Re: [gentoo-user] NVidia setup instructions?
On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 14:25 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: Hi, Is this the right page to follow for up-to-date installation instructions for a 6200-based card? http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/nvidia-guide.xml If it is then is it at all out of date in terms of xorg.conf setup for the newer xorg-server/hald setup, or is it OK? I have the PCI version of the 6200, and I can confirm that 180.29 (stable for my arch) work great as well as the vesa framebuffer. I had problems with the uvesa framebuffer a few kernels back, and never got it to work, though I haven't tried since. The rest of the nvidia guide looks good, though I do not use the same options as the guide for my xorg.conf configuration. For example, I've never had to set the VideoRam option in the device section, and set things such as NoLogo, RenderAccel, etc in the screen section. Take a look at [1] for all the options. That's the amd64 version, though it should be similar if not the same for other architectures. I don't use hal, so I cannot comment on that. I would recommend using the nvidia-xconfig utility to configure another xorg.conf once you get a basic X display running. It works pretty well, particularly regarding 3D settings and multiple monitors, so it's a good starting point from which to customize. [1]: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/180.29/README/appendix-b.html Regards, Brandon Vargo
Re: [gentoo-user] NVidia setup instructions?
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Brandon Vargo brandon.va...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 14:25 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: Hi, Is this the right page to follow for up-to-date installation instructions for a 6200-based card? http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/nvidia-guide.xml If it is then is it at all out of date in terms of xorg.conf setup for the newer xorg-server/hald setup, or is it OK? I have the PCI version of the 6200, and I can confirm that 180.29 (stable for my arch) work great as well as the vesa framebuffer. I had problems with the uvesa framebuffer a few kernels back, and never got it to work, though I haven't tried since. The rest of the nvidia guide looks good, though I do not use the same options as the guide for my xorg.conf configuration. For example, I've never had to set the VideoRam option in the device section, and set things such as NoLogo, RenderAccel, etc in the screen section. Take a look at [1] for all the options. That's the amd64 version, though it should be similar if not the same for other architectures. I don't use hal, so I cannot comment on that. I would recommend using the nvidia-xconfig utility to configure another xorg.conf once you get a basic X display running. It works pretty well, particularly regarding 3D settings and multiple monitors, so it's a good starting point from which to customize. [1]: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/180.29/README/appendix-b.html Regards, Brandon Vargo Thanks Brandon. I'm up in X now on the 6200 AGP so it's functional. glxgears seems sort of slow at about 230FPS but I probably don't have things set up right yet. I had questions about the setup instructions as I went through it. 1) Do you completely drop out DRI support in the kernel? Seems this document says not to load the dri driver in xconf and it wasn't shown in the kernel options so I took it out. Maybe that should be enabled? 2) I used to have /dev/agpgart and framebuffer suppport as modular but this setup doc seemed to go with built-in so I switched to that. I do have the Intel chipset AGP GART support as modular and it does load OK. Not sure if I should use that or NVidia's? No problems getting the card up and running. Now it's a matter of figuring out how to do it right. I am using hald but it wouldn't load the nvidia driver automatically, opting for the nv driver. Do you have that problem? Should I put it in modules.autoload? Again, thanks for the pointers. Cheers, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] NVidia setup instructions?
On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 15:24 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: Thanks Brandon. I'm up in X now on the 6200 AGP so it's functional. glxgears seems sort of slow at about 230FPS but I probably don't have things set up right yet. I had questions about the setup instructions as I went through it. 1) Do you completely drop out DRI support in the kernel? Seems this document says not to load the dri driver in xconf and it wasn't shown in the kernel options so I took it out. Maybe that should be enabled? I do not have direct rendering enabled in my kernel, and I have never heard of it being needed for nvidia cards. The nvidia kernel module takes care of that as far as I know. 2) I used to have /dev/agpgart and framebuffer suppport as modular but this setup doc seemed to go with built-in so I switched to that. I do have the Intel chipset AGP GART support as modular and it does load OK. Not sure if I should use that or NVidia's? I have always compiled the framebuffer support into the kernel so that I can use it for the console when the system starts booting, before any modules are loaded. I've never tried to compile it as a module. Regardless, if the module is going to be loaded anyways every time you boot, and you don't have any special options to pass to the module, it's usually best to compile into the kernel. I'm not familiar with AGP, as my system does not support it, nor have I ever used Intel graphics in conjunction with any other graphics chips, sorry. No problems getting the card up and running. Now it's a matter of figuring out how to do it right. I am using hald but it wouldn't load the nvidia driver automatically, opting for the nv driver. Do you have that problem? Should I put it in modules.autoload? I had this problem with a NVidia 9600 GSO in a machine I was setting up as part of a computational cluster when trying to use X's autoconfiguration (no xorg.conf at all). X would try to load the nv driver, even though I had not even compiled it. Creating a simple xorg.conf and specifying the nvidia driver in a device section loaded the nvidia driver fine. modules.autoload should not be necessary. The nvidia module should be automatically loaded when X starts with the nvidia driver. Regards, Brandon Vargo
Re: [gentoo-user] NVidia setup instructions?
On Dienstag 05 Mai 2009, Mark Knecht wrote: On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Brandon Vargo brandon.va...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 14:25 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: Hi, Is this the right page to follow for up-to-date installation instructions for a 6200-based card? http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/nvidia-guide.xml If it is then is it at all out of date in terms of xorg.conf setup for the newer xorg-server/hald setup, or is it OK? I have the PCI version of the 6200, and I can confirm that 180.29 (stable for my arch) work great as well as the vesa framebuffer. I had problems with the uvesa framebuffer a few kernels back, and never got it to work, though I haven't tried since. The rest of the nvidia guide looks good, though I do not use the same options as the guide for my xorg.conf configuration. For example, I've never had to set the VideoRam option in the device section, and set things such as NoLogo, RenderAccel, etc in the screen section. Take a look at [1] for all the options. That's the amd64 version, though it should be similar if not the same for other architectures. I don't use hal, so I cannot comment on that. I would recommend using the nvidia-xconfig utility to configure another xorg.conf once you get a basic X display running. It works pretty well, particularly regarding 3D settings and multiple monitors, so it's a good starting point from which to customize. [1]: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/180.29/README/appendix -b.html Regards, Brandon Vargo Thanks Brandon. I'm up in X now on the 6200 AGP so it's functional. glxgears seems sort of slow at about 230FPS but I probably don't have things set up right yet. I had questions about the setup instructions as I went through it. 1) Do you completely drop out DRI support in the kernel? Seems this document says not to load the dri driver in xconf and it wasn't shown in the kernel options so I took it out. Maybe that should be enabled? no. Nvidia uses its own stuff. No need for dri in kernel. 2) I used to have /dev/agpgart and framebuffer suppport as modular but this setup doc seemed to go with built-in so I switched to that. I do have the Intel chipset AGP GART support as modular and it does load OK. Not sure if I should use that or NVidia's? no, you should use the kernel agpgart. Nvagp is a remnant from former times when there were bugs with certain chipsets and agpgart versions. Times long gone. Even nvidia devs tell you on nvnews to use agpgart and only switch to nvagp if that really does not work. No problems getting the card up and running. Now it's a matter of figuring out how to do it right. I am using hald but it wouldn't load the nvidia driver automatically, opting for the nv driver. Do you have that problem? Should I put it in modules.autoload? no. Just put the nvidia module in xorg.conf. Also make sure you set the right opengl version with eselect. At the end don't forget that the 6200 is a very slow card. glxinfo and nvidia-settings can help you detect problems.
Re: [gentoo-user] NVidia setup instructions?
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: On Dienstag 05 Mai 2009, Mark Knecht wrote: On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Brandon Vargo brandon.va...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 14:25 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: Hi, Is this the right page to follow for up-to-date installation instructions for a 6200-based card? http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/nvidia-guide.xml If it is then is it at all out of date in terms of xorg.conf setup for the newer xorg-server/hald setup, or is it OK? I have the PCI version of the 6200, and I can confirm that 180.29 (stable for my arch) work great as well as the vesa framebuffer. I had problems with the uvesa framebuffer a few kernels back, and never got it to work, though I haven't tried since. The rest of the nvidia guide looks good, though I do not use the same options as the guide for my xorg.conf configuration. For example, I've never had to set the VideoRam option in the device section, and set things such as NoLogo, RenderAccel, etc in the screen section. Take a look at [1] for all the options. That's the amd64 version, though it should be similar if not the same for other architectures. I don't use hal, so I cannot comment on that. I would recommend using the nvidia-xconfig utility to configure another xorg.conf once you get a basic X display running. It works pretty well, particularly regarding 3D settings and multiple monitors, so it's a good starting point from which to customize. [1]: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/180.29/README/appendix -b.html Regards, Brandon Vargo Thanks Brandon. I'm up in X now on the 6200 AGP so it's functional. glxgears seems sort of slow at about 230FPS but I probably don't have things set up right yet. I had questions about the setup instructions as I went through it. 1) Do you completely drop out DRI support in the kernel? Seems this document says not to load the dri driver in xconf and it wasn't shown in the kernel options so I took it out. Maybe that should be enabled? no. Nvidia uses its own stuff. No need for dri in kernel. Without DRI in the kernel I got an error message when running glxinfo | grep direct. Once I put nvidia in xorg.conf it loaded automatically. That seems inconsistent with this new push to use hald and no xorg.conf. 2) I used to have /dev/agpgart and framebuffer suppport as modular but this setup doc seemed to go with built-in so I switched to that. I do have the Intel chipset AGP GART support as modular and it does load OK. Not sure if I should use that or NVidia's? no, you should use the kernel agpgart. Nvagp is a remnant from former times when there were bugs with certain chipsets and agpgart versions. Times long gone. Even nvidia devs tell you on nvnews to use agpgart and only switch to nvagp if that really does not work. No problems getting the card up and running. Now it's a matter of figuring out how to do it right. I am using hald but it wouldn't load the nvidia driver automatically, opting for the nv driver. Do you have that problem? Should I put it in modules.autoload? no. Just put the nvidia module in xorg.conf. Also make sure you set the right opengl version with eselect. At the end don't forget that the 6200 is a very slow card. Very slow? Compared to a 9600? Yes. Compared to a Riva? No. It's all relative. I just require it to work and play MythTV for my wife. Nothing more. glxinfo and nvidia-settings can help you detect problems. emerge word going on now. I'll try out nvidia-settings soon. Thanks, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] NVidia setup instructions?
On Dienstag 05 Mai 2009, Mark Knecht wrote: On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: On Dienstag 05 Mai 2009, Mark Knecht wrote: On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Brandon Vargo brandon.va...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 14:25 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: Hi, Is this the right page to follow for up-to-date installation instructions for a 6200-based card? http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/nvidia-guide.xml If it is then is it at all out of date in terms of xorg.conf setup for the newer xorg-server/hald setup, or is it OK? I have the PCI version of the 6200, and I can confirm that 180.29 (stable for my arch) work great as well as the vesa framebuffer. I had problems with the uvesa framebuffer a few kernels back, and never got it to work, though I haven't tried since. The rest of the nvidia guide looks good, though I do not use the same options as the guide for my xorg.conf configuration. For example, I've never had to set the VideoRam option in the device section, and set things such as NoLogo, RenderAccel, etc in the screen section. Take a look at [1] for all the options. That's the amd64 version, though it should be similar if not the same for other architectures. I don't use hal, so I cannot comment on that. I would recommend using the nvidia-xconfig utility to configure another xorg.conf once you get a basic X display running. It works pretty well, particularly regarding 3D settings and multiple monitors, so it's a good starting point from which to customize. [1]: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/180.29/README/appen dix -b.html Regards, Brandon Vargo Thanks Brandon. I'm up in X now on the 6200 AGP so it's functional. glxgears seems sort of slow at about 230FPS but I probably don't have things set up right yet. I had questions about the setup instructions as I went through it. 1) Do you completely drop out DRI support in the kernel? Seems this document says not to load the dri driver in xconf and it wasn't shown in the kernel options so I took it out. Maybe that should be enabled? no. Nvidia uses its own stuff. No need for dri in kernel. Without DRI in the kernel I got an error message when running glxinfo | grep direct. Once I put nvidia in xorg.conf it loaded automatically. That seems inconsistent with this new push to use hald and no xorg.conf. you need to have consolekit running before X starts to have working direct rendering.
Re: [gentoo-user] NVidia setup instructions?
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Dienstag 05 Mai 2009, Mark Knecht wrote:
SNIP
Thanks Brandon. I'm up in X now on the 6200 AGP so it's functional.
glxgears seems sort of slow at about 230FPS but I probably don't have
things set up right yet.
I had questions about the setup instructions as I went through it.
1) Do you completely drop out DRI support in the kernel? Seems this
document says not to load the dri driver in xconf and it wasn't shown
in the kernel options so I took it out. Maybe that should be enabled?
no. Nvidia uses its own stuff. No need for dri in kernel.
Without DRI in the kernel I got an error message when running glxinfo
| grep direct.
Once I put nvidia in xorg.conf it loaded automatically. That seems
inconsistent with this new push to use hald and no xorg.conf.
you need to have consolekit running before X starts to have working direct
rendering.
The Gentoo page I am following makes no mention of 'consolekit':
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/nvidia-guide.xml
It is installed but it's not set in rc-update to run at all. Should
this be boot or default?
dragonfly ~ # eix -I consolekit
[I] sys-auth/consolekit
Available versions: 0.2.3 0.2.10 ~0.2.10-r1 ~0.3.0 ~0.3.0-r1
{debug doc pam policykit}
Installed versions: 0.2.10(02:17:12 PM 04/20/2009)(pam -debug)
Homepage:http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit
Description: Framework for defining and tracking users,
login sessions and seats.
dragonfly ~ #
Thanks,
Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] NVidia setup instructions?
On Dienstag 05 Mai 2009, Mark Knecht wrote:
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Dienstag 05 Mai 2009, Mark Knecht wrote:
SNIP
Thanks Brandon. I'm up in X now on the 6200 AGP so it's functional.
glxgears seems sort of slow at about 230FPS but I probably don't have
things set up right yet.
I had questions about the setup instructions as I went through it.
1) Do you completely drop out DRI support in the kernel? Seems this
document says not to load the dri driver in xconf and it wasn't shown
in the kernel options so I took it out. Maybe that should be enabled?
no. Nvidia uses its own stuff. No need for dri in kernel.
Without DRI in the kernel I got an error message when running glxinfo
| grep direct.
Once I put nvidia in xorg.conf it loaded automatically. That seems
inconsistent with this new push to use hald and no xorg.conf.
you need to have consolekit running before X starts to have working
direct rendering.
The Gentoo page I am following makes no mention of 'consolekit':
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/nvidia-guide.xml
It is installed but it's not set in rc-update to run at all. Should
this be boot or default?
dragonfly ~ # eix -I consolekit
[I] sys-auth/consolekit
Available versions: 0.2.3 0.2.10 ~0.2.10-r1 ~0.3.0 ~0.3.0-r1
{debug doc pam policykit}
Installed versions: 0.2.10(02:17:12 PM 04/20/2009)(pam -debug)
Homepage:
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit Description:
Framework for defining and tracking users, login sessions and seats.
dragonfly ~ #
Thanks,
Mark
default. And it is a recent development.
Re: [gentoo-user] NVidia setup instructions?
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Dienstag 05 Mai 2009, Mark Knecht wrote:
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Dienstag 05 Mai 2009, Mark Knecht wrote:
SNIP
Thanks Brandon. I'm up in X now on the 6200 AGP so it's functional.
glxgears seems sort of slow at about 230FPS but I probably don't have
things set up right yet.
I had questions about the setup instructions as I went through it.
1) Do you completely drop out DRI support in the kernel? Seems this
document says not to load the dri driver in xconf and it wasn't shown
in the kernel options so I took it out. Maybe that should be enabled?
no. Nvidia uses its own stuff. No need for dri in kernel.
Without DRI in the kernel I got an error message when running glxinfo
| grep direct.
Once I put nvidia in xorg.conf it loaded automatically. That seems
inconsistent with this new push to use hald and no xorg.conf.
you need to have consolekit running before X starts to have working
direct rendering.
The Gentoo page I am following makes no mention of 'consolekit':
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/nvidia-guide.xml
It is installed but it's not set in rc-update to run at all. Should
this be boot or default?
dragonfly ~ # eix -I consolekit
[I] sys-auth/consolekit
Available versions: 0.2.3 0.2.10 ~0.2.10-r1 ~0.3.0 ~0.3.0-r1
{debug doc pam policykit}
Installed versions: 0.2.10(02:17:12 PM 04/20/2009)(pam -debug)
Homepage:
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit Description:
Framework for defining and tracking users, login sessions and seats.
dragonfly ~ #
Thanks,
Mark
default. And it is a recent development.
Thanks. glxgears now does 2500FPS instead of 230 so that's a nice improvement.
MythTV once again works after the Intel driver got messed up forcing
me to switch to a newer card.
WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) once again high after a 3 week low point
in her years on Gentoo.
I appreciate your help,
Mark
