Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Another hardware thread
Am 2011-11-16 01:20, schrieb Neil Bothwick: On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 00:51:44 +0100, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: I play with the thought of getting myself a nice new machine for work, better to spend some money on hardware than on taxes (2012 is near ...). My thoughts exactly. Same world ;-) Performance is one issue, another one is energy/noise ... the phenom 1090t seems to pull in a lot and need good (and maybe noisy) fans. I'll be using my existing water cooling setup, so no need to worry about that. However, after some research, I've decided to stick with Intel and orders an i7 2600k today. I wasn't sure whether it was worth the extra over the i5, but knew I would only regret it the first time I had to wait for something. I rationalised the cost by getting only 8GB of RAM, but leaving the slots free for another 8GB should I feel the need for it. I am more Intel-biased also, as I always chose Intel for my own boxes. I quickly clicked a new box together in some online configurator, the difference between 8G and 12G wasn't too much, I could get that in by downgrading a bit on the graphics card (which even in the lower version would be much more powerful than the one I have right now). I use 8G now and it rarely gets really to full use. It just doesn't feel too clever to not take one step up when buying new stuff ;-) Very often one looks back a year after and regrets I should have chosen the bigger CPU, more RAM, whatever I will decide the RAM-issue when I order. I just start to compare. 6 cores, yep, sounds good for both gentoo-compile-work and VMs ... The Intel chips are only four cores, but appear to give a lot more bang-per-core, especially with the i7's hyperthreading. yep. That would mean 8 threads w/ i7 (4 real and 4 hyper) vs. 6 real threads w/ amd? I also tend to i7 2600k, some reviews look very good. I will see what your reports tell us :-) Stefan
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Another hardware thread
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:56:39 +0100, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Very often one looks back a year after and regrets I should have chosen the bigger CPU, more RAM, whatever I will decide the RAM-issue when I order. That's why I switched the money from RAM to CPU. If I want more RAM I can buy it later. Upgrading a CPU is not so cost-effective :( -- Neil Bothwick In possession of a mind not merely twisted, but actually sprained. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Another hardware thread
Am 16.11.2011 11:09, schrieb Neil Bothwick: On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:56:39 +0100, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Very often one looks back a year after and regrets I should have chosen the bigger CPU, more RAM, whatever I will decide the RAM-issue when I order. That's why I switched the money from RAM to CPU. If I want more RAM I can buy it later. Upgrading a CPU is not so cost-effective :( good point, yes. You only upgrade CPU and board now and re-use cooling etc ?
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Another hardware thread
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 12:11:25 +0100, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: You only upgrade CPU and board now and re-use cooling etc ? Why not? The cooling I have is already more than my CPU needs and, most importantly, is extremely quiet. The loudest noise on my PC is the hard drive stepper motors. I also have new hard drives, but I bought those a couple of weeks ago, just before the prices went ballistic. -- Neil Bothwick Irritable? Who the bloody hell are you calling irritable? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Another hardware thread
Am 2011-11-16 12:25, schrieb Neil Bothwick: On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 12:11:25 +0100, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: You only upgrade CPU and board now and re-use cooling etc ? Why not? The cooling I have is already more than my CPU needs and, most importantly, is extremely quiet. The loudest noise on my PC is the hard drive stepper motors. my ssd died lately :-( *that* was quiet (turned down the hdds when not needed) I also have new hard drives, but I bought those a couple of weeks ago, just before the prices went ballistic. Same here, 2x1TB are enough in my workstation, more stuff in the basement. I just wonder which i7-2xxx to choose. I read: K processors do not support Intel TXT, Intel VT-d [3] and vPro.[4] ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_i7_microprocessors#.22Sandy_Bridge.22_.2832_nm.29 ) For KVM I need VT-x ... OK, I assume VT-d is nice to have, but not needed? I ask myself if I need the K-version at all, I don't want to overclock ... - Did you also consider the newer i7-2700k? Maybe too expensive because it's so new. And I assume it's not that much faster. Although I only assume that, I have to research it ... Stefan
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Another hardware thread
Am 2011-11-13 12:56, schrieb Neil Bothwick: General desktop use, but that does include some image processing and plenty of virtualisation. It will also be a build host for some lower powered Gentoo systems, so fast compile times, and plenty of cores, are advantages. Nearly the same use here, KVM-virtualization, still one VMware-player-driven-VM I play with the thought of getting myself a nice new machine for work, better to spend some money on hardware than on taxes (2012 is near ...). Performance is one issue, another one is energy/noise ... the phenom 1090t seems to pull in a lot and need good (and maybe noisy) fans. I just start to compare. 6 cores, yep, sounds good for both gentoo-compile-work and VMs ... Stefan
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Another hardware thread
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 00:51:44 +0100, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: I play with the thought of getting myself a nice new machine for work, better to spend some money on hardware than on taxes (2012 is near ...). My thoughts exactly. Performance is one issue, another one is energy/noise ... the phenom 1090t seems to pull in a lot and need good (and maybe noisy) fans. I'll be using my existing water cooling setup, so no need to worry about that. However, after some research, I've decided to stick with Intel and orders an i7 2600k today. I wasn't sure whether it was worth the extra over the i5, but knew I would only regret it the first time I had to wait for something. I rationalised the cost by getting only 8GB of RAM, but leaving the slots free for another 8GB should I feel the need for it. I just start to compare. 6 cores, yep, sounds good for both gentoo-compile-work and VMs ... The Intel chips are only four cores, but appear to give a lot more bang-per-core, especially with the i7's hyperthreading. -- Neil Bothwick If you consult enough experts, you can confirm any opinion. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Another hardware thread
Performance is one issue, another one is energy/noise ... the phenom 1090t seems to pull in a lot and need good (and maybe noisy) fans. I've just bought a 965 (a 1100T wouldn't boot despite being supported by the latest bios). The CPU fan is very quiet when the system is idling, but spins up and gets noisy when working hard.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Another hardware thread
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 00:11:11 -0200, Érico Porto wrote: What kind of computer are you looking for? If you are not a gamer but do like to watch high res videos, go for a fanless video board. If you like to do image processing, nvidia boards are also a good idea because of CUDA capabilities.. General desktop use, but that does include some image processing and plenty of virtualisation. It will also be a build host for some lower powered Gentoo systems, so fast compile times, and plenty of cores, are advantages. -- Neil Bothwick DOS never says EXCELLENT command or filename... signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Another hardware thread
On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 23:00:15 +0200, masterprometheus wrote: For AMD I'd recommend to go for a 960T : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103995 It's a 95W and as a Zosma it's actually a 6-core. Most of those (not all unfortunately) can be unlocked to a 6-core. Has Turbo functionality. That sounds like a poor gamble. A 3.0GHz CPu that I may be able to unlock to 6 cores for £20 less than a genuine 6 cores 3.2GHz 1090T. I either get slightly less for slightly less, or a lot less for slightly less :( -- Neil Bothwick God created the world in six days. On the seventh day he also decided to create England... just to try out his Practical Joke Weather Machine. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Another hardware thread
masterprometheus wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: I'm thinking Gigabyte for motherboard, based on comments made here in similar threads (like the one Dale started a while ago). I highly recommend Gigabyte. My mobo has been great. Everything runs cool and stable but I don't overclock either. This mobo will but I just don't use that feature. I'm not saying anything bad about ASUS just that I don't have a lot of experience with it. I have messed with one once for a friend, He worked fine and no complaints. I only had it for a couple days tho. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Another hardware thread
I have a asus board that does some pretty fair work on overclocking, but it had a feature called Everyready, an feature to boot and load a webbrowser or some games in 6 seconds.. But it crashed after the first bios update.. Érico V. Porto On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 11:46 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: masterprometheus wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: I'm thinking Gigabyte for motherboard, based on comments made here in similar threads (like the one Dale started a while ago). I highly recommend Gigabyte. My mobo has been great. Everything runs cool and stable but I don't overclock either. This mobo will but I just don't use that feature. I'm not saying anything bad about ASUS just that I don't have a lot of experience with it. I have messed with one once for a friend, He worked fine and no complaints. I only had it for a couple days tho. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Another hardware thread
What kind of computer are you looking for? If you are not a gamer but do like to watch high res videos, go for a fanless video board. If you like to do image processing, nvidia boards are also a good idea because of CUDA capabilities.. Érico V. Porto On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Érico Porto ericoporto2...@gmail.comwrote: I have a asus board that does some pretty fair work on overclocking, but it had a feature called Everyready, an feature to boot and load a webbrowser or some games in 6 seconds.. But it crashed after the first bios update.. Érico V. Porto On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 11:46 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: masterprometheus wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: I'm thinking Gigabyte for motherboard, based on comments made here in similar threads (like the one Dale started a while ago). I highly recommend Gigabyte. My mobo has been great. Everything runs cool and stable but I don't overclock either. This mobo will but I just don't use that feature. I'm not saying anything bad about ASUS just that I don't have a lot of experience with it. I have messed with one once for a friend, He worked fine and no complaints. I only had it for a couple days tho. Dale :-) :-)
