Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Am 03.10.2009 17:31, schrieb Harry Putnam:
Haa, there is an old time tool... what do I need to use in `eix' to
find it.
`eix midnight' fails as does `eix commander'
metat...@darkstation ~ $ eix -S midnight
* app-misc/mc
Available versions: 4.6.1-r4 4.7.0_pre1 (~)4.7.0_pre2
(~)4.7.0_pre2-r1 {7zip X chdir +edit gpm ncurses nls samba (+)slang unicode}
Homepage:http://www.midnight-commander.org
Description: GNU Midnight Commander is a text based file
manager
Greetings
Sebastian
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Am Samstag 03 Oktober 2009 17:27:19 schrieb Harry Putnam: I started my computer life on linux 1996.. automounting is somewhat new in linux... it was not commonly used when I started out. Hmm, Not commonly used, don't know. First versions of autofs date back to April 97, amd is much older, I think. So no, automounting is NOT new in Linux, it's there for over a decade now. Bye... Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Am Samstag 03 Oktober 2009 17:31:28 schrieb Harry Putnam: `eix midnight' fails as does `eix commander' Does it have a different name in portage? No, it has the same name as everywhere: mc ;-) Bye... Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Hi, I really wonder about this discussion. This tool can do it, that tool can do it, the other one, too. WTF? Just mount the damn share and _EVERY_ tool can access it. So what? Bye... Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Am Samstag 03 Oktober 2009 20:10:30 schrieb Harry Putnam: Dirk Heinrichs dirk.heinri...@online.de writes: Hmm, Not commonly used, don't know. First versions of autofs date back to April 97, amd is much older, I think. So no, automounting is NOT new in Linux, it's there for over a decade now. At nearly 70, I can call a decade `fairly recent'. I have to beg to differ here... I don't mean your statements about when it appeared... Linux is much older than 1997... and as I said I started a little before that... At that time there were not many users at all not to mention users using automounting. I'd hazard a guess that total users was not much over 150,000 or so... just an idle guess though. I wouldn't even dare to guess :) The newbies like me were definitely not using it linux then took much more config than it does today... even on gentoo today. You could easily spend 2 or more wks getting X up... or even getting it to boot. Yeah, I know. I started with Linux roughly one or two years before you did. Building your own kernel was well out of the grasp of newbies at that time. Then there must have been two types of newbies ;) So in that atmosphere... its not true that automount was in common use. As I wrote I don't know. I used it, but again I wouldn't dare to guess how many others did. Bye... Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Am Samstag 03 Oktober 2009 20:16:48 schrieb Harry Putnam: No, it has the same name as everywhere: mc ;-) Dirk, Your wisacre additions are really starting to wear on me. Have you been on a binge or something... and need a few days rest. 1) You've seen the smiley? 2) You got the package name, didn't you? Bye... Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Am Samstag 03 Oktober 2009 20:14:16 schrieb Harry Putnam: Dirk Heinrichs dirk.heinri...@online.de writes: I really wonder about this discussion. This tool can do it, that tool can do it, the other one, too. WTF? No problem, don't read it. That's really hard to do :) Bye... Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 10:31 AM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/03/2009 05:55 AM, Paul Hartman wrote: On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Harry Putnamrea...@newsguy.com wrote: Do we have tools other than Konqueror that are aware of smb/UNK addressing? Before you answer please note that: I know about ssh I know about fuse I know about mount -tcifs I'd really like to be able to use UNK addressing from the cmd line. cd //host/share I don't now how many of you have noticed but bash shell from cygwin on windows has that capability built in. Or maybe it comes from windows env. You can do `cd //linux-host/share' in a bash terminal If command line smb/UNK is not on without lots of diddling around, what about some file managing tool that does it like Konqueror does. Emacs is said to be able to do this using tramp but I haven't ever gotten it to work. Konqueror can do it... but I don't run kde, and don't really want to fiddle with it in that direction. Midnight Commander can do it. Nifty, I didn't know that. Amazing what mc can do. Couple of points that are not obvious in case Harry wants to try mc: it needs to be compiled with the samba USE flag set; and you access your samba shares using the Right or Left dropdown menus at the top of the mc window. This function of mc (being an old app) I'm guessing is what inspired the similar functions in konqueror and nautilus, but I'm not sure about the order of events. Thanks for the tip. You can also use mc's special notation for connecting from the shell prompt inside the program. I highly recommend RTFM since I don't know how to do it specifically and only tried it once a long time ago, so this may be completely wrong. :) But from memory it was _something_ similar to this: cd /#smb:hostname/share You can also connect to things like FTP and fish (ssh/scp) with similar notation from within mc. Check for mc's VFS in the docs or google to see the actual instructions.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote:
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com writes:
Emacs is said to be able to do this using tramp but I haven't ever
gotten it to work.
Konqueror can do it... but I don't run kde, and don't really want to
fiddle with it in that direction.
Midnight Commander can do it.
Haa, there is an old time tool... what do I need to use in `eix' to
find it.
`eix midnight' fails as does `eix commander'
Does it have a different name in portage?
I did find a vimcommander... maybe that will have the functionality
too, since it says it has a commander style interface.
It's tricky since the program name is Midnight Commander but the
package executable name is mc. You can use the -S switch for eix
to make it search descriptions as well as the package name when
something's pkgname is not obvious. For example:
$ eix -S midnight.commander
[I] app-misc/mc
Available versions: 4.6.1-r4 4.7.0_pre1 (~)4.7.0_pre2
(~)4.7.0_pre2-r1 {7zip X chdir +edit gpm ncurses nls samba (+)slang
unicode}
Installed versions: 4.7.0_pre2-r1(12:24:04 AM 09/06/2009)(X edit
gpm nls samba slang -chdir)
Homepage:http://www.midnight-commander.org
Description: GNU Midnight Commander is a text based file manager
:)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Harry Putnam wrote: Dirk Heinrichs dirk.heinri...@online.de writes: Hmm, Not commonly used, don't know. First versions of autofs date back to April 97, amd is much older, I think. So no, automounting is NOT new in Linux, it's there for over a decade now. At nearly 70, I can call a decade `fairly recent'. Quite honestly, your age is irrelevant in this context. Linux is much older than 1997... Not at all. Linus made his first announcement in August 1991. The first files appeared on the Internet in September 1991. It wasn't an operating system at that point. The newbies like me were definitely not using it linux then took much more config than it does today... even on gentoo today. You could easily spend 2 or more wks getting X up... or even getting it to boot. Hmm. Most of the people who used (actually, played with because it wasn't a usable operating system until much later) Linux in the early days came from Minix. Remember that? Newbies to Linux were not newbies to computers and operating systems. Far from it, most were pretty adept DOS hackers. Building your own kernel was well out of the grasp of newbies at that time. Definitely not. So in that atmosphere... its not true that automount was in common use. You seem to have entirely forgotten what Linux actually was in the 1990s. It was actually a hacker's paradise. There were NO newbies in the sense of people who were new to computers using Linux. The very nature of Linux users in those days was that they were experimental, had some (if not considerable) knowledge and were keen to try any new gizmo that came along and, if there wasn't one, develop their own. Indeed, that's exactly how and why Linux is where it is now. FWIW, I have been involved with computers one way or another since 1969 (a few months before Man set foot upon the moon). Be lucky, Neil http://www.neiljw.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Harry Putnam wrote: If it had the same name everywhere... Paul Hartman wouldn't have called it `Midnight Commander' would he. So it has at least 2 names Jesus bud, lighten up or quit the thread, if it getting to be too much for you. It has one name - Midnight Commander - BUT is know just about everywhere by the abbreviation mc. If you want it in ANY distribution, you look for mc. I think you are the one who needs a rest - especially as you are totally blind to smilies. :P Be lucky, Neil http://www.neiljw.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Am Samstag 03 Oktober 2009 20:59:50 schrieb Harry Putnam: I never liked mc even in the old days... So you actually knew mc before? (cd /#smb:host/share) Again, another tool, another syntax. Once you simply mount the share, the path will be the same no matter what tool you use to browse it. So why not do the simple thing? Bye... Dirk
