Re: [gentoo-user] Clean up world file
On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 00:35:18 -0500, Anthony E. Caudel wrote: Thanks Neil. I think I'll use this along with the recommendations of dep. With 119 packages in the world file, I'll have to be VERY brutal. That depends on what you're using. If you use the KDE split builds without the meta packages, 119 is a very low figure. I have 338 on my desktop and 256 on my laptop, which makes me think I should start pruning the desktop's world file, that is quite a difference. -- Neil Bothwick Windows, the most installed system in the world, I know, I've done it 5 or 6 times myself. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Clean up world file
Neil Bothwick wrote: ... I have 338 on my desktop and 256 on my laptop, which makes me think I should start pruning ... Gulp! Maybe mine isn't so bloated after all. ;-) Tony -- Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Clean up world file
Anthony E. Caudel wrote: Gulp! Maybe mine isn't so bloated after all. ;-) Tony : ...or perhaps you don't have as many packages installed as Mr. Neil Bothwick has. After cleaning I get: === #wc /var/lib/portage/world 280 281 5415 /var/lib/portage/world === -- Best regards, Daniel -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Clean up world file
Daniel Iliev wrote: Anthony E. Caudel wrote: Gulp! Maybe mine isn't so bloated after all. ;-) Tony : ...or perhaps you don't have as many packages installed as Mr. Neil Bothwick has. After cleaning I get: === #wc /var/lib/portage/world 280 281 5415 /var/lib/portage/world === Hi, Result after emerge --depclean -av ...SKIP... Packages installed: 1101 Packages in world:247 Packages in system: 59 Unique package names: 1101 Required packages:1135 Number removed: 0 ...END... #wc /var/lib/portage/world 246 247 4895 /var/lib/portage/world PS: recently cleaned world file. HTH.Rumen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Clean up world file
Daniel Iliev wrote: Daniel Waeber wrote: If I'm not mistaken, you can simply run vim /var/lib/portage/world, :sort it and ddelete the packages you don't need. It did work for me, but I'm not sure if something breaks if you just edit the world file or if you have to chance something else. I don't think anything will break. There is also, let me name it reverse approach. You first make a back up and empty your world file: 1) gentoo ~ #cp /var/lib/portage/world ~/ /var/lib/portage/world and then build it again: 2) gentoo ~ #regenworld regenworld will put some packages which it thinks belong to the world list. Now check what portage finds to be useless when the world set is almost empty: 3) gentoo ~ #emerge --depclean --pretend From the list shown by the above command you chose the program packages you *want* to have installed and put them in the world file. One atom (category-name/package-name, without version numbers) per line. Now do as emerge --depclean recommends: 4) gentoo ~ #emerge --update --newuse --deep world Repeat the steps from (2) to (4) until (3) shows only packages that are not familiar to you and (4) doesn't want to install anything. Next. Check if there are no system packages in the list (3) shows: 5) gentoo ~ #emerge -pve system It should not happen that (3) wants to remove system packages but its better to be sure. Now cross your fingers and execute emerge --deplcean for real (without --pretend). 6) emerge --deplcean Immediately after (6) finishes you *must* do: 7) emerge -DuN world 8) revdep-rebuild When (8) is successfully finished you should have a clean world set within a healthy system. If something goes wrong you can bring back your working world and recheck all packages: #cp ~/world /var/lib/portage/world #emerge -DuN world #revdep-rebuild One more thing. You remember that saying If it works don't fix it, don't you? :) I mean your system should work properly even with polluted world set, no matter there are additional packages in it. *** Whew! *** Thanks Daniel, I'm going to keep this in mind. And yes, I'm familiar with the quote. The only problem with a bloated world file is updating perhaps unnecessarily. Tony -- Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Clean up world file
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 05:30:54 -0500, Anthony E. Caudel wrote: Has anyone here used it? Is it the best means available to clean the world file? Anything in the gentoo tree to do this? I've done this manually in the past. Edit /var/lib/world and remove everything you think shouldn't be in there. Be brutal, if you never run the program directly, you probably don't want it in world. Then run emerge --depclean --pretend. If this lists any packages you know you want (directly, not as dependencies) add them to world with emerge -n package. Rinse and repeat. Finally, when everything listed by emerge --depclean is not something you want to keep, run it without --pretend. Thanks Neil. I think I'll use this along with the recommendations of dep. With 119 packages in the world file, I'll have to be VERY brutal. Tony -- Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Clean up world file
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If I'm not mistaken, you can simply run vim /var/lib/portage/world, :sort it and ddelete the packages you don't need. It did work for me, but I'm not sure if something breaks if you just edit the world file or if you have to chance something else. Anthony E. Caudel wrote: There was a recent thread about about what should or should not be in the world file. Regarding that, my world file is bloated. Until recently, I had a tendency to do updates piecemeal but did not use --oneshot. This put packages in that I do not think belong. Looking for a means to clean up the world file, I ran across Ed Catmur's dep. Has anyone here used it? Is it the best means available to clean the world file? Anything in the gentoo tree to do this? Tony BTW, I ran it with the --pretend option and it told me that 44 of the 119 packages in my world file were redundant. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEr5/TBbWbHb9PeLsRAjFUAJ4sAcpXKSIVch0iT0H1jF9oRYC2tgCfc9Q4 TlDp5dIHwSdNwchjuaeKt7Q= =8E4L -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Clean up world file
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Well you can do it by hand but you'll notice that if you run regenworld they'll be added to your world file again. Just delete it manually from /var/lib/portage/world file and later delete /var/log/emerge.log if you don't want they to be added to your world file when running regenworld again. If you want to install libraries or something that you don't want to be in portage but you've to install it explicitly (is not a explicit dependency), just do a emerge --oneshot whatever, and it won't be added to your world file. Bye, Rafael Fernández López. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEr6YzWFfYaTyFH8oRAm78AKCZZyZtobbseZAz/IL+3uHoaEqKWgCbBm/y tBUbgjNgm7UhE5A5BqD0O2I= =jpxX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Clean up world file
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 SORRY, IN that you don't want to be in portage should be that you don't want to be in your world file. Bye, Rafael Fernández López. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEr6hvWFfYaTyFH8oRAlPIAJ4nXnwUZzBkop9qperYev5Loref8QCfWSDo rH/kfxsYHOG42rTRqLMKhxU= =AW9p -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Clean up world file
Anthony E. Caudel wrote: There was a recent thread about about what should or should not be in the world file. Regarding that, my world file is bloated. Until recently, I had a tendency to do updates piecemeal but did not use --oneshot. This put packages in that I do not think belong. Looking for a means to clean up the world file, I ran across Ed Catmur's dep. Has anyone here used it? Is it the best means available to clean the world file? Anything in the gentoo tree to do this? Tony BTW, I ran it with the --pretend option and it told me that 44 of the 119 packages in my world file were redundant. Hi, So far only used ecatmur's dep script (it's/was called 'udept'). To get the latest - emerge layman import ecatmur's overlay. Then run dep --help and check the options. Using it for over a year or two excellent script, Thanks Ed. HTH.Rumen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Clean up world file
Daniel Waeber wrote: If I'm not mistaken, you can simply run vim /var/lib/portage/world, :sort it and ddelete the packages you don't need. It did work for me, but I'm not sure if something breaks if you just edit the world file or if you have to chance something else. I don't think anything will break. There is also, let me name it reverse approach. You first make a back up and empty your world file: 1) gentoo ~ #cp /var/lib/portage/world ~/ /var/lib/portage/world and then build it again: 2) gentoo ~ #regenworld regenworld will put some packages which it thinks belong to the world list. Now check what portage finds to be useless when the world set is almost empty: 3) gentoo ~ #emerge --depclean --pretend From the list shown by the above command you chose the program packages you *want* to have installed and put them in the world file. One atom (category-name/package-name, without version numbers) per line. Now do as emerge --depclean recommends: 4) gentoo ~ #emerge --update --newuse --deep world Repeat the steps from (2) to (4) until (3) shows only packages that are not familiar to you and (4) doesn't want to install anything. Next. Check if there are no system packages in the list (3) shows: 5) gentoo ~ #emerge -pve system It should not happen that (3) wants to remove system packages but its better to be sure. Now cross your fingers and execute emerge --deplcean for real (without --pretend). 6) emerge --deplcean Immediately after (6) finishes you *must* do: 7) emerge -DuN world 8) revdep-rebuild When (8) is successfully finished you should have a clean world set within a healthy system. If something goes wrong you can bring back your working world and recheck all packages: #cp ~/world /var/lib/portage/world #emerge -DuN world #revdep-rebuild One more thing. You remember that saying If it works don't fix it, don't you? :) I mean your system should work properly even with polluted world set, no matter there are additional packages in it. -- Best regards, Daniel -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Clean up world file
On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 05:30:54 -0500, Anthony E. Caudel wrote: Has anyone here used it? Is it the best means available to clean the world file? Anything in the gentoo tree to do this? I've done this manually in the past. Edit /var/lib/world and remove everything you think shouldn't be in there. Be brutal, if you never run the program directly, you probably don't want it in world. Then run emerge --depclean --pretend. If this lists any packages you know you want (directly, not as dependencies) add them to world with emerge -n package. Rinse and repeat. Finally, when everything listed by emerge --depclean is not something you want to keep, run it without --pretend. -- Neil Bothwick If God had intended man to smoke, He would have set him on fire. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Clean up world file
On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 05:30:54AM -0500, Anthony E. Caudel wrote There was a recent thread about about what should or should not be in the world file. Regarding that, my world file is bloated. Until recently, I had a tendency to do updates piecemeal but did not use --oneshot. This put packages in that I do not think belong. This may not help now, but keep it in mind next time you install from scratch... step 1) install a basic text-console-only system step 2) emerge gimp (or some other X app). You'll end up with a gimp and a functional X and twm. I prefer blackbox. So I would emerge bbkeys. This pulls in and sets up blackbox on X. The emerge at step 2) pulls in umpteen dependancies, and is an overnight job on a 400 mhz PII. I have quite a few apps, and my world is 85 lines. -- Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
