Re: [gentoo-user] Is gentoo-portage and gentoo-wiki offline?
>> I generally try to update the docs with recent packages every six >> months or so though I am guilty of letting them sit a bit longer. >> However Gentoo has no official Bind documentation. The official Gentoo >> Virtual Mail how-to offers about half the functionality, explanation, >> and troubleshooting info in my doc. Also the Gentoo virtual mail server >> has remained essentially unchanged in the last six years whereas my doc >> has continued to change and improve. And while we're being honest my >> virtual server build kicks the crap out of the official one in just >> about every way. > > Well that's a very useful contribution and deserves thanks. Let me also give some thanks to this good man. > Therein lies the rub. The OP stated upfront that he is new to Gentoo. The > chances of him being able to find the gems amongst the chaff are reduced. > Better to advise him to stay away until he is in a position to evaluate these > things. If he's in that position right now, then he deserves to know what the > overall quality is. I have had a good experience with gentoo-wiki, and I have seen it praised. This is the first time I've seen a person claiming it is bad quality. > > For the record, it's grossly unfair for others to *expect* you to update the > official docs just because you know the subject. "why not update the Gentoo > docs if you're so darn smart" is likely to produce "stuff off!" responses. > Much better for people to ask nicely, say please, and be cool with the answer Certainly; the internet is known for, unfortunately, stimulating personal conflicts.
Re: [gentoo-user] Is gentoo-portage and gentoo-wiki offline?
On Saturday 18 October 2008 23:31:56 kashani wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Friday 17 October 2008 23:27:44 RYAN vAN GINNEKEN wrote: > >> heehee have been wanting to get onboard with gentoo for a while now how > >> ironic that the wiki site i was so looking forward to using is down the > >> same day my gentoo box is up heehee. > > > > Let's see, how shall I put this? Oh stuff it, might as well be honest. > > > > gentoo-wiki.com is notorious for being up and down more often than you > > change your underwear. It's also been compromised at least twice in the > > last 12 months. The home page was last updated so long ago I'm no longer > > sure if it was still in this millenniume. > > As the fellow who maintains the Bind and Postfix w/PostfixAdmin how-tos > on the wiki I take a small amount of umbrage with the above statements. > > :-) Also my Bind how-to was added to the front page after I updated it > > in July. It would be entirely unreasonable of me to say that because I think the overall quality of the wiki is low that therefore every document in it is just as poor. You just proved that :-) I maintain the wiki at work which serves the entire company (1000+ employees). My team has our own section, which is well maintained. 50% of the other sections are of appalling quality. So I too know what it's like. > I generally try to update the docs with recent packages every six > months or so though I am guilty of letting them sit a bit longer. > However Gentoo has no official Bind documentation. The official Gentoo > Virtual Mail how-to offers about half the functionality, explanation, > and troubleshooting info in my doc. Also the Gentoo virtual mail server > has remained essentially unchanged in the last six years whereas my doc > has continued to change and improve. And while we're being honest my > virtual server build kicks the crap out of the official one in just > about every way. Well that's a very useful contribution and deserves thanks. Unfortunately for me, I have no need to read them. I don't need domain or mail servers (never mind virtual mail) at home, and at work we use Postfix for mail, bind for the authoritative domain servers and cns for the caches - all on FreeBSD > > I won't say that all docs on gentoo-wiki are of this quality or better > than the Gentoo docs, but you will be missing out on some genuinely > useful information by dismissing the gentoo-wiki out of hand. Therein lies the rub. The OP stated upfront that he is new to Gentoo. The chances of him being able to find the gems amongst the chaff are reduced. Better to advise him to stay away until he is in a position to evaluate these things. If he's in that position right now, then he deserves to know what the overall quality is. > In regards to the soon to be asked "why not update the Gentoo docs if > you're so darn smart" question going through a number of heads. In real > life I manage just over 7000 servers as part of a larger group and am > directly responsible for a bit over 1500 of them. I can devote an hour > or two every couple of months to updating my home Gentoo box and fixing > my wiki entries or I can fight with Guide XML for three or four hours > and generally produce nothing useful. 1500? And here was me thinking I was in good shape looking after a mere 125... For the record, it's grossly unfair for others to *expect* you to update the official docs just because you know the subject. "why not update the Gentoo docs if you're so darn smart" is likely to produce "stuff off!" responses. Much better for people to ask nicely, say please, and be cool with the answer -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Is gentoo-portage and gentoo-wiki offline?
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 17 October 2008 23:27:44 RYAN vAN GINNEKEN wrote: heehee have been wanting to get onboard with gentoo for a while now how ironic that the wiki site i was so looking forward to using is down the same day my gentoo box is up heehee. Let's see, how shall I put this? Oh stuff it, might as well be honest. gentoo-wiki.com is notorious for being up and down more often than you change your underwear. It's also been compromised at least twice in the last 12 months. The home page was last updated so long ago I'm no longer sure if it was still in this millennium. As the fellow who maintains the Bind and Postfix w/PostfixAdmin how-tos on the wiki I take a small amount of umbrage with the above statements. :-) Also my Bind how-to was added to the front page after I updated it in July. I generally try to update the docs with recent packages every six months or so though I am guilty of letting them sit a bit longer. However Gentoo has no official Bind documentation. The official Gentoo Virtual Mail how-to offers about half the functionality, explanation, and troubleshooting info in my doc. Also the Gentoo virtual mail server has remained essentially unchanged in the last six years whereas my doc has continued to change and improve. And while we're being honest my virtual server build kicks the crap out of the official one in just about every way. I won't say that all docs on gentoo-wiki are of this quality or better than the Gentoo docs, but you will be missing out on some genuinely useful information by dismissing the gentoo-wiki out of hand. In regards to the soon to be asked "why not update the Gentoo docs if you're so darn smart" question going through a number of heads. In real life I manage just over 7000 servers as part of a larger group and am directly responsible for a bit over 1500 of them. I can devote an hour or two every couple of months to updating my home Gentoo box and fixing my wiki entries or I can fight with Guide XML for three or four hours and generally produce nothing useful. kashani http://gentoo-wiki.com/index.php?title=HOWTO_Setup_a_DNS_Server_with_BIND http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_a_Virtual_Postfix/Courier_Mail_System_with_PostfixAdmin
Re: [gentoo-user] Is gentoo-portage and gentoo-wiki offline?
Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > Don't let this put you off - Gentoo is great, the wiki is just not so great. > > Cheers > alan > > +1 The official Gentoo docs are some of the best there is, period. Some docs may be a little late in showing sometimes but they work very well. The mailing lists and forums work very well for those unique situations you may run into. I always thought you ate a elephant one bite at a time. Never knew you started at the snot tube. Gross. The other end ain't no better tho. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Is gentoo-portage and gentoo-wiki offline?
On Friday 17 October 2008 23:27:44 RYAN vAN GINNEKEN wrote: > heehee have been wanting to get onboard with gentoo for a while now how > ironic that the wiki site i was so looking forward to using is down the > same day my gentoo box is up heehee. Let's see, how shall I put this? Oh stuff it, might as well be honest. gentoo-wiki.com is notorious for being up and down more often than you change your underwear. It's also been compromised at least twice in the last 12 months. The home page was last updated so long ago I'm no longer sure if it was still in this millenium. The content on it is even less reliable than the nonsense you will find spouted off on Ubuntu forums (and that's saying something...) For someone starting out with Gentoo I would be inclined to persuade you[1] to avoid gentoo-wiki at all costs for a while. The real info, the true stuff, is to be found on the official Gentoo site and right here on this list (of course!) Don't let this put you off - Gentoo is great, the wiki is just not so great. Cheers alan [1] This step is often successfully completed by application of a very big stick :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Is gentoo-portage and gentoo-wiki offline?
heehee have been wanting to get onboard with gentoo for a while now how ironic that the wiki site i was so looking forward to using is down the same day my gentoo box is up heehee. ps the bsd like nature of gentoo did it for me or was it that super cool spaceship logo probably the more the logo. I love spaceships Computer King & CaN Mail - Sales Service Hosting Backup http://www.computerking.ca http://www.canmail.org NEW!!! Custom Service Packages Secure IMAP Email - Automated Remote Backups - Photo Blogs - Online Accounting Packages - "Alan McKinnon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 17 October 2008 21:45:05 Dale wrote: > > Norberto Bensa wrote: > > > it will take a few > > > weeks. > > > > Weeks? That's funny as heck right there. Git-r-done . . . . > slowly. > > > > Reminds me of the joke, how do you eat a elephant? > > by starting at the trunk? > > > -- > alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Is gentoo-portage and gentoo-wiki offline?
On Friday 17 October 2008 21:45:05 Dale wrote: > Norberto Bensa wrote: > > it will take a few > > weeks. > > Weeks? That's funny as heck right there. Git-r-done . . . . slowly. > > Reminds me of the joke, how do you eat a elephant? by starting at the trunk? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Is gentoo-portage and gentoo-wiki offline?
Norberto Bensa wrote: > > it will take a few > weeks. > > > > Weeks? That's funny as heck right there. Git-r-done . . . . slowly. Reminds me of the joke, how do you eat a elephant? Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Is gentoo-portage and gentoo-wiki offline?
KH wrote: Hi, I cannot reach: http://gentoo-portage.com/ http://gentoo-wiki.com Are those websites off the air right now? Does anybody know when they will be back? Are there any substitutes to those web pages? I still miss packages.gentoo.org as it used to be :-( see also: http://packages.larrythecow.org/ kh The domain was allowed to expire first. I see it's been given another year. The current problem is neither of the nameservers listed for it reply, they just time out. Also to be clear, these are run by someone outside of gentoo.
Re: [gentoo-user] Is gentoo-portage and gentoo-wiki offline?
On Friday 17 October 2008 06:09:20 am Norberto Bensa wrote: > On Friday October 17 2008 07:56:10 Dale wrote: > > Not sure what the problem is tho. > > They're compiling 2.6.27-gentoo with -j11 on the same box that runs wiki; > which, btw, is a 386sx with 4MB of RAM. Please be patient, it will take a > few weeks. Is this computer (term used lightly), in the USA ? Steve --
Re: [gentoo-user] Is gentoo-portage and gentoo-wiki offline?
Looks like they're both down for me too. For future reference, this site is extraordinarily useful... http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ KH wrote: > Hi, > > I cannot reach: > > http://gentoo-portage.com/ > http://gentoo-wiki.com > > Are those websites off the air right now? Does anybody know when they > will be back? > Are there any substitutes to those web pages? I still miss > packages.gentoo.org as it used to be :-( > > see also: > http://packages.larrythecow.org/ > > kh > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Is gentoo-portage and gentoo-wiki offline?
On Friday October 17 2008 07:56:10 Dale wrote: > Not sure what the problem is tho. They're compiling 2.6.27-gentoo with -j11 on the same box that runs wiki; which, btw, is a 386sx with 4MB of RAM. Please be patient, it will take a few weeks.
Re: [gentoo-user] Is gentoo-portage and gentoo-wiki offline?
KH wrote: > Hi, > > I cannot reach: > > http://gentoo-portage.com/ > http://gentoo-wiki.com > > Are those websites off the air right now? Does anybody know when they > will be back? > Are there any substitutes to those web pages? I still miss > packages.gentoo.org as it used to be :-( > > see also: > http://packages.larrythecow.org/ > > kh > > > Mississippi USA reporting here. Nothing here either. Seamonkey reports "looking up " then nothing. Not sure what the problem is tho. Dale :-) :-)
