Re: [gentoo-user] gnome intrusion?

[Frank Steinmetzger]

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 08:49:57PM +, Jorge Almeida wrote:

> >> I tried Pale Moon once, but I think it had the same problem as Firefox
> >> regarding cpu use, namely with youtube.
> >
> > That’s one reason why I had never used video sites in the past and now as
> > soon as I found out about youtube-dl. Unlike its name suggests, it supports
> > dozens of video sites.
> > Not only allows me that to play the video using my favourite video player,
> > but also to play at higher speeds -- all of that at minimal system load.
> > (Not to mention being able to achive videos I’d like to keep).

> Good hint. Still, some of the suggestions from youtube are useful, and
> I suppose I would loose that.

I typed a little quickly and distractedly. I do still »use« the video
sites. Just I never use their player. ^^
It’s become automatic:
- press y in Firefox (vim addon’s hotkey to copy current URL)
- switch to terminal, press ",y " and insert url (",y" being my bash alias
  for youtube-dl)
- wait a moment or open a second terminal and watch the video while it’s
  still being downloaded. Try that, Windows. :D


Hm.. maybe I should try Palemoon, too. I’m keeping Firefox on version
49 because my beloved vim addon is not signed. I can’t live^wbrowse without
it.
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Re: [gentoo-user] gnome intrusion?

[Jorge Almeida]

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Frank Steinmetzger  wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 07:23:02AM +, Jorge Almeida wrote:
>

>> I tried Pale Moon once, but I think it had the same problem as Firefox
>> regarding cpu use, namely with youtube.
>
> That’s one reason why I had never used video sites in the past and now as
> soon as I found out about youtube-dl. Unlike its name suggests, it supports
> dozens of video sites.
> Not only allows me that to play the video using my favourite video player,
> but also to play at higher speeds -- all of that at minimal system load.
> (Not to mention being able to achive videos I’d like to keep).
> --
Good hint. Still, some of the suggestions from youtube are useful, and
I suppose I would loose that.

Regards

Jorge

Re: [gentoo-user] gnome intrusion?

[Frank Steinmetzger]

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 07:23:02AM +, Jorge Almeida wrote:

> Thanks.
> I tried Pale Moon once, but I think it had the same problem as Firefox
> regarding cpu use, namely with youtube.

That’s one reason why I had never used video sites in the past and now as
soon as I found out about youtube-dl. Unlike its name suggests, it supports
dozens of video sites.
Not only allows me that to play the video using my favourite video player,
but also to play at higher speeds -- all of that at minimal system load.
(Not to mention being able to achive videos I’d like to keep).
-- 
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Please do not share anything from, with or about me on any social network.

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Re: [gentoo-user] gnome intrusion?

[Jorge Almeida]

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Neil Bothwick  wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 07:23:02 +, Jorge Almeida wrote:
>
>>
> What you're asking is a bit like asking for a complete list of the
> abilities the python USE flag adds, when all you can really say is it
> allows the software to run Python scripts, not what those scripts may do.
>
>
I'm not really asking for exhaustive documentation about  USE flags,
just saying that even some fragmented documentation would be useful. I
don't expect a particular contributor to know  everything about a
particular USE flag. (And, of course, no one is under any obligation
to do it.)

All this would be easier if upstream package developers  would explain
what the different config options really entail. Most of the times,
"./configure --help" is not that helpful.

Jorge

Re: [gentoo-user] gnome intrusion?

[Neil Bothwick]

On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 07:23:02 +, Jorge Almeida wrote:

> > Wakelock - is a generic API for grabbing a resource and not letting go
> > of it... https://www.w3.org/TR/wake-lock-use-cases/  It's mostly used
> > in mobile apps, but on the desktop it's used to disable the
> > screensaver while a long video is playing.
> >  
> 
> This is the kind of information that it would be useful to have in a
> central place (WiKi), at least for USE variables that are bound to
> have a global impact on the system.

DBus is simply an IPC mechanism, the USE flag only enables the software
to talk to other software. What each piece of software does with that
ability is as varied as the software that uses it. Any such list would be
long, incomplete and almost certainly out of date and not relevant to the
USE flag anyway.

What you're asking is a bit like asking for a complete list of the
abilities the python USE flag adds, when all you can really say is it
allows the software to run Python scripts, not what those scripts may do.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

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Re: [gentoo-user] gnome intrusion?

[Jorge Almeida]

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 2:10 AM, Walter Dnes  wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 11:52:50PM +, Jorge Almeida wrote
>

>   The current Pale Moon requires glib-dbus.  I do my own custom builds
> of Pale Moon for my personal use without dbus.  I also have an ancient
> 32-bit-only Atom netbook.  dbus is required for Necko-Wifi and Wakelock
> in Pale Moon, and presumably also in Firefox...
>
> Necko-Wifi - allows improved geo-location if you have wifi, which most
> PCs have, even newer desktops.  It works by scanning SSIDs in your
> vicinity and comparing against a master global database.  The local data
> has to be sent off to a master database (e.g. Google) for the comparison.
>
> Wakelock - is a generic API for grabbing a resource and not letting go
> of it... https://www.w3.org/TR/wake-lock-use-cases/  It's mostly used
> in mobile apps, but on the desktop it's used to disable the screensaver
> while a long video is playing.
>

This is the kind of information that it would be useful to have in a
central place (WiKi), at least for USE variables that are bound to
have a global impact on the system.

>   If you can do without Necko-Wifi and Wakelock, you don't need dbus.
> Let me know off-list if you need any help custom-building Pale Moon.
> You can also join the Pale Moon web forum https://forum.palemoon.org/
> The linux section is https://forum.palemoon.org/viewforum.php?f=37
>
Thanks.
I tried Pale Moon once, but I think it had the same problem as Firefox
regarding cpu use, namely with youtube.

> --

> I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

+1

Cheers

Jorge

>

Re: [gentoo-user] gnome intrusion?

[Walter Dnes]

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 11:52:50PM +, Jorge Almeida wrote

> Good to know. I'm currently testing  openbox without dbus-launch. No
> problem yet.
> 
> It would be great to have some WiKi pages telling what some USE flag
> really do to particular packages, e.g, what does it mean to run
> firefox without dbus.

  The current Pale Moon requires glib-dbus.  I do my own custom builds
of Pale Moon for my personal use without dbus.  I also have an ancient
32-bit-only Atom netbook.  dbus is required for Necko-Wifi and Wakelock
in Pale Moon, and presumably also in Firefox...

Necko-Wifi - allows improved geo-location if you have wifi, which most
PCs have, even newer desktops.  It works by scanning SSIDs in your
vicinity and comparing against a master global database.  The local data
has to be sent off to a master database (e.g. Google) for the comparison.

Wakelock - is a generic API for grabbing a resource and not letting go
of it... https://www.w3.org/TR/wake-lock-use-cases/  It's mostly used
in mobile apps, but on the desktop it's used to disable the screensaver
while a long video is playing.

  If you can do without Necko-Wifi and Wakelock, you don't need dbus.
Let me know off-list if you need any help custom-building Pale Moon.
You can also join the Pale Moon web forum https://forum.palemoon.org/
The linux section is https://forum.palemoon.org/viewforum.php?f=37

-- 
Walter Dnes 
I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-user] gnome intrusion?

[Jorge Almeida]

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 11:38 PM, Andrew Tselischev
 wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 09:32:59AM +, Jorge Almeida wrote:
>> I noticed some obnoxious-looking processes in my system:
>>

>
> I have the same problem. Recently I got so fed up with it I decided to try
> my chances with chmod a-x /usr/libexec/at-spi* . So far, no problems.
>

Good to know. I'm currently testing  openbox without dbus-launch. No
problem yet.

It would be great to have some WiKi pages telling what some USE flag
really do to particular packages, e.g, what does it mean to run
firefox without dbus.

Jorge

Re: [gentoo-user] gnome intrusion?

[Andrew Tselischev]

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 09:32:59AM +, Jorge Almeida wrote:
> I noticed some obnoxious-looking processes in my system:
> 
> $ ps axf
> (...)
>   367 ?S  0:00 dbus-launch --autolaunch
> 899f609d1c39e4d202c179a7580e4b49 --binary-syntax --close-stderr
>   368 ?Ss 0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 5
> --print-address 7 --session
>   409 ?Sl 0:00 /usr/libexec/notification-daemon
>   411 ?Sl 0:00 /usr/libexec/at-spi-bus-launcher
>   415 ?S  0:00  \_ /usr/bin/dbus-daemon
> --config-file=/usr/share/defaults/at-spi2/accessibility.conf --nofork
> --print-address 3
>   417 ?Sl 0:00 /usr/libexec/at-spi2-registryd --use-gnome-session
>   451 ?S  0:00 /usr/libexec/gconfd-2
> 
> I don't use a DE, just plain openbox. I had a few xterms running and
> also Opera, no other graphical app. The above processes appeared after
> Opera was launched.
>  Why oh why should there be a process "at-spi2-registryd --use-gnome-session"?
> 
> gnome-session?! I don't even have gnome installed.
> 
> On a related note, the session logs have this gem:
> 
> ERROR:object_proxy.cc(583)] Failed to call method:
> org.freedesktop.UPower.GetDisplayDevice: object_path=
> /org/freedesktop/UPower: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown:
> The name org.freedesktop.UPower was not provided by any .service files
> 
> Why should this be considered an error? I don't have upower installed.
> I don't want upower.
> 
> I understand this is not the kind of stuff most users care about.
> Just wondering whether somebody else is somewhat bothered by this.
> 
> Jorge Almeida

I have the same problem. Recently I got so fed up with it I decided to try
my chances with chmod a-x /usr/libexec/at-spi* . So far, no problems.