Re: [gentoo-user] Daylight savings time
On 08 November 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 02:35:06AM -0500, Philip Webb wrote: > > 071108 James wrote: > > > In my /etc/conf.d/clock file I have these relevant settings: > > > CLOCK="local" > > > > That sb "utc". > > I have heard that Windows expects the hardware clock to be in local > time, including daylight savings adjustments. Presumably Windows > maintains it that way. True. So you should go with "local" if the box is a dual boot one. Uwe -- If a man speaks in a forest, and no woman listens to him, is he still lying? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Daylight savings time
On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 02:35:06AM -0500, Philip Webb wrote: > 071108 James wrote: > > In my /etc/conf.d/clock file I have these relevant settings: > > CLOCK="local" > > That sb "utc". I have heard that Windows expects the hardware clock to be in local time, including daylight savings adjustments. Presumably Windows maintains it that way. -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman & rocket surgeon / [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license #4933 I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of room o -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Daylight savings time
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007, James wrote: > In my /etc/conf.d/clock file I have these relevant settings: > CLOCK="local" > TIMEZONE="America/New_York" > CLOCK_SYSTOHC="yes" > > it's a dual boot (XP & gentoo) workstation. > > I had to set the time manually to adjust for the 1 hour shift. I guess you mean that in this timezone there was recently a shift due to daylight saving time? > Shouldn't this be automatic? This question was recently discussed in the German forums. Here is a summary: Since you have CLOCK="local" this can only be automatic if your computer was running during the shift - when you start your computer after the shift, Linux will consider the hardware clock as the correct (already shifted) time information. If the shift happened with your setting although your computer was not running, another program (typically: windows) has done the shifting. Only if you run CLOCK=UTC the shift is guaranteed to work in any case (of course, unless another program like windows interferes). BTW: In case you use FAT, you might also want to consider the solution proposed in http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-579915.html (which will make your hardwareclock also run with a constant offset to utc i.e. the shift will also work reliable, but windows will display the wrong time half of the year. However, the advantage is that filestamps on FAT partitions will never change.) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Daylight savings time
071108 James wrote: > In my /etc/conf.d/clock file I have these relevant settings: > CLOCK="local" That sb "utc". > TIMEZONE="America/New_York" > CLOCK_SYSTOHC="yes" > it's a dual boot (XP & gentoo) workstation. However, M$ Windows may insist on changing the time on its own, so you may find it happens twice. > I had to set the time manually to adjust for the 1 hour shift. > Shouldn't this be automatic? What did I miss? HTH -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Daylight savings time
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:16:46 + (UTC) James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > In my /etc/conf.d/clock file I have these relevant settings: > CLOCK="local" > TIMEZONE="America/New_York" > CLOCK_SYSTOHC="yes" > > it's a dual boot (XP & gentoo) workstation. > > I had to set the time manually to adjust for the 1 hour > shift. Shouldn't this be automatic? > > > > > James > > All my gentoos switched over just fine. > What did I miss? I don't know, but I'm surprised to hear about this. I thought we all figured it out last spring. The gentoo clock stuff should have been updated long ago. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Daylight savings time
Hello, In my /etc/conf.d/clock file I have these relevant settings: CLOCK="local" TIMEZONE="America/New_York" CLOCK_SYSTOHC="yes" it's a dual boot (XP & gentoo) workstation. I had to set the time manually to adjust for the 1 hour shift. Shouldn't this be automatic? What did I miss? James -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] daylight savings time
Thanks everyone. I'll report back on the outcome on D-day (March 11). Roger -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] daylight savings time [Slightly OT]
On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 10:12 -0600, Dan Farrell wrote: > se having trouble with the format (^M's) in Ennis' email? > > > nope. maybe it's due to top-posting . no just kidding, but > isn't that indicative of a NL/CR-LF difference between unix and dos? > but that problem hasn't plagued us for so long... IIRC SMTP dictates CRLF. Some broken clients don't adhere to that however. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] daylight savings time [Slightly OT]
On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 10:25:48 -0500 "John J. Foster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Anyone else having trouble with the format (^M's) in Ennis' email? > nope. maybe it's due to top-posting . no just kidding, but isn't that indicative of a NL/CR-LF difference between unix and dos? but that problem hasn't plagued us for so long... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] daylight savings time [Slightly OT]
Sorry, it's my work laptop ... The just of my email follows ... zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007 -Ennis -Original Message- From: John J. Foster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 10:26 AM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] daylight savings time [Slightly OT] Anyone else having trouble with the format (^M's) in Ennis' email? On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 09:29:16AM -0500, McCaffrey, Ennis wrote: > > > -Original Message- > From: Hans-Werner Hilse > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 7:35 AM > To: > gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] daylight > savings time > > Hi, > > On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 08:45:42 -0330 Roger > Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > My home province > (Newfoundland & Labrador) has, in its infinite > > wisdom, decided to > adopt daylight savings time from 11 to 04 November, > > > rather than > the more common dates in April & October. > > > > Can someone tell me > what I need to do to accommodate this change, if > > anything? > > > Hm, set your hardware clock to UTC and do as root: > > rm > /etc/localtime > ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Newfoundland > /etc/localtime > > should work... > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfoundland_Standard_Time_Zone suggests > > that it was changed just recently. Make sure your timezone-data > ebuild > is up to date and installed. In order to get an 2007 version, > you might > need to architecture unmask it. > > > http://www.twinsun.com/tz/tz-link.htm has wealth of information > regarding zoneinfo. > > -hwh > > Running the following command will tell you how your current timezone is > set: > > > > For EST the result should look as follows: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007 > /etc/localtime Sun Mar 11 06:59:59 2007 UTC = Sun Mar 11 01:59:59 2007 > EST isdst=0 > /etc/localtime Sun Mar 11 07:00:00 2007 UTC = Sun Mar 11 03:00:00 2007 > EDT isdst=1 > /etc/localtime Sun Nov 4 05:59:59 2007 UTC = Sun Nov 4 01:59:59 2007 > EDT isdst=1 > /etc/localtime Sun Nov 4 06:00:00 2007 UTC = Sun Nov 4 01:00:00 2007 > EST isdst=0 > > -Ennis > > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > > - > This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner > Cable proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, > or subject to copyright belonging to Time Warner Cable. This E-mail > is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which > it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this > E-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the contents > of and attachments to this E-mail is strictly prohibited and may be > unlawful. If you have received this E-mail in error, please notify > the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any > copy of this E-mail and any printout. > > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] daylight savings time [Slightly OT]
Anyone else having trouble with the format (^M's) in Ennis' email? On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 09:29:16AM -0500, McCaffrey, Ennis wrote: > > > -Original Message- > From: Hans-Werner Hilse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 7:35 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] daylight savings time > > Hi, > > On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 08:45:42 -0330 Roger Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > My home province (Newfoundland & Labrador) has, in its infinite > > wisdom, decided to adopt daylight savings time from 11 to 04 November, > > > rather than the more common dates in April & October. > > > > Can someone tell me what I need to do to accommodate this change, if > > anything? > > Hm, set your hardware clock to UTC and do as root: > > rm /etc/localtime > ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Newfoundland /etc/localtime > > should work... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfoundland_Standard_Time_Zone suggests > that it was changed just recently. Make sure your timezone-data ebuild > is up to date and installed. In order to get an 2007 version, you might > need to architecture unmask it. > > http://www.twinsun.com/tz/tz-link.htm has wealth of information > regarding zoneinfo. > > -hwh > > Running the following command will tell you how your current timezone is > set: > > zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007 > > For EST the result should look as follows: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007 > /etc/localtime Sun Mar 11 06:59:59 2007 UTC = Sun Mar 11 01:59:59 2007 > EST isdst=0 > /etc/localtime Sun Mar 11 07:00:00 2007 UTC = Sun Mar 11 03:00:00 2007 > EDT isdst=1 > /etc/localtime Sun Nov 4 05:59:59 2007 UTC = Sun Nov 4 01:59:59 2007 > EDT isdst=1 > /etc/localtime Sun Nov 4 06:00:00 2007 UTC = Sun Nov 4 01:00:00 2007 > EST isdst=0 > > -Ennis > > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > > - > This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner > Cable proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, > or subject to copyright belonging to Time Warner Cable. This E-mail > is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which > it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this > E-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the contents > of and attachments to this E-mail is strictly prohibited and may be > unlawful. If you have received this E-mail in error, please notify > the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any > copy of this E-mail and any printout. > > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > pgpanrsgcaBBI.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: [gentoo-user] daylight savings time
-Original Message- From: Hans-Werner Hilse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 7:35 AM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] daylight savings time Hi, On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 08:45:42 -0330 Roger Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My home province (Newfoundland & Labrador) has, in its infinite > wisdom, decided to adopt daylight savings time from 11 to 04 November, > rather than the more common dates in April & October. > > Can someone tell me what I need to do to accommodate this change, if > anything? Hm, set your hardware clock to UTC and do as root: rm /etc/localtime ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Newfoundland /etc/localtime should work... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfoundland_Standard_Time_Zone suggests that it was changed just recently. Make sure your timezone-data ebuild is up to date and installed. In order to get an 2007 version, you might need to architecture unmask it. http://www.twinsun.com/tz/tz-link.htm has wealth of information regarding zoneinfo. -hwh Running the following command will tell you how your current timezone is set: zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007 For EST the result should look as follows: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007 /etc/localtime Sun Mar 11 06:59:59 2007 UTC = Sun Mar 11 01:59:59 2007 EST isdst=0 /etc/localtime Sun Mar 11 07:00:00 2007 UTC = Sun Mar 11 03:00:00 2007 EDT isdst=1 /etc/localtime Sun Nov 4 05:59:59 2007 UTC = Sun Nov 4 01:59:59 2007 EDT isdst=1 /etc/localtime Sun Nov 4 06:00:00 2007 UTC = Sun Nov 4 01:00:00 2007 EST isdst=0 -Ennis -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list - This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyright belonging to Time Warner Cable. This E-mail is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this E-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the contents of and attachments to this E-mail is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this E-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copy of this E-mail and any printout. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] daylight savings time
On Friday, 2 March 2007 23:28, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: > On Friday 02 March 2007 13:35:22 Hans-Werner Hilse wrote: > > Hm, set your hardware clock to UTC and do as root: > > > > rm /etc/localtime > > ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Newfoundland /etc/localtime > > > > should work... > > That's not how it's done anymore. Instead you set: > > TIMEZONE="Canada/Newfoundland" > > in /etc/conf.d/clock and: > > # rm /etc/localtime > # cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Newfoundland /etc/localtime > > This has the advantage that it'll work even when /usr isn't mounted. TIMEZONE is used by the timezone-data ebuild, so emerge it and it'll automatically update /etc/localtime, no need to do it manually. -- Raymond Lewis Rebbeck -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] daylight savings time
On Friday 02 March 2007 13:35:22 Hans-Werner Hilse wrote: > Hm, set your hardware clock to UTC and do as root: > > rm /etc/localtime > ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Newfoundland /etc/localtime > > should work... That's not how it's done anymore. Instead you set: TIMEZONE="Canada/Newfoundland" in /etc/conf.d/clock and: # rm /etc/localtime # cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Newfoundland /etc/localtime This has the advantage that it'll work even when /usr isn't mounted. -- Bo Andresen pgpVBPIjjgxmg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] daylight savings time
Hi, On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 08:45:42 -0330 Roger Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My home province (Newfoundland & Labrador) has, in its infinite > wisdom, decided to adopt daylight savings time from 11 to 04 November, > rather than the more common dates in April & October. > > Can someone tell me what I need to do to accommodate this change, if > anything? Hm, set your hardware clock to UTC and do as root: rm /etc/localtime ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Newfoundland /etc/localtime should work... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfoundland_Standard_Time_Zone suggests that it was changed just recently. Make sure your timezone-data ebuild is up to date and installed. In order to get an 2007 version, you might need to architecture unmask it. http://www.twinsun.com/tz/tz-link.htm has wealth of information regarding zoneinfo. -hwh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] daylight savings time
Hello all, My home province (Newfoundland & Labrador) has, in its infinite wisdom, decided to adopt daylight savings time from 11 to 04 November, rather than the more common dates in April & October. Can someone tell me what I need to do to accommodate this change, if anything? Thanks, Roger -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Daylight Savings Time patch ...
On Sat, 2 Dec 2006 12:02:01 -0700, Richard Fish wrote: > I agree. In fact, we should just do away with timezones altogether > and all start using UTC. :-) Let's get rid of those confusing hours and minutes too and use a decimal system like Swatch time http://www.timeanddate.com/time/internettime.html -- Neil Bothwick Does the Little Mermaid wear an algebra? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Daylight Savings Time patch ...
Richard Fish wrote: > On 12/2/06, Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I think a better solution would be to get rid of the DST and be done >> with >> it. What exactly is that for anyway? > > I agree. In fact, we should just do away with timezones altogether > and all start using UTC. :-) Now THAT sounds like a good plan. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Daylight Savings Time patch ...
On 12/2/06, Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think a better solution would be to get rid of the DST and be done with it. What exactly is that for anyway? I agree. In fact, we should just do away with timezones altogether and all start using UTC. :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Daylight Savings Time patch ...
On Saturday 02 December 2006 04:58, Dale wrote: > Statux wrote: > > AFAIK, this should have been addressed with the timezone-data updates. > > The zoneinfo files, et al, are what define how the changes happen for a > > particular timezone. > > > > On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 15:45 -0500, McCaffrey, Ennis wrote: > >> Does Gentoo have a patch for the new Daylight Savings Time standard > >> that has been enacted and will be put in place next spring? > >> > >> Sincerely, > >> > >> Ennis McCaffrey > >> > >> Engineering Product Manager > >> Advanced Technology Group > >> > >> Time Warner Cable > >> 7910 Crescent Executive Drive > >> Charlotte, NC 28217 > >> > >> Tel (704) 731-3914 > >> Fax (704) 731-1188 > >> Cell (704) 877-1621 > >> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> AIM:EnnisMac > > I think a better solution would be to get rid of the DST and be done > with it. What exactly is that for anyway? > > Dale > > :-) :-) :-) Where have you been?? It saves energy... More daylight hours during the most productive time of day. -- Jerry McBride -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Daylight Savings Time patch ...
Statux wrote: > AFAIK, this should have been addressed with the timezone-data updates. > The zoneinfo files, et al, are what define how the changes happen for a > particular timezone. > > On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 15:45 -0500, McCaffrey, Ennis wrote: > >> Does Gentoo have a patch for the new Daylight Savings Time standard >> that has been enacted and will be put in place next spring? >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Ennis McCaffrey >> >> Engineering Product Manager >> Advanced Technology Group >> >> Time Warner Cable >> 7910 Crescent Executive Drive >> Charlotte, NC 28217 >> >> Tel (704) 731-3914 >> Fax (704) 731-1188 >> Cell (704) 877-1621 >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> AIM:EnnisMac >> >> > > I think a better solution would be to get rid of the DST and be done with it. What exactly is that for anyway? Dale :-) :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Daylight Savings Time patch ...
AFAIK, this should have been addressed with the timezone-data updates. The zoneinfo files, et al, are what define how the changes happen for a particular timezone. On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 15:45 -0500, McCaffrey, Ennis wrote: > Does Gentoo have a patch for the new Daylight Savings Time standard > that has been enacted and will be put in place next spring? > > Sincerely, > > Ennis McCaffrey > > Engineering Product Manager > Advanced Technology Group > > Time Warner Cable > 7910 Crescent Executive Drive > Charlotte, NC 28217 > > Tel (704) 731-3914 > Fax (704) 731-1188 > Cell (704) 877-1621 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > AIM:EnnisMac > -- Statux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[gentoo-user] Daylight Savings Time patch ...
Does Gentoo have a patch for the new Daylight Savings Time standard that has been enacted and will be put in place next spring? Sincerely, Ennis McCaffrey Engineering Product Manager Advanced Technology Group Time Warner Cable 7910 Crescent Executive Drive Charlotte, NC 28217 Tel (704) 731-3914 Fax (704) 731-1188 Cell (704) 877-1621 [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM:EnnisMac - This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyright belonging to Time Warner Cable. This E-mail is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this E-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the contents of and attachments to this E-mail is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this E-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copy of this E-mail and any printout.
