Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML
On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 14:13 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote: Grüezi! On Jan 15, 2008 2:05 PM, Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: make menuconfig make make modules_install, maybe? This always works, on any distribution. I still wonder why they all invent their own, special way of compiling a kernel. Nice thing about genkernel (and other such tools in other distributions) is, that they also create an initrd. what about mkinitrd? I suppose the initrd is the driving factor for developing genkernel-like tools. really? -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Unix gives you just enough rope to hang yourself -- and then a couple of more feet, just to be sure. -- Eric Allman ... We make rope. -- Rob Gingell on Sun Microsystem's new virtual memory. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML
On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 14:39 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Dienstag, 15. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Jean-Baptiste Mestelan: On 15/01/2008, Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: make menuconfig make make modules_install, maybe? This always works, on any distribution. I still wonder why they all invent their own, special way of compiling a kernel. Sure, this will work. This also presumes that you know your way through menuconfig. Another option would be to start with the kernel/modules that come with your LiveCD. Since you bootet the CD from it, you know it works. I still wonder why they all invent their own, special way of compiling a kernel. Probably to leave the choice to users, and allow someone to compile a kernel without having in-depth knowledge of one's hardware and kernel options ? how about just providing a .config file then? -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Windows 2000 will be released as soon as Windows 98 finishes loading. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML
Am Mittwoch, 16. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Iain Buchanan: On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 14:39 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Dienstag, 15. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Jean-Baptiste Mestelan: On 15/01/2008, Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still wonder why they all invent their own, special way of compiling a kernel. Probably to leave the choice to users, and allow someone to compile a kernel without having in-depth knowledge of one's hardware and kernel options ? how about just providing a .config file then? Yep, would just be a matter of switching on /proc/config(.gz) support. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wanheimerstraße 68 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40468 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML
On 15/01/2008, Michael Schmarck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James wireless at tampabay.rr.com writes: Hello, Over the last week, I read where many folks recommend installing Gentoo using GRML. Since I have a p3 (650Mz) system I'm installing to build a small web server for a friend, I figured I check out installing gentoo via GRML. Does anyone know of a wiki or simple guide I can follow to do this? Sure. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml IOW: Use the original documentation. Chapter 2 is of course then of no use, for the most part. The thing about hdparm and user accounts is valid none the less, though. I went through a new install process this week, using Kubuntu liveCD, and indeed the original documentation applies OK. Only one minor notice : the part about using 'mirrorselect' will not work, as this tool will not included in an alternate liveCD, so you will have to select the mirrors manually (check the syntax beforehand, maybe). Also, obviously, you will not be able to use genkernel and automagically compile kernel (there could be other ways ?). Cheers. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML
Am Dienstag, 15. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Jean-Baptiste Mestelan: Also, obviously, you will not be able to use genkernel and automagically compile kernel (there could be other ways ?). make menuconfig make make modules_install, maybe? This always works, on any distribution. I still wonder why they all invent their own, special way of compiling a kernel. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wanheimerstraße 68 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40468 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML
Grüezi!
On Jan 15, 2008 2:05 PM, Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
make menuconfig make make modules_install, maybe? This always works,
on any distribution. I still wonder why they all invent their own, special
way of compiling a kernel.
Nice thing about genkernel (and other such tools in other distributions)
is, that they also create an initrd. Bad thing is, that they compile
way too much (which only harms in so far, as it makes the time needed
for compiling stuff longer and makes /lib/modules bigger than it needs
to be).
I suppose the initrd is the driving factor for developing genkernel-like
tools.
Michael
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML
On 15/01/2008, Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: make menuconfig make make modules_install, maybe? This always works, on any distribution. I still wonder why they all invent their own, special way of compiling a kernel. Sure, this will work. This also presumes that you know your way through menuconfig. I still wonder why they all invent their own, special way of compiling a kernel. Probably to leave the choice to users, and allow someone to compile a kernel without having in-depth knowledge of one's hardware and kernel options ? -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML
Hello! On Jan 15, 2008 1:54 PM, Jean-Baptiste Mestelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15/01/2008, Michael Schmarck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ Installing via GRML ] IOW: Use the original documentation. Chapter 2 is of course then of no use, for the most part. The thing about hdparm and user accounts is valid none the less, though. I went through a new install process this week, using Kubuntu liveCD, and indeed the original documentation applies OK. Only one minor notice : the part about using 'mirrorselect' will not work, as this tool will not included in an alternate liveCD, so you will have to select the mirrors manually (check the syntax beforehand, maybe). I don't quite understand. When you're installing stuff from within Kubuntu (or whatever Live CD), you're in a Gentoo chroot. Why can't you install mirrorselect there and run mirrorselect in the chroot? Also, obviously, you will not be able to use genkernel and automagically compile kernel (there could be other ways ?). Same question, basically. Why can''t you run genkernel in the chroot (I only used genkernel once, and then switched back to compiling the kernel by myself)? Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML
Am Dienstag, 15. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Jean-Baptiste Mestelan: On 15/01/2008, Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: make menuconfig make make modules_install, maybe? This always works, on any distribution. I still wonder why they all invent their own, special way of compiling a kernel. Sure, this will work. This also presumes that you know your way through menuconfig. Another option would be to start with the kernel/modules that come with your LiveCD. Since you bootet the CD from it, you know it works. I still wonder why they all invent their own, special way of compiling a kernel. Probably to leave the choice to users, and allow someone to compile a kernel without having in-depth knowledge of one's hardware and kernel options ? Sure. My point was not about having such a tool, but having multiple different ones. However, once you are used to it, x- or menuconfig are quite convenient. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wanheimerstraße 68 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40468 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML
Jean-Baptiste Mestelan wrote: On 15/01/2008, Michael Schmarck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! On Jan 15, 2008 1:54 PM, Jean-Baptiste Mestelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15/01/2008, Michael Schmarck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ Installing via GRML ] IOW: Use the original documentation. Chapter 2 is of course then of no use, for the most part. The thing about hdparm and user accounts is valid none the less, though. I went through a new install process this week, using Kubuntu liveCD, and indeed the original documentation applies OK. Only one minor notice : the part about using 'mirrorselect' will not work, as this tool will not included in an alternate liveCD, so you will have to select the mirrors manually (check the syntax beforehand, maybe). I don't quite understand. When you're installing stuff from within Kubuntu (or whatever Live CD), you're in a Gentoo chroot. Why can't you install mirrorselect there and run mirrorselect in the chroot? You are right, this would work. I had just not thought this program would be in the portage tree. Also, obviously, you will not be able to use genkernel and automagically compile kernel (there could be other ways ?). Same question, basically. Why can''t you run genkernel in the chroot (I only used genkernel once, and then switched back to compiling the kernel by myself)? Same reply :-) May I just point that you are stating this as an experienced user, who can afford some detachment from the documentation process ? This might not be the case for every single person starting a Gentoo install ; but thanks for providing us these different options. Jean-Baptiste I agree with you that complete n00b may have a problem here but... The n00b install argument holds no water with me as the user will need be somewhat experienced to maintain the system in any event. Detaching oneself from documentation will become a vital skill once you have your own *unique* Gentoo system up and running. my 2c -- Wayn0 -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:10:43 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote: I don't quite understand. When you're installing stuff from within Kubuntu (or whatever Live CD), you're in a Gentoo chroot. Why can't you install mirrorselect there and run mirrorselect in the chroot? How would you download it when you haven't set GENTOO_MIRRORS yet :) -- Neil Bothwick This man is depriving a village somewhere of an idiot signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML
On 15/01/2008, Michael Schmarck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! On Jan 15, 2008 1:54 PM, Jean-Baptiste Mestelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15/01/2008, Michael Schmarck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ Installing via GRML ] IOW: Use the original documentation. Chapter 2 is of course then of no use, for the most part. The thing about hdparm and user accounts is valid none the less, though. I went through a new install process this week, using Kubuntu liveCD, and indeed the original documentation applies OK. Only one minor notice : the part about using 'mirrorselect' will not work, as this tool will not included in an alternate liveCD, so you will have to select the mirrors manually (check the syntax beforehand, maybe). I don't quite understand. When you're installing stuff from within Kubuntu (or whatever Live CD), you're in a Gentoo chroot. Why can't you install mirrorselect there and run mirrorselect in the chroot? You are right, this would work. I had just not thought this program would be in the portage tree. Also, obviously, you will not be able to use genkernel and automagically compile kernel (there could be other ways ?). Same question, basically. Why can''t you run genkernel in the chroot (I only used genkernel once, and then switched back to compiling the kernel by myself)? Same reply :-) May I just point that you are stating this as an experienced user, who can afford some detachment from the documentation process ? This might not be the case for every single person starting a Gentoo install ; but thanks for providing us these different options. Jean-Baptiste -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML
Bon jour! On Jan 15, 2008 2:29 PM, Jean-Baptiste Mestelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15/01/2008, Michael Schmarck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't quite understand. When you're installing stuff from within Kubuntu (or whatever Live CD), you're in a Gentoo chroot. Why can't you install mirrorselect there and run mirrorselect in the chroot? You are right, this would work. I had just not thought this program would be in the portage tree. Hm. Okay. Where else should it be? What do Install CD users do, to get mirrorselect? For me, not having used a Gentoo Install CD once, the natural thing to do to get a program on gentoo is emerge $program. And mirrorselect is a program. Also, obviously, you will not be able to use genkernel and automagically compile kernel (there could be other ways ?). Same question, basically. Why can''t you run genkernel in the chroot (I only used genkernel once, and then switched back to compiling the kernel by myself)? Same reply :-) May I just point that you are stating this as an experienced user, who can afford some detachment from the documentation process ? I admit it - I don't know what's in the documentation. As I'm also too lazy to check right now, I go by my assumptions now - and they are, that genkernel is yet another program which needs to be installed in the chroot and thus needs to emerge'd first. Is that not the case for Install CD users? Best regards, Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML
Michael Schmarck wrote: Bon jour! On Jan 15, 2008 2:29 PM, Jean-Baptiste Mestelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15/01/2008, Michael Schmarck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't quite understand. When you're installing stuff from within Kubuntu (or whatever Live CD), you're in a Gentoo chroot. Why can't you install mirrorselect there and run mirrorselect in the chroot? You are right, this would work. I had just not thought this program would be in the portage tree. Hm. Okay. Where else should it be? What do Install CD users do, to get mirrorselect? For me, not having used a Gentoo Install CD once, the natural thing to do to get a program on gentoo is emerge $program. And mirrorselect is a program. Also, obviously, you will not be able to use genkernel and automagically compile kernel (there could be other ways ?). Same question, basically. Why can''t you run genkernel in the chroot (I only used genkernel once, and then switched back to compiling the kernel by myself)? Same reply :-) May I just point that you are stating this as an experienced user, who can afford some detachment from the documentation process ? I admit it - I don't know what's in the documentation. As I'm also too lazy to check right now, I go by my assumptions now - and they are, that genkernel is yet another program which needs to be installed in the chroot and thus needs to emerge'd first. Is that not the case for Install CD users? Best regards, Michael Basically, once you get booted up, partition your drive like you want, create mount points ( mkdir /mnt/gentoo ), unpack the stage 3 tarball, mount your new partitions, chroot into the tarball. After you chroot, it is just like running from the install CD. Mirrorselect should be there in the tarball. Sort of keep in mind that when you chroot in, you are basically in a Gentoo OS at that point. The tarball is a mini Gentoo install basically. Someone speak up if I missed a step. It has been a while for this old goat. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:10:43 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote: I don't quite understand. When you're installing stuff from within Kubuntu (or whatever Live CD), you're in a Gentoo chroot. Why can't you install mirrorselect there and run mirrorselect in the chroot? How would you download it when you haven't set GENTOO_MIRRORS yet :) GENTOO_MIRRORS has a default value set :-) Wayn0 -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML
Am Dienstag, 15. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Neil Bothwick: On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:10:43 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote: I don't quite understand. When you're installing stuff from within Kubuntu (or whatever Live CD), you're in a Gentoo chroot. Why can't you install mirrorselect there and run mirrorselect in the chroot? How would you download it when you haven't set GENTOO_MIRRORS yet :) Rumour has it there's a default. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wanheimerstraße 68 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40468 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML
Hi! On Jan 15, 2008 3:22 PM, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:10:43 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote: I don't quite understand. When you're installing stuff from within Kubuntu (or whatever Live CD), you're in a Gentoo chroot. Why can't you install mirrorselect there and run mirrorselect in the chroot? How would you download it when you haven't set GENTOO_MIRRORS yet :) Hm? Then you download from the main gentoo server, don't you? Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:03:39 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, Over the last week, I read where many folks recommend installing Gentoo using GRML. Since I have a p3 (650Mz) system I'm installing to build a small web server for a friend, I figured I check out installing gentoo via GRML. People should make it a practice to spell out these acronyms at least once per post. What is GRML? Google is your friend. ;-) http://grml.org/ Quote: grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally based on Knoppix and nowadays based on Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for system administrator and users of texttools. Cheers, Renat -- Probleme kann man niemals mit derselben Denkweise loesen, durch die sie entstanden sind. (Einstein) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
