Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] What about a new file system subtree?
On Feb 18, 2006, at 10:52 AM, Rafael Fernández López wrote: Hi, Since I have started a project that needs to be redistributed (it'll be GPL) I've started to deeply read Autoconf and Automake manuals. Well, I had read some of FHS too, to know what I should do and what I should not do with my file hierarchy. But, what came to my mind (maybe it's possible today) is that we could make a new "file system" subtree in every ~. For example, a user will be able to do a "./configure ; make" but if the system is well-administrated a user won't be able to run a "make install", since it can cause problems to the system. (I know we, Gentoo users, don't care about that). But what I wanted to say is that if we are not root (typical case) we could do a "./configure ; make ; make install" (in an app called 'whatever') and it could create for example "/home/me/bin/whatever" and "/home/me/share/doc/whatever" or "/home/me/doc/whatever", and so on. That would be great since a normal user won't infect any root filesystem, and an administrator can fix any tricky problem deleting "/home/me". Bye and thanks !, Rafael Fernández López. You might want to check out Gobolinux, it's an unusual distro that make the breaks the FHS by making the file system into a version control system for installed packages. Gobolinux has a "rootless" option that lets an unprivileged user install software into their home directory using their package system. It can work in conjunction with any other distro, Gentoo included. http://www.gobolinux.org/?page=rootless Dave -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] What about a new file system subtree?
18. Februar 2006 17:16, Rafael Fernández López: > What I meant is that it could be selected as default option. My > idea is to make easier new users to install apps that don't have, and that > would like to, without having to read man configure. New users usually do not install apps that their distro does not provide. Almost every distribution has a package system with a GUI. It is also better to install not provided applications into /usr/local/ because it is usually in the path environment variable, so applications can run without the whole path prefix (imagine new users with the following question: Where is my newly installed application?). I do understand you now, but I don't think it's a useful behaviour. You could simply add a alias e.g. configure (./configure --prefix=~) and it would do the thing you want. It would be also easier for a new user because he wouldn't be bothered by ./ Greets, Rafael Bugajewski pgpXPpIEHVio0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] What about a new file system subtree?
On Saturday 18 February 2006 10:20, Rafael Fernández López wrote: > Is [OT] marked because it has nothing to do with Gentoo. I mean when no > ebuild is provided, someone is a new user (doesn't know what --prefix is), > and by default with one shot "./configure ; make ; make install" it could > be installed in home. If this is what you want then the user must be in the portage group. Now that user may be able to install software in / due to a lack of knowledge of the system. However they can do ROOT=/home/user emerge program and that will install it into their home directory. However if they have the power to do this, they have the power to accidentally install into /. Pick your poison here. -- Zac Slade -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] What about a new file system subtree?
On Saturday 18 February 2006 10:16, Rafael Fernández López wrote: > > This is what --prefix is for. > > ./configure --prefix=~/ > > make && make install > > This puts it into /home/user/ where /home/user is considered to be / > What I meant is that it could be selected as default option. My idea is > to > make easier new users to install apps that don't have, and that would like > to, without having to read man configure. This is the pneumonic load of *nix. Installing software is non-trivial. We make it much easier in gentoo with emerge, just as autoconf/automake made it much simpiler in the past. If a user is going to compile and install software in their home directory they are going to have to at least learn --prefix as an option to configure. Fortunately/unfortunately this is a requirement. Just as learning to use ls to list files in a directory. -- Zac Slade -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] What about a new file system subtree?
Is [OT] marked because it has nothing to do with Gentoo. I mean when no ebuild is provided, someone is a new user (doesn't know what --prefix is), and by default with one shot "./configure ; make ; make install" it could be installed in home. Bye, Rafael Fernández López. pgp0aG0b1s49S.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] What about a new file system subtree?
El Sábado, 18 de Febrero de 2006 16:44, Zac Slade escribió: > On Saturday 18 February 2006 09:52, Rafael Fernández López wrote: > > "./configure ; make ; make install" (in an app called 'whatever') and it > > could create for example "/home/me/bin/whatever" and > > "/home/me/share/doc/whatever" or > > "/home/me/doc/whatever", and so on. > > This is what --prefix is for. > ./configure --prefix=~/ > make && make install > This puts it into /home/user/ where /home/user is considered to be / > -- > Zac Slade What I meant is that it could be selected as default option. My idea is to make easier new users to install apps that don't have, and that would like to, without having to read man configure. Thx, Rafael Fernández López. pgpz73nPG6CMd.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] What about a new file system subtree?
Am Samstag, 18. Februar 2006 16:52 Rafael Fernández López wrote: > [...] > But, what came to my mind (maybe it's possible today) is that we could make > a new "file system" subtree in every ~. > [...] Hi, how do you want to realize it? For what should it be good? I think there is a Portage variable which lets you define the destination directory of a install. I think I didn't understand you, sorry. Could you explain it more concrete please? Greets, Rafael Bugajewski pgp0Yy82d8WIO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] What about a new file system subtree?
Hi,It is possible today. When testing a new application, I will often install it in my own account. What you're looking for is the "--prefix" argument to "./configure". For example, "./configure --prefix=$HOME" will install the app in question into ~/bin, ~/lib, ~/share, etc. dcmOn 2/18/06, Rafael Fernández López <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi,Since I have started a project that needs to be redistributed (it'll be GPL)I've started to deeply read Autoconf and Automake manuals.Well, I had read some of FHS too, to know what I should do and what I should not do with my file hierarchy.But, what came to my mind (maybe it's possible today) is that we could make anew "file system" subtree in every ~. For example, a user will be able to do a "./configure ; make" but if the system is well-administrated a user won'tbe able to run a "make install", since it can cause problems to the system.(I know we, Gentoo users, don't care about that). But what I wanted to say is that if we are not root (typical case) we could do a "./configure ; make ;make install" (in an app called 'whatever') and it could create for example"/home/me/bin/whatever" and "/home/me/share/doc/whatever" or "/home/me/doc/whatever", and so on.That would be great since a normal user won't infect any root filesystem, andan administrator can fix any tricky problem deleting "/home/me". Bye and thanks !,Rafael Fernández López.
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] What about a new file system subtree?
On Saturday 18 February 2006 09:52, Rafael Fernández López wrote: > "./configure ; make ; make install" (in an app called 'whatever') and it > could create for example "/home/me/bin/whatever" and > "/home/me/share/doc/whatever" or > "/home/me/doc/whatever", and so on. This is what --prefix is for. ./configure --prefix=~/ make && make install This puts it into /home/user/ where /home/user is considered to be / -- Zac Slade -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
