Re: [gentoo-user] XServer hal useflag
Am 26.06.2010 20:32, schrieb Albert Hopkins: On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 20:24 +0200, Florian Philipp wrote: [..] I'm a bit confused about the meaning of the hal useflag on the x11-base/xorg-server ebuilds nowadays. When I deactivate it, hot-plugin a mouse does not work and special keys on the keyboard are not detected. When I enable it, everything works but several driver packages (evdev and mouse, probably others) want me to deactivate it. [...] So many softwares that used hal before are or have migrated to something else, such as udev. Xorg has also chosen to do this, and so the newer Xorg servers can use udev instead of hal. There is a udev flag for xorg-server. You can/should use this instead of hal. [...] Thanks for the update! Unfortunately, the first X-Server version with a udev useflag hasn't been stabilized on AMD64, yet. I keyworded it and it worked ... somewhat. I now have other problems but since these are unrelated to hal vs. udev, I open another thread for it. Thanks, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] XServer hal useflag
Hi list! I'm a bit confused about the meaning of the hal useflag on the x11-base/xorg-server ebuilds nowadays. When I deactivate it, hot-plugin a mouse does not work and special keys on the keyboard are not detected. When I enable it, everything works but several driver packages (evdev and mouse, probably others) want me to deactivate it. Does this have anything to do with me still using /etc/X11/xorg.conf and not auto configuration? Or maybe the update to Gnome-2.28? Or the general deprecation of hal? In short: Did I miss any update advice or do I have to fiddle around with the settings and useflags until something usable is found, like usual? Thanks in advance! Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] XServer hal useflag
On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 20:24 +0200, Florian Philipp wrote: Hi list! I'm a bit confused about the meaning of the hal useflag on the x11-base/xorg-server ebuilds nowadays. When I deactivate it, hot-plugin a mouse does not work and special keys on the keyboard are not detected. When I enable it, everything works but several driver packages (evdev and mouse, probably others) want me to deactivate it. Does this have anything to do with me still using /etc/X11/xorg.conf and not auto configuration? Or maybe the update to Gnome-2.28? Or the general deprecation of hal? In short: Did I miss any update advice or do I have to fiddle around with the settings and useflags until something usable is found, like usual? Originally Xorg required you to pretty much specify all your devices and configuration in your xorg.conf file. Then the option came to use hal to help with identifying, hot-plugging, and auto-configuring devices. Well in general hal has fallen out of favor for reasons beyond the scope of this discussion. So many softwares that used hal before are or have migrated to something else, such as udev. Xorg has also chosen to do this, and so the newer Xorg servers can use udev instead of hal. There is a udev flag for xorg-server. You can/should use this instead of hal. Using neither hal nor udev gives you the legacy mode where everything is (must be) configured via configuration file. -a
Re: [gentoo-user] XServer hal useflag
Am 26.06.2010 20:32, schrieb Albert Hopkins: Originally Xorg required you to pretty much specify all your devices and configuration in your xorg.conf file. Then the option came to use hal to help with identifying, hot-plugging, and auto-configuring devices. Well in general hal has fallen out of favor for reasons beyond the scope of this discussion. So many softwares that used hal before are or have migrated to something else, such as udev. Xorg has also chosen to do this, and so the newer Xorg servers can use udev instead of hal. There is a udev flag for xorg-server. You can/should use this instead of hal. Using neither hal nor udev gives you the legacy mode where everything is (must be) configured via configuration file. Is it time already to set -hal in make.conf and get rid of hal? I run xorg-server without hal for quite a while now, but there are other packages as well using that flag. Hints? I could simply try, yes ;-) S
Re: [gentoo-user] XServer hal useflag
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 08:54:07PM +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote Is it time already to set -hal in make.conf and get rid of hal? Even better, put it in /etc/portage/package.mask. Here's mine... sys-apps/dbus sys-apps/hal sys-libs/pam I could simply try, yes ;-) Try it, you'll like it. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
Re: [gentoo-user] XServer hal useflag
On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 20:54 +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Is it time already to set -hal in make.conf and get rid of hal? I have some packages that still need hal.. or at least to use them the way I use them they still need hal. I don't have hal as a global use flag, but have it for individual packages in /etc/portage/package.use. This is entirely user preference (I can't tell you if you need hal or not). -a
Re: [gentoo-user] XServer hal useflag
Am 26.06.2010 22:38, schrieb waltd...@waltdnes.org: Even better, put it in /etc/portage/package.mask. Here's mine... sys-apps/dbus sys-apps/hal sys-libs/pam I could simply try, yes ;-) Try it, you'll like it. Why? ;-) I am not as bold to do what you suggested. Added -hal to my make.conf ... and recompiled stuff on two boxes. Looks OK so far ... this leads to removing hald, yes. Removing dbus looks a bit scarier to me, more packages USE it. I will see ... ;-) Thanks, Stefan
Re: [gentoo-user] XServer hal useflag
Am 26.06.2010 22:56, schrieb Albert Hopkins: On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 20:54 +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Is it time already to set -hal in make.conf and get rid of hal? I have some packages that still need hal.. or at least to use them the way I use them they still need hal. I don't have hal as a global use flag, but have it for individual packages in /etc/portage/package.use. This is entirely user preference (I can't tell you if you need hal or not). Sure ... I have to add that I am using GNOME here which might lead to some thoughts about hotplugging stuff like usb-sticks etc. What else? # equery h hal * Searching for USE flag hal ... [IP-] [ ] app-emulation/wine-1.1.42:0 [IP-] [ ] gnome-base/gnome-applets-2.30.0:2 [IP-] [ ] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.24.3-r1:2 [IP-] [ ] gnome-base/gvfs-1.6.2:0 [IP-] [ ] media-sound/pulseaudio-0.9.21.2-r1:0 [IP-] [ ] media-sound/qmmp-0.4.1:0 [IP-] [ ] sys-fs/ntfs3g-2010.5.16:0 [IP-] [ ] x11-base/xorg-server-1.8.1.901:0 pulseaudio, works ok so far. qmmp, OK. xorg-server, yep, for quite a while. Can't really say much about the gnome-stuff and wine ... For now hald is OFF here and packages recompiled with -hal. Stefan
