Re: [gentoo-user] Getting to kde 3.5
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 05:49:23 +0100, Holly Bostick wrote: Holly is American... so it's even more surprising GDR wow she hasn't bitten either of us LOL. I'm trying to let the thread *die*, gentlemen.! Such willpower! All in vain though :) Cheese and crackers! Pass the port! -- Neil Bothwick If weather bureaus were honest, they would call themselves non prophet organizations signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting to kde 3.5
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:29:05 +1300, Nick Rout wrote: The lady has a way with words! particularly for someone from the .nl domain :-/ Holly is American... so it's even more surprising GDR -- Neil Bothwick You have a tendency to feel you are superior to most computers. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting to kde 3.5
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:24:43 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: No wonder you find world unsatisfactory unless you use --oneshot every time Of course I do, when the package is not already in world or system: there's now an easy abbreviation '-1'. I know about, and use, -1, but the full name makes the post more understandable to those that don't. Otherwise, I keep a list of all the packages I have installed -- something Gentoo should provide automatically, but 'world' doesn't, Yes it does. world provides a list of all packages YOU have installed. Rubbish ! It doesn't list packages installed in support of another during the same emerge command. Read what I wrote again. Hell, I even emphasised YOU and you missed it. Dependencies are installed by portage, not the user. I don't give a flying fig whether libfoo is installed or why it was installed, as long as the packages that need it can find it. However, I don't want cruft on my system, and world lets me avoid that, because I can remove all packages that were neither installed by me nor a dependency of something else. qpkg -I equery list find /var/db/pkg -name '*.ebuild' will all do this. Yes exactly, as I said, I started my own list from 'qpkg -I', but that doesn't update the list nor tell me when/why I installed things. The list is automatically updated, it is in /var/db, just not as a single text file like world. As for when you installed things, this information is in /var/log/emerge.log, which can be read manually or parsed by tools like genlop. I don't think anything is intelligent enough to work out why you installed a package. If you mean to mark what pulled it in as a dependency, that information is irrelevant. Does it really matter which package caused X to be installed (probably kdebase on my systems) when so many others depend on it. The original dependent package may not even be present, as with kdebase here. Really, I am constantly shocked by the blinkers some people wear: That's the way you're supposed to do it everyone else does. The quote should be that's how world is supposed to be used. You are trying to do something for which world was not designed. Don't blame a hammer because it does a poor job of driving in screws, find a screwdriver instead. Anyway, enough of this side-issue for now. The world concept is a core part of Gentoo, it can never be considered a side issue. The main problem with world is the number of people that do not understand the concept correctly. Not because they are stupid, but because it is not obviously documented in the handbook, I too screwed up my world file on my first Gentoo system. -- Neil Bothwick Hm..what's this red button fo|'».'NO CARRIER signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting to kde 3.5
Nick Rout wrote: On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:46:27 -0500 Ernie Schroder wrote: But as you say, enough. Holly The lady has a way with words! -- Regards, Ernie particularly for someone from the .nl domain :-/ Your asking for it now, Nick heheh -- Edward A Mihalow Jr Gentoo! Linux Registered Linux User#225662 New Orleans,LA -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting to kde 3.5
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:08:33 + Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:29:05 +1300, Nick Rout wrote: The lady has a way with words! particularly for someone from the .nl domain :-/ Holly is American... so it's even more surprising GDR wow she hasn't bitten either of us LOL. -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting to kde 3.5
Nick Rout schreef: On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:08:33 + Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:29:05 +1300, Nick Rout wrote: The lady has a way with words! particularly for someone from the .nl domain :-/ Holly is American... so it's even more surprising GDR wow she hasn't bitten either of us LOL. I'm trying to let the thread *die*, gentlemen.! That /is/ what I ended by saying, after all Cheese and crackers! :-) Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting to kde 3.5
051218 Holly Bostick wrote: Do *not* use ACCEPT_KEYWORDS on the command line except for an explicit 'testing' situation. Either with --pretend, to see what packages are involved, or for a single/simple unstable package you are not sure you want to keep, for which Portage's automatic downgrade will not be a problem (because you've checked and you don't want the package) or for which you will immediately add the package to /etc/portage/package.keywords (because you've checked and you do want to keep the package in its unstable version). This is true only if you ever do 'emerge world' without a '-p'. I consider 'world' an unsatisfactory feature of Gentoo never use it except for 'emerge -Dup world' to get an ordering for updates before emerging some of them individually in a weekly session. In .bashrc I have alias emergeu='ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge' which I use occasionally when I don't want to 'WAIT' (tm H Bostick), eg last week when I emerged Galeon 2.0 . Otherwise, I keep a list of all the packages I have installed -- something Gentoo should provide automatically, but 'world' doesn't, which I made using 'qpkg -I' (also deprecated for some reason) keep upto-date with Vim as I remerge individual packages -- use 'esync' once a week, which not only updates the tree, but most helpfully lists all packages which have new versions colors those among them which I have installed. I then decide which packages deserve to be updated to newer versions (eg yesterday 'man-pages' (system) 'xpdf' (security)). My solution to NR's original query will be (probably next week) to do a series of 'emergeu kdelibs', 'emergeu kjots' etc or perhaps put groups in lists in 'emergeu' commands. My list of installed packages tells me which ones I need to remerge. Linux is about choice, so everyone do it his/her way, Gentoo is about control, which is why I choose to do it my way. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting to kde 3.5
Wait til Holly sees this grin No, no, Ernie, you've covered the meat of any warning I would give with relation to LostSon's suggestion, but I'll say it again: Thank you all for blasting me about how i do things. Im sorry I dont do things the perfect gentoo way you think they should be done. however I feel when KDE releases a new version to the mirrors it is time to install it. I have had discussions about the whole Deep world thing and everytime i have used it in the past it breaks something so i simply do not use it. I sync everyday and emerge -up world my system to see what is coming in or going out on each of my 4 gentoo boxes at home. I was merely offering a suggestion on how to quicky get KDE-3.5 installled. Oh well you run your boxes your way and i will run mine my way. Happy Holidays! LostSon -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting to kde 3.5
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:27:50 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: I consider 'world' an unsatisfactory feature of Gentoo never use it except for 'emerge -Dup world' to get an ordering for updates before emerging some of them individually in a weekly session. No wonder you find world unsatisfactory. Unless you use --oneshot every time, your world file has already been rendered useless. Otherwise, I keep a list of all the packages I have installed -- something Gentoo should provide automatically, but 'world' doesn't, Yes it does. world provides a list of all packages YOU have installed. It does not provide a list of all installed packages, which is something very different. qpkg -I equery list find /var/db/pkg -name '*.ebuild' will all do this. There are probably other ways to get a list of all installed packages, but those are three to keep you going for now. -- Neil Bothwick Deliver a pizza? Whoever heard of a liver pizza? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting to kde 3.5
On 12/18/05, LostSon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you all for blasting me about how i do things. It wasn't my intention to blast you, and I'm sorry if you took it that way. There is nothing wrong with the way you are doing things, but I doubt that most users here are so controlling about what packages portage upgrades or installs. So it is important to know how to make the ~x86 choice persistent for a set of packages. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting to kde 3.5
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:13:54 -0600 LostSon wrote: Wait til Holly sees this grin No, no, Ernie, you've covered the meat of any warning I would give with relation to LostSon's suggestion, but I'll say it again: Thank you all for blasting me about how i do things. Im sorry I dont do things the perfect gentoo way you think they should be done. Take a chill pill and listen to the advice. Using ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 has been deprecated for ages, and is useful only in limted circumstances (as outlined by Holly, whose sage advice I will not repeat). however I feel when KDE releases a new version to the mirrors it is time to install it. That wasn't the discussion. I simply asked if there was a simple way to get kde 3.5 onto my machine without spending ages amending /etc/portage/package.keywords. It doesn't call for a debate on how long gentoo ebuilds are tested for. I have had discussions about the whole Deep world thing and everytime i have used it in the past it breaks something so i simply do not use it. I sync everyday and emerge -up world my system to see what is coming in or going out on each of my 4 gentoo boxes at home. I was merely offering a suggestion on how to quicky get KDE-3.5 installled. And your answer was the wrong one, simply stand corrected and take the opportunity to learn. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting to kde 3.5
On Sunday 18 December 2005 12:13, a tiny voice compelled LostSon to write: Wait til Holly sees this grin I made that comment because I had used ACCEPT_KEYWORDS on the command line as you did and I got the same stern lecture that I expected Holly would give you. I went on to say that unless you added the KDE packages to package.keywords, you could expect a lot of other packages to want to downgrade next emerge -u world. You mentioned that you didn't want to waste time writing to package.keywords, but were unwilling to accept advice that would save you a lot more time down the road. If you read other comments in this thread and others, (pay attention to a few of my recent threads) you'll find commands and scripts to automate appending the KDE-3.5.0 packages and thier dependancies to /etc/portage/package.keywords. It would seem to me that time is not your issue here, but rather stubbornness. No, no, Ernie, you've covered the meat of any warning I would give with relation to LostSon's suggestion, but I'll say it again: Thank you all for blasting me about how i do things. Im sorry I dont do things the perfect gentoo way you think they should be done. however I feel when KDE releases a new version to the mirrors it is time to install it. I have had discussions about the whole Deep world thing and everytime i have used it in the past it breaks something so i simply do not use it. I sync everyday and emerge -up world my system to see what is coming in or going out on each of my 4 gentoo boxes at home. I was merely offering a suggestion on how to quicky get KDE-3.5 installled. Oh well you run your boxes your way and i will run mine my way. Happy Holidays! LostSon -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free 19:16:16 up 8:17, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.11, 0.25 Linux 2.6.14-gentoo-r42.6.14-r-4_new i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting to kde 3.5
Holly Bostick wrote: It's not like the world is going to end if you don't have KDE 3.5 /today/ as opposed to two weeks from today (probably sooner, since KDE is a high-demand package, and people will start to b**ch if it's not stable some specified time after the well-known upstream release date). The minimum time in ~arch is a month (special circumstances like security bugs excluded). With bigger things like KDE it is usually more than a a month because there is so much to test. Regards, Petteri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting to kde 3.5
Ernie Schroder wrote: Thank you all for blasting me about how i do things. Im sorry I dont do things the perfect gentoo way you think they should be done. however I feel when KDE releases a new version to the mirrors it is time to install it. I have had discussions about the whole Deep world thing and everytime i have used it in the past it breaks something so i simply do not use it. I sync everyday and emerge -up world my system to see what is coming in or going out on each of my 4 gentoo boxes at home. I was merely offering a suggestion on how to quicky get KDE-3.5 installled. Oh well you run your boxes your way and i will run mine my way. Happy Holidays! LostSon I'm not going to blast you or anything but lets see if I can make this real easy. Can you copy and paste? There is a list on the forums with what you need in package.keywords file. It's here: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-407352-postdays-0-postorder-asc-start-0.html Also read this post I made here. http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-2959637.html#2959637 There are some dependancies in there as well. That should make it as easy as watching the sunset. :) Dale :-) -- To err is human, I'm most certainly human. I have four rigs: 1: Home built; Abit NF7 ver 2.0 w/ AMD 2500+ CPU, 1GB of ram and right now two 80GB hard drives. 2: Home built; Iwill KK266-R w/ AMD 1GHz CPU, 256MBs of ram and a 4GB drive. 3: Home built; Gigabyte GA-71XE4 w/ 800MHz CPU, 128MBs of ram and a 2.5GB drive. 4: Compaq Proliant 6000 Server w/ Quad 200MHz CPUs, 128MBs of ram and a 4.3GB SCSI drive. All run Gentoo Linux, all run folding. #1 is my desktop, 2, 3, and 4 are set up as servers. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting to kde 3.5
051218 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:27:50 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: I consider 'world' an unsatisfactory feature of Gentoo never use it except for 'emerge -Dup world' to get an ordering for updates before emerging some of them individually in a weekly session. No wonder you find world unsatisfactory unless you use --oneshot every time Of course I do, when the package is not already in world or system: there's now an easy abbreviation '-1'. But thanks for pointing out yet another negative feature of 'world' ... Otherwise, I keep a list of all the packages I have installed -- something Gentoo should provide automatically, but 'world' doesn't, Yes it does. world provides a list of all packages YOU have installed. Rubbish ! It doesn't list packages installed in support of another during the same emerge command. qpkg -I equery list find /var/db/pkg -name '*.ebuild' will all do this. Yes exactly, as I said, I started my own list from 'qpkg -I', but that doesn't update the list nor tell me when/why I installed things. Really, I am constantly shocked by the blinkers some people wear: That's the way you're supposed to do it everyone else does. Anyway, enough of this side-issue for now. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting to kde 3.5
Philip Webb schreef: 051218 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:27:50 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: Otherwise, I keep a list of all the packages I have installed -- something Gentoo should provide automatically, but 'world' doesn't, Yes it does. world provides a list of all packages YOU have installed. Rubbish ! It doesn't list packages installed in support of another during the same emerge command. This is exactly what Neil meant... if you install... oh, pysol, and it installs pysol-sound-server in support, only pysol will be written to world, because that is what YOU installed (emerge pysol). You didn't emerge pysol-sound-server explicitly; it was installed as a dependency, and dependencies are not written to your world file. However, if you then unmerge pysol, and run emerge depclean (-p), pysol-sound-server will be listed as eligible to be removed (as an orphaned dependency of an unmerged program formerly in your world file). That's how Portage works. Sorry you don't like it, but claiming that correct instructions on the working of the distribution's tools is just our blinkered opinion about how one is supposed to do it everyone else does is,,, unjustified. But as you say, enough. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting to kde 3.5
On Sunday 18 December 2005 21:20, a tiny voice compelled Holly Bostick to write: That's how Portage works. Sorry you don't like it, but claiming that correct instructions on the working of the distribution's tools is just our blinkered opinion about how one is supposed to do it everyone else does is,,, unjustified. But as you say, enough. Holly The lady has a way with words! -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free 21:43:47 up 10:44, 3 users, load average: 0.08, 0.32, 0.49 Linux 2.6.14-gentoo-r42.6.14-r-4_new i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting to kde 3.5
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:46:27 -0500 Ernie Schroder wrote: But as you say, enough. Holly The lady has a way with words! -- Regards, Ernie particularly for someone from the .nl domain :-/ -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting to kde 3.5
On Saturday 17 December 2005 21:17, Nick Rout wrote: I see a lot of people seem to have upgraded to kde 3.5. I am currently running kde 3.4.1 (installed via kde-meta) and stable is 3.4.3. However reports seem to be that 3.5.0 seems good enuf to work with and I can't be bothered compiling 3.4.3 and then 3.5 later. S, is there an easy way forward? I suspect I could enter a large number of packages as ~x86 in /etc/portage/package.keywords, or I could ask here if there is an easier way. Answers on the back of an envelope etc etc :-) Oh and apologies if this is covered somewhere really basic and I missed it, I did look, honest (and the wiki seems to be down for me today). NRR Hello Simply use ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge kde and let it go -- LostSon http://www.lostsonsvault.org /\ \ \ \__/ \__/ \ \ (oo) (oo) \_\/~~\_/~~\_ _.-~===~-._ (___) \___/ I Want To Believe pgpH4WDmLZKso.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting to kde 3.5
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:33:33 -0600 LostSon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 17 December 2005 21:17, Nick Rout wrote: I see a lot of people seem to have upgraded to kde 3.5. I am currently running kde 3.4.1 (installed via kde-meta) and stable is 3.4.3. However reports seem to be that 3.5.0 seems good enuf to work with and I can't be bothered compiling 3.4.3 and then 3.5 later. S, is there an easy way forward? I suspect I could enter a large number of packages as ~x86 in /etc/portage/package.keywords, or I could ask here if there is an easier way. Answers on the back of an envelope etc etc :-) Oh and apologies if this is covered somewhere really basic and I missed it, I did look, honest (and the wiki seems to be down for me today). NRR Hello Simply use ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge kde and let it go I thought ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 was deprecated? -- LostSon http://www.lostsonsvault.org /\ \ \ \__/ \__/ \ \ (oo) (oo) \_\/~~\_/~~\_ _.-~===~-._ (___) \___/ I Want To Believe -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting to kde 3.5
Nick Rout wrote: I see a lot of people seem to have upgraded to kde 3.5. I am currently running kde 3.4.1 (installed via kde-meta) and stable is 3.4.3. However reports seem to be that 3.5.0 seems good enuf to work with and I can't be bothered compiling 3.4.3 and then 3.5 later. S, is there an easy way forward? I suspect I could enter a large number of packages as ~x86 in /etc/portage/package.keywords, or I could ask here if there is an easier way. Answers on the back of an envelope etc etc :-) Oh and apologies if this is covered somewhere really basic and I missed it, I did look, honest (and the wiki seems to be down for me today). NRR assuming you've done an emerge --sync with the past.. (what is month or so since kde 3.5 was unmasked? ) just run emerge -u kde (u for upgrade or heck even committing the -u, it still should work fine.) Samir -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting to kde 3.5
On 12/17/05, Samir Faci [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: assuming you've done an emerge --sync with the past.. (what is month or so since kde 3.5 was unmasked? ) just run emerge -u kde (u for upgrade or heck even committing the -u, it still should work fine.) You have confused keyword masked with package masked. You still need the ~x86 keyword to use KDE 3.5. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting to kde 3.5
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:41:26 -0600 Samir Faci [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick Rout wrote: I see a lot of people seem to have upgraded to kde 3.5. I am currently running kde 3.4.1 (installed via kde-meta) and stable is 3.4.3. However reports seem to be that 3.5.0 seems good enuf to work with and I can't be bothered compiling 3.4.3 and then 3.5 later. S, is there an easy way forward? I suspect I could enter a large number of packages as ~x86 in /etc/portage/package.keywords, or I could ask here if there is an easier way. Answers on the back of an envelope etc etc :-) Oh and apologies if this is covered somewhere really basic and I missed it, I did look, honest (and the wiki seems to be down for me today). NRR assuming you've done an emerge --sync with the past.. (what is month or so since kde 3.5 was unmasked? ) it doesn't look unmasked to me http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstring=kde-meta just run emerge -u kde (u for upgrade or heck even committing the -u, it still should work fine.) Samir -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting to kde 3.5
On Saturday 17 December 2005 22:57, a tiny voice compelled Richard Fish to
write:
On 12/17/05, LostSon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Saturday 17 December 2005 21:17, Nick Rout wrote:
I see a lot of people seem to have upgraded to kde 3.5.
I am currently running kde 3.4.1 (installed via kde-meta) and stable is
3.4.3. However reports seem to be that 3.5.0 seems good enuf to work
with and I can't be bothered compiling 3.4.3 and then 3.5 later.
S, is there an easy way forward? I suspect I could enter a large
number of packages as ~x86 in /etc/portage/package.keywords, or I could
ask here if there is an easier way.
Answers on the back of an envelope etc etc :-)
Oh and apologies if this is covered somewhere really basic and I missed
it, I did look, honest (and the wiki seems to be down for me today).
NRR
Hello
Simply use
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge kde
Except the next time you want to emerge -Duv world, it will want to
downgrade. Assuming you don't want a full ~x86 version, do:
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge -p kde-meta
This will give a list of all packages to add to
/etc/portage/package.keywords. You can even automate this with:
for x in `ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge -p kde-meta | awk '{ print $4
}' | grep /`
do
echo $x ~x86 /etc/portage/package.keywords
done
-Richard
Take it from me, do it as Richard says or you'll be in for a severe shock next
emerge -ua world. I had to downgrade 72 packages that were brought in when I
put ACCEPT_KEYWORDS on the command line.
Wait til Holly sees this grin
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