Re: [gentoo-user] Be careful when using dhcp with a LiveCD

2007-12-07 Thread Billy Holmes



I guess eventually all dhcp implementations will catch up with this change,
although for now it is bound to create some problems with particular DHCP


You could try disconnecting your cable modem for about 10 minutes,  
ensuring the ISP recognizes that it's offline, and thus remove the  
entries in it's DHCP table for your connection.


then when you boot your system normally, it might work like it used to.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Be careful when using dhcp with a LiveCD

2007-12-07 Thread Mick
On Friday 07 December 2007, b.n. wrote:
 Mick ha scritto:
  The point is: be careful when using dhcp from a LiveCD.  Your system
  might act differently the next time you boot the hard drive.
 
  The dhcpcd was changed recently and not all dhcp servers take kindly to
  it, when it uses DUID the way it does (some servers depend on DUID
  passing on to them the MAC of the client).  The solution I also found was
  to set the vram flag.

 I'm really ignorant on networks. What has changed on the dhcp side so
 that *client* behaviour alters *server* behaviour? Isn't this horribly
 broken (from the server side), or there is some reason to behave that?

I am no less ignorant I'm afraid, but this is how I understand it in simple 
terms:

net-misc/dhcpcd-3.1.5-r1 has introduced a usage of DUID which is compliant 
with RFC 4361, and creates a client ID (this can be any string uniquely 
identifying the client interface).  However, a number of DHCP server 
implementations expect the DUID to contain the MAC of the client and unless 
this is in a particular format the server falls over.

The vrm flag allows the MAC to be used in the DUID field and then the server 
is happy to issue an IP address to the client.  As an alternative one can try 
the dhcpcd -I option to specify the MAC of the client, but when I tried it I 
couldn't get it to work.

I guess eventually all dhcp implementations will catch up with this change, 
although for now it is bound to create some problems with particular DHCP 
servers (cisco being one of them).  On the other hand RFC 4361 may be 
superseded/reversed, dhcpcd will go back to how it was and the world will be 
a simpler place to live and network.  :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Be careful when using dhcp with a LiveCD

2007-12-07 Thread Mick
On Friday 07 December 2007, Billy Holmes wrote:
  I guess eventually all dhcp implementations will catch up with this
  change, although for now it is bound to create some problems with
  particular DHCP

 You could try disconnecting your cable modem for about 10 minutes,
 ensuring the ISP recognizes that it's offline, and thus remove the
 entries in it's DHCP table for your connection.

 then when you boot your system normally, it might work like it used to.

The OP probably has a cable problem where this suggestion may apply.  In my 
case I was having problems with a local dhcp server on my LAN.  Nothing would 
get going, other than recompiling dhcpcd with vram set as a USE flag.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Be careful when using dhcp with a LiveCD

2007-12-07 Thread HÃ¥kon Alstadheim

Billy Holmes wrote:


I guess eventually all dhcp implementations will catch up with this 
change,
although for now it is bound to create some problems with particular 
DHCP


You could try disconnecting your cable modem for about 10 minutes, 
ensuring the ISP recognizes that it's offline, and thus remove the 
entries in it's DHCP table for your connection.


then when you boot your system normally, it might work like it used to.

Yes, that sound reasonable. The livecd was probably shut down without 
releasing the lease on the ip-address. Check the manual page on the 
dhcp-client on the live cd. There is probably some signal you can send 
it to make it release its lease.


When the regular os comes back up in this situation, it wants /its/ old 
ip back. This might hang on a server restriction on only one ip per 
subscriber/mac address, or it might just trigger a bug somewhere.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Be careful when using dhcp with a LiveCD

2007-12-06 Thread Mick
On Thursday 06 December 2007, Grant wrote:
 I just spent a few hours trying to fix a problem where my Gentoo
 router would only dhcp the ip address of the cable modem instead of
 the proper IP address from the WAN.  I ended up enabling USE=vram and
 it worked again.

 # equery uses dhcpcd
  + + vram : Disable DUID due to volatile media, such as a LiveCD

 I had just previously booted to a Damn Small Linux LiveCD when the
 trouble started so I'm thinking the CD tried to dhcp from my cable
 internet provider without a DUID which caused the provider to change
 something which means that I need to disable the DUID from now on?
 It's confusing but that's the best I can come up with.

 The point is: be careful when using dhcp from a LiveCD.  Your system
 might act differently the next time you boot the hard drive.

The dhcpcd was changed recently and not all dhcp servers take kindly to it, 
when it uses DUID the way it does (some servers depend on DUID passing on to 
them the MAC of the client).  The solution I also found was to set the vram 
flag.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Be careful when using dhcp with a LiveCD

2007-12-06 Thread Grant
  I just spent a few hours trying to fix a problem where my Gentoo
  router would only dhcp the ip address of the cable modem instead of
  the proper IP address from the WAN.  I ended up enabling USE=vram and
  it worked again.
 
  # equery uses dhcpcd
   + + vram : Disable DUID due to volatile media, such as a LiveCD
 
  I had just previously booted to a Damn Small Linux LiveCD when the
  trouble started so I'm thinking the CD tried to dhcp from my cable
  internet provider without a DUID which caused the provider to change
  something which means that I need to disable the DUID from now on?
  It's confusing but that's the best I can come up with.
 
  The point is: be careful when using dhcp from a LiveCD.  Your system
  might act differently the next time you boot the hard drive.

 The dhcpcd was changed recently and not all dhcp servers take kindly to it,
 when it uses DUID the way it does (some servers depend on DUID passing on to
 them the MAC of the client).  The solution I also found was to set the vram
 flag.

Something must have changed on my ISP's end when my router tried to
dhcp via the Damn Small Linux LiveCD.  It had been running dhcp just
fine ever since I switched to this ISP (Cox) and failed every time
after I booted that LiveCD until I enabled vram.

- Grant
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Re: [gentoo-user] Be careful when using dhcp with a LiveCD

2007-12-06 Thread b.n.
Mick ha scritto:
 The point is: be careful when using dhcp from a LiveCD.  Your system
 might act differently the next time you boot the hard drive.
 
 The dhcpcd was changed recently and not all dhcp servers take kindly to it, 
 when it uses DUID the way it does (some servers depend on DUID passing on to 
 them the MAC of the client).  The solution I also found was to set the vram 
 flag.

I'm really ignorant on networks. What has changed on the dhcp side so
that *client* behaviour alters *server* behaviour? Isn't this horribly
broken (from the server side), or there is some reason to behave that?

m.
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