Desktop settings Behaviour Desktop Icons Choose File/launcher icons -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] XFCE automounting pendrive
On 10/8/07, Alfredo Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Fernando for the info. I followed your instructions and now my pen gets mounted. :)) Now, I have another question, when I plug the pendrive does not XFCE should make an icon on my desktop? Thanks Sorry, I don´t know how to do this neither a popup message when I plug it. On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 09:55:15PM -0300, Fernando Antunes wrote: On 10/5/07, Fernando Antunes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alfredo, I´ve in my home PC automount for pendrive with XFCE and I didn´t use ivman. Tonight, when I go home, I´ll post another message explaining how I did that, including the complete emerge sequence e use flags. Hi Alfredo, this was my emerge for xfce4 : [ebuild N] xfce-base/libxfce4util-4.4.1 USE=doc -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/startup-notification-0.8 0 kB [ebuild NS ] sys-devel/automake-1.9.6-r2 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/gtkglarea-1.99.0 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild NS ] sys-devel/automake-1.8.5-r3 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-python/pyopengl-2.0.0.44 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-python/numeric-23.7 0 kB [ebuild N] gnome-base/libglade-2.6.0 USE=doc -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-python/pycairo-1.4.0 USE=-examples 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-libs/libcroco-0.6.1 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild NS ] app-text/docbook-sgml-dtd-4.2-r2 0 kB [ebuild N] sys-fs/device-mapper-1.02.19 USE=(-selinux) 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-lang/swig-1.3.31 USE=doc perl python -guile -java -lua -mono -ocaml -php -pike -ruby -tcl -tk 0 kB [ebuild N] media-libs/gd-2.0.35 USE=jpeg truetype -fontconfig -png -xpm 0 kB [ebuild N] media-libs/tiff-3.8.2-r2 USE=jpeg zlib -jbig -nocxx 0 kB [ebuild NS ] sys-devel/automake-1.6.3 0 kB [ebuild N] media-fonts/gnu-gs-fonts-std-8.11 0 kB [ebuild N] sys-apps/eject-2.1.5-r1 USE=nls 0 kB [ebuild N] sys-apps/dmidecode-2.9 0 kB [ebuild N] virtual/perl-MIME-Base64-3.07 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-libs/libIDL-0.8.7 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] app-text/iso-codes-0.58 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-util/desktop-file-utils-0.12 0 kB [ebuild N] app-admin/gamin-0.1.8 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-themes/gtk-engines-xfce-2.4.1-r1 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-extra/xfce4-dev-tools-4.4.0 0 kB [ebuild N] media-sound/alsa-headers-1.0.14_rc2 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-themes/hicolor-icon-theme-0.10 0 kB [ebuild N] app-text/recode-3.6-r2 USE=nls 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/libxfcegui4-4.4.1 USE=doc startup-notification -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/libxfce4mcs-4.4.1 USE=doc startup-notification -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-libs/libusb-0.1.12 USE=doc -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] app-text/ghostscript-gpl-8.54 USE=X gtk -cjk -cups -djvu -jpeg2k 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-python/pygobject-2.12.3 USE=doc -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] sys-fs/cryptsetup-luks-1.0.4-r3 USE=nls -build -dynamic (-selinux) 0 kB [ebuild N] media-gfx/graphviz-2.12 USE=X doc gtk nls perl python -examples -gnome -pango -ruby -tcl -tk 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-perl/URI-1.35 0 kB [ebuild N] gnome-base/orbit-2.14.7 USE=doc -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libsexy-0.1.10 USE=doc -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libwnck-2.16.3 USE=doc -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-extra/xfce4-icon-theme-4.4.1 0 kB [ebuild N] games-misc/fortune-mod-1.99.1-r2 USE=-offensive 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/xfce-mcs-manager-4.4.1 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-python/pygtk-2.10.4 USE=doc opengl -examples 0 kB [ebuild N] sys-apps/usbutils-0.71-r1 0 kB [ebuild N] virtual/ghostscript-0 0 kB [ebuild N] gnome-base/gconf-2.14.0 USE=doc -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-extra/xfce4-appfinder-4.4.1 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-extra/mousepad-0.2.12 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] app-doc/doxygen-1.5.2 USE=doc -qt3 -tetex 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/xfwm4-4.4.1 USE=startup-notification -debug -xcomposite 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/xfce-mcs-plugins-4.4.1-r1 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] gnome-extra/libgsf-1.14.3 USE=doc python -bzip2 -debug -gnome 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/vte-0.14.2 USE=doc opengl python -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] gnome-base/librsvg-2.16.1-r1 USE=doc zlib -debug -gnome 0 kB [ebuild N] sys-apps/dbus-1.0.2-r2 USE=X doc -debug (-selinux) 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-extra/xfwm4-themes-4.4.1 0 kB [ebuild N] media-libs/alsa-lib-1.0.14_rc2 USE=doc -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-libs/dbus-glib-0.73 USE=doc -debug (-selinux) 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/xfce4-panel-4.4.1 USE=doc startup-notification -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/xfce-utils-4.4.1-r1 USE=dbus -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-misc/notification-daemon-0.3.7 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/orage-4.4.1 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N]
Re: [gentoo-user] XFCE automounting pendrive
Thank you Liviu Liviu Andronic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/8/07, Alfredo Perez wrote: Now, I have another question, when I plug the pendrive does not XFCE should make an icon on my desktop? Desktop settings Behaviour Desktop Icons Choose File/launcher icons -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] XFCE automounting pendrive
Alfredo, I´ve in my home PC automount for pendrive with XFCE and I didn´t use ivman. Tonight, when I go home, I´ll post another message explaining how I did that, including the complete emerge sequence e use flags. On 10/4/07, Rumen Yotov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:30:30 +0200 Liviu Andronic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/4/07, Alfredo Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I was wondering what I can do to make XFCE to automount my pendrive. Hi, As Neil wrote, you can use 'ivman' w/o fstab entry. Works for me with XFCE,fluxbox. Using dbus, hal, ivman. HTH. Rumen -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] XFCE automounting pendrive
On 10/5/07, Fernando Antunes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alfredo, I´ve in my home PC automount for pendrive with XFCE and I didn´t use ivman. Tonight, when I go home, I´ll post another message explaining how I did that, including the complete emerge sequence e use flags. Hi Alfredo, this was my emerge for xfce4 : [ebuild N] xfce-base/libxfce4util-4.4.1 USE=doc -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/startup-notification-0.8 0 kB [ebuild NS ] sys-devel/automake-1.9.6-r2 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/gtkglarea-1.99.0 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild NS ] sys-devel/automake-1.8.5-r3 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-python/pyopengl-2.0.0.44 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-python/numeric-23.7 0 kB [ebuild N] gnome-base/libglade-2.6.0 USE=doc -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-python/pycairo-1.4.0 USE=-examples 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-libs/libcroco-0.6.1 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild NS ] app-text/docbook-sgml-dtd-4.2-r2 0 kB [ebuild N] sys-fs/device-mapper-1.02.19 USE=(-selinux) 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-lang/swig-1.3.31 USE=doc perl python -guile -java -lua -mono -ocaml -php -pike -ruby -tcl -tk 0 kB [ebuild N] media-libs/gd-2.0.35 USE=jpeg truetype -fontconfig -png -xpm 0 kB [ebuild N] media-libs/tiff-3.8.2-r2 USE=jpeg zlib -jbig -nocxx 0 kB [ebuild NS ] sys-devel/automake-1.6.3 0 kB [ebuild N] media-fonts/gnu-gs-fonts-std-8.11 0 kB [ebuild N] sys-apps/eject-2.1.5-r1 USE=nls 0 kB [ebuild N] sys-apps/dmidecode-2.9 0 kB [ebuild N] virtual/perl-MIME-Base64-3.07 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-libs/libIDL-0.8.7 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] app-text/iso-codes-0.58 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-util/desktop-file-utils-0.12 0 kB [ebuild N] app-admin/gamin-0.1.8 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-themes/gtk-engines-xfce-2.4.1-r1 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-extra/xfce4-dev-tools-4.4.0 0 kB [ebuild N] media-sound/alsa-headers-1.0.14_rc2 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-themes/hicolor-icon-theme-0.10 0 kB [ebuild N] app-text/recode-3.6-r2 USE=nls 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/libxfcegui4-4.4.1 USE=doc startup-notification -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/libxfce4mcs-4.4.1 USE=doc startup-notification -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-libs/libusb-0.1.12 USE=doc -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] app-text/ghostscript-gpl-8.54 USE=X gtk -cjk -cups -djvu -jpeg2k 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-python/pygobject-2.12.3 USE=doc -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] sys-fs/cryptsetup-luks-1.0.4-r3 USE=nls -build -dynamic (-selinux) 0 kB [ebuild N] media-gfx/graphviz-2.12 USE=X doc gtk nls perl python -examples -gnome -pango -ruby -tcl -tk 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-perl/URI-1.35 0 kB [ebuild N] gnome-base/orbit-2.14.7 USE=doc -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libsexy-0.1.10 USE=doc -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libwnck-2.16.3 USE=doc -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-extra/xfce4-icon-theme-4.4.1 0 kB [ebuild N] games-misc/fortune-mod-1.99.1-r2 USE=-offensive 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/xfce-mcs-manager-4.4.1 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-python/pygtk-2.10.4 USE=doc opengl -examples 0 kB [ebuild N] sys-apps/usbutils-0.71-r1 0 kB [ebuild N] virtual/ghostscript-0 0 kB [ebuild N] gnome-base/gconf-2.14.0 USE=doc -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-extra/xfce4-appfinder-4.4.1 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-extra/mousepad-0.2.12 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] app-doc/doxygen-1.5.2 USE=doc -qt3 -tetex 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/xfwm4-4.4.1 USE=startup-notification -debug -xcomposite 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/xfce-mcs-plugins-4.4.1-r1 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] gnome-extra/libgsf-1.14.3 USE=doc python -bzip2 -debug -gnome 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/vte-0.14.2 USE=doc opengl python -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] gnome-base/librsvg-2.16.1-r1 USE=doc zlib -debug -gnome 0 kB [ebuild N] sys-apps/dbus-1.0.2-r2 USE=X doc -debug (-selinux) 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-extra/xfwm4-themes-4.4.1 0 kB [ebuild N] media-libs/alsa-lib-1.0.14_rc2 USE=doc -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-libs/dbus-glib-0.73 USE=doc -debug (-selinux) 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/xfce4-panel-4.4.1 USE=doc startup-notification -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/xfce-utils-4.4.1-r1 USE=dbus -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-misc/notification-daemon-0.3.7 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/orage-4.4.1 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-extra/xfce4-mixer-4.4.1 USE=alsa -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libnotify-0.4.4 USE=doc 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/xfce4-session-4.4.1 USE=dbus -debug -gnome 0 kB [ebuild N] sys-apps/hal-0.5.9-r1 USE=crypt doc -acpi -debug -dell -disk-partition -pcmcia (-selinux) 0 kB [ebuild N] app-misc/hal-info-20070425 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-extra/exo-0.3.2 USE=doc hal libnotify python -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/thunar-0.8.0-r3 USE=X dbus doc hal pcre startup-notification -debug -exif -gnome -plugins 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-extra/terminal-0.2.6_p25931 USE=dbus doc
Re: [gentoo-user] XFCE automounting pendrive
Hi, On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 21:55:15 -0300 Fernando Antunes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/5/07, Fernando Antunes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alfredo, I´ve in my home PC automount for pendrive with XFCE and I didn´t use ivman. Tonight, when I go home, I´ll post another message explaining how I did that, including the complete emerge sequence e use flags. Hi Alfredo, this was my emerge for xfce4 : ...SKIP... Just to add something i forgot. ivman allows to automount even from a X-less console. ...SKIP... And don't forget to emerge thunar-volman e configure his properties in the thunar - edit - preference - advanced - volume manager. Notice libnotify use flag in the exo package. This make my system pop-up message windows when a remove my pen-drive safetly. HTH. Rumen -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] XFCE automounting pendrive
Hi I was wondering what I can do to make XFCE to automount my pendrive. I followed this wiki http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ivman to the last word but still I can't have the my pendrive mounted. I put an entry in /etc/fstab /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat defaults 0 0 and the pendrive gets mounted but as root which does not allow me to delete or create files on the pen because I dont have permission. Any more ideas? Thanks
Re: [gentoo-user] XFCE automounting pendrive
On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 05:32:47 -0400 (EDT), Alfredo Perez wrote: I was wondering what I can do to make XFCE to automount my pendrive. I followed this wiki http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ivman to the last word but still I can't have the my pendrive mounted. I don't think you did... I put an entry in /etc/fstab Because it states Ivman 0.6.x or greater uses pmount to mount your drives, and thus does NOT need any fstab entries. However, fstab entries may still be used if necessary, though you are suggested to avoid them when possible. HAL/D-Bus automounters like ivman and KDE's built in system use pmount, which works best without an fstab entry. If there is an entry in fstab, it overrides the pmout defaults. In this case, it causes it to be mounted as root rather than the user running ivman. -- Neil Bothwick Brain fried -- core dumped. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] XFCE automounting pendrive
Hello, I was also playing with ivman for a long time till accidentally I stumbled upon this: http://foo-projects.org/~benny/projects/thunar-volman/index.html. Here's the minimalistic Wikipedia entry (copy and paste) that I've made: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_thunar-volman. This is a light-weight GUI solution perfectly integrated to Xfce and made by Benedikt Meurer. After installing it and enabled it in Preferences/Advanced, I removed ivman. Think this should be of help. Regards, Liviu On 10/4/07, Alfredo Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I was wondering what I can do to make XFCE to automount my pendrive. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
