Re: [gentoo-user] installing to VFAT partition
On Fri, 2005-05-13 at 21:26, THUFIR HAWAT wrote: On 5/13/05, Phil Sexton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [..] By commands, actually. You can even install Gentoo from your running Fedora installation, or from a Linux Live CD such as Knoppix. [..] I was hoping for a screen shot to compare against anaconda. Here is my screen shot :) Sat May 14 12:52 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ # Again, it uses bash commands, so I would have to show you what an x terminal or a virtual terminal looks like with some typing in it. Perhaps these will help: Directory of Linux Bash Commands: http://www.onlamp.com/linux/cmd/ Gentoo install instructions: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml The Gentoo Installation CDs are bootable CDs which contain a self-sustained Gentoo environment. They allow you to boot Linux from the CD. During the boot process your hardware is detected and the appropriate drivers are loaded. They are maintained by Gentoo developers. -the handbook, 2c I'm somewhat familiar with knoppix. when the handbook says self-sustained do they mean live, like knoppix? Yes, they are what I call live CDs, since they both run from CD and RAM. The only difference is, with Knoppix, you can install Gentoo (or Debian SID) from an x environment. With the Gentoo install, you are limited to 6 virtual terminals to work with in the chroot environment. In Knoppix, you have 3 spare virtual terminals and one x session in which you can open as many x terminals as you wish. I'm not sure about the Gentoo install CD (I built mine either under a running Fedora Core 1 or using Knoppix. I pre-partitioned my disk first with the fdisk utility, then I installed WindowsXP, then my other distros (I quad boot Windows XP, Fedora Cores 1 and 3, and Debian Sid) and used grub for the bootloader. Here is how I started, and this all takes root privileges: # Make mountpoints and format partitions. mkdir /mnt/gentoo mkreiserfs /dev/hdb3 mount /dev/hdb3 /mnt/gentoo mkdir /mnt/gentoo/boot mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/gentoo/boot mkswap /dev/hdb2 swapon mkdir /mnt/gentoo/usr mkreiserfs /dev/hdb5 mount /dev/hdb5 /mnt/gentoo/usr mkdir /mnt/gentoo/opt mkreiserfs /dev/hdb6 mount /dev/hdb6 /mnt/gentoo/opt mkdir /mnt/gentoo/var mkreiserfs /dev/hdb7 mount /dev/hdb7 /mnt/gentoo/var mkdir /mnt/gentoo/home mount /dev/hdb11 /mnt/gentoo/home mkdir /mnt/gentoo/pub mount /dev/hdb11 /mnt/gentoo/pub cd /mnt/gentoo tar -xvjpf /pub/downloads/tars/gentoo/stage3-i686-2005.0.tar.bz2 mount -t proc none /mnt/gentoo/proc chroot /mnt/gentoo /bin/bash env-update source /etc/profile # First emerges emerge system emerge app-portage/gentoolkit emerge app-portage/esearch eupdatedb Then, emerge (i.e download, compile and install, a Gentoo bash command most other distros lack) the other stuff you want. -- Phil Our 2nd CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/naomisfancy Naomi's Fancy performances: http://naomisfancy.virtualave.net/schedule.html -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] installing to VFAT partition THUFIR HAWAT
[digest-mode reply] Thufir, For good or ill, or maybe both good *and* ill!, Gentoo is basically an experts-only distro. (And STOP RIGHT THERE, flame-writers -- read the rest first.) Gentoo gives absolutely *awesome* power, but *This* *Thing* *Is* *Dangerous* -- it is a loaded *and* *cocked* pistol aimed at everything on your drives if you are installing it and are not a seriously knowledgable Linux user. I'm serious. I'm _deadly_ serious. Read the manual, and I suggest at *least* twice, before booting that CD you burned. If you are already a reasonably (==highly!) knowledgable linux user, please either skip the rest or at least take it with a *packet* of salt rather than a grain... If you are not, read on, and pay attention. The danger is not Gentoo as such, but the utterly 'naked' commands being used by someone who does not yet understand all the 'inwardnesses' of what must be done. This is not to say that a newbie or low-experience user cannot use Gentoo, but I would *emphatically* suggest that newbies other lower-powered *linux* users need to stay away from Gentoo, or else install to a *completely* empty drive, with no other drives in the computer. If you are highly knowledgable, just about all the power you could ever want is in here, including outright *brilliancies* that I never heard of before. (I Like! :) :) :) ) And with that knowledge, Gentoo is no more 'dangerous' than any other linux; probably a lot less dangerous, in fact! Read the manual (twice!) before booting that CD you burned, and if you are not already *very* Linux-knowledgable, this is not a good distro for you unless your intent is to become a linux expert in the next few weeks, by which time you will have a running system. And I repeat, if you are not already knowledgable, use a blank or blank-ABLE drive, only!, while learning. If you are not already powerful, other things you will need to know somewhat about (www.google.com/linux and www.LinuxQuestions.org are good places to look) are drives and partitions and formatting, and a little about TCP/IP, particularly IPv6 versus the rest of the w-w-world, and what your hardware and ISP provide. Read up, and we will be happy (and *able*!) to help. Best!, rgh. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] installing to VFAT partition
Am Freitag, 13. Mai 2005 08:40 schrieb ext THUFIR HAWAT: when you say that Gentoo installs on the partition of my choice, how does that happen: with a gui, drop-down menu or what? There is no installer for Gentoo. You boot from a LiveCD and type commands into a shell. That's how Gentoo is installed - your way. I'd suggest to read the installation docs first. I don't mind formating the fat32/vfat partition to ext3 (or whatever gentoo uses). Whatever _you_ want to use. My primary concern is losing data on the fedora partition, secondary Then, just be carefull not to overwrite it. concern being some sort of snafu with grub or similar, although that's a fairly minor fix. If you already have Linux on the box, then you also have grub already installed. So you can skip that part of the installation and just add an entry for booting Gentoo (assuming you'll keep Windows and Fedora, you will have a triple boot system, then). HTH... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net pgpHjmm41ilBe.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] installing to VFAT partition
On Fri, 2005-05-13 at 02:40, THUFIR HAWAT wrote: when you say that Gentoo installs on the partition of my choice, how does that happen: with a gui, drop-down menu or what? I don't mind formating the fat32/vfat partition to ext3 (or whatever gentoo uses). My primary concern is losing data on the fedora partition, secondary concern being some sort of snafu with grub or similar, although that's a fairly minor fix. By commands, actually. You can even install Gentoo from your running Fedora installation, or from a Linux Live CD such as Knoppix. See this: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml -- Phil Our 2nd CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/naomisfancy Naomi's Fancy performances: http://naomisfancy.virtualave.net/schedule.html -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] installing to VFAT partition
On 5/13/05, Phil Sexton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [..] By commands, actually. You can even install Gentoo from your running Fedora installation, or from a Linux Live CD such as Knoppix. [..] I was hoping for a screen shot to compare against anaconda. The Gentoo Installation CDs are bootable CDs which contain a self-sustained Gentoo environment. They allow you to boot Linux from the CD. During the boot process your hardware is detected and the appropriate drivers are loaded. They are maintained by Gentoo developers. -the handbook, 2c I'm somewhat familiar with knoppix. when the handbook says self-sustained do they mean live, like knoppix? thanks, Thufir -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] installing to VFAT partition
On 5/13/05, THUFIR HAWAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/14/05, Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [..] Thufir, I think the point you may be missing here is that there is NOTHING graphical about the Gentoo installation. It is nothing more than a very carefully crafted set of text commands. [..] ah, thanks for clarifying that. I just burned and booted the complete-cd, looks good. You're welcome. I hesitate to proceed before I understand how Gentoo handles partitions, however. will it bring up a list of partitions similar to: 1 FAT32 2 ext3 and then I enter 1 to format the first partition, and then similarly select 1 install gentoo onto just the one partition? Thufir, I hesitate to be forward here but I think it's pretty clear that you have not read the Gentoo install instructions. You really need to do that before you even think about proceeding with a real install. The instructions are located here: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-quickinstall.xml The Gentoo install does not 'bring up' anything. You will boot the CD and be presented with nothing but a command line. It is from that command line that you follow the instructions on the above linked page. The first step is 'date', the second step is 'modprobe' and on you go. You cannot execute this install without having a basic understanding of what these commands are doing and what you want the configuration of the machine should be. The answer to your specific question is that you will run fdisk, you will create the partitions you want at the size you want with the file system type you want. There is no set size. there is no script to make it happen. It comes out exactly as you create it. You want FAT? You make FAT. (At your own risk!) You want ext2 or reiserfs-4 or whatever, you make it. you place it on the disk where you want it, you format it, everything is done by hand. You are in control. This is good, but it takes some thinking and some planning. You will get good help here, but your next step is to read the install instructions and ask questions about what they say. that is your next step.not putting the CD in the drive and saying 'install please!'. Have a good read and come back with questions. cheers, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] installing to VFAT partition
I'm looking at http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1chap=2#doc_chap3 and have a few simple questions. currently I have a dual boot system, with fedora core 3 and windows 2000. will gentoo show the different partitions and ask which ones to install on? will it show VFAT, NTFS and ext3? thanks, Thufir -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] installing to VFAT partition
Gentoo doesn't ask you what to install anything on. you install Gentoo on the partition of your choice. You can, in practice, install Gentoo on any partition type supported by the installation kernel and run it from any partition type supported by your custom kernel. Hope this helps, Mark On 5/12/05, THUFIR HAWAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking at http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1chap=2#doc_chap3 and have a few simple questions. currently I have a dual boot system, with fedora core 3 and windows 2000. will gentoo show the different partitions and ask which ones to install on? will it show VFAT, NTFS and ext3? thanks, Thufir -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] installing to VFAT partition
Mark Knecht wrote: Gentoo doesn't ask you what to install anything on. you install Gentoo on the partition of your choice. You can, in practice, install Gentoo on any partition type supported by the installation kernel and run it from any partition type supported by your custom kernel. A minor correction to what Mark said: vfat is fully supported by Linux (read, write, edit, create, etc. are all supported and implemented). You can't install onto a vfat partition though because the vfat/FAT32 filesystem does not have the appropriate permissions capabilities. If you have no filesystem preference, a good suggestion is to use Ext3 or ReiserFS. I prefer Ext3, for what it's worth... -- () The ASCII Ribbon Campaign - against HTML Email, /\ vCards, and proprietary formats. --- Peter A. Gordon (codergeek42) E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG Public Key ID: 0x109DBECE GPG Key Fingerprint (SHA1): E485 E2F7 11CE F9B2 E3D9 C95D 208F B732 109D BECE Encrypted and/or Signed correspondence preffered. GPG Public Key available upon request or from pgp.mit.edu's public key server. --- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] installing to VFAT partition
On 5/12/05, Peter Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: Gentoo doesn't ask you what to install anything on. you install Gentoo on the partition of your choice. You can, in practice, install Gentoo on any partition type supported by the installation kernel and run it from any partition type supported by your custom kernel. A minor correction to what Mark said: vfat is fully supported by Linux (read, write, edit, create, etc. are all supported and implemented). You can't install onto a vfat partition though because the vfat/FAT32 filesystem does not have the appropriate permissions capabilities. If you have no filesystem preference, a good suggestion is to use Ext3 or ReiserFS. I prefer Ext3, for what it's worth... Thanks Peter. While I know that VFAT permissions are far fewer it hadn't occurred to me that you actually couldn't do an install to VFAT due to those differences. (Not that I'd ever try, but it's good to know.) Cheers, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] installing to VFAT partition
On Thu, 2005-05-12 at 23:23, Mark Knecht wrote: Thanks Peter. While I know that VFAT permissions are far fewer it hadn't occurred to me that you actually couldn't do an install to VFAT due to those differences. (Not that I'd ever try, but it's good to know.) There were some distros that would install on vfat, but as you would suspect, they aren't highly recommended and some actually cost money. I notice pfat linux (was that it's name) has disappeared and didn't Linspire install on vfat? Don't expect good results with any of these, though as I seldom saw any good reviews. -- Phil Our 2nd CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/naomisfancy Naomi's Fancy performances: http://naomisfancy.virtualave.net/schedule.html -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
