Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No
On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 3:48 AM, Jorge Almeida wrote: > On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 12:39 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 02:26:05 -0500, Tom H wrote: >>> >>> It's the best thing that the systemd developers have produced! >> >> Except they didn't produce it. They assimilated gummiboot, which I was >> already using, into the systemd collective! > > Wasn't gummiboot the brain child of a certain systemd developer who > got kicked off the kernel due to attitude issues? AFAICT, Kay's last kernel submission was one year before Linus had "that" rant about merging his code. I'd also have been surprised if Kay had submitted something a few months later and Linus had rejected it ; especially since Linus gave himself an out by saying something like "until his attitude changes" or something along these lines.
Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No
On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 1:35 PM, lee wrote: > Tom H writes: >> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 9:07 PM, lee wrote: >>> >>> How is that more reliable? >> >> It's more reliable than using the kernel's names because the names >> won't change UNLESS there's kernel/driver/firmware change for that >> NIC. I doubt that these changes occur that often. Perhaps someone else >> knows. > > What happens more often: That a network card is replaced with a > different one or that the software changes? In my experience the former. But it's just my experience... I've also not come across a kernel//driver/firmware change on a system.
Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No
On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 3:01 PM, lee wrote: > Tom H writes: >> AFAIK, you have three possibilities. >> >> 1) If you're renaming a NIC via its MAC address, you have to edit the >> config file thatlinks the NIC's names and its MAC address. >> >> 2) If you're using udev's predictable names, the NIC'll have the same >> (more or less complex) name if you use the same slot. >> >> 3) If you're using the kernel names, you have no guarantee that ethX >> will be assigned to the same NIC at every bot. > > So there's no good option because names may change unless you make and > maintain an assignment. I wonder why that isn't the default ... Because udev upstream chose to default to a setup without having to edit config files for NIC names.
Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No
On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 1:53 PM, lee wrote: > Neil Bothwick writes: >> >> There is nothing wrong with wanting things to work as you do, but it >> requires input to do so. It you have to start editing files to make >> it work properly, there is little point in making it the default. > > Right, and it could work without editing files manually. A > configuration file assigning editable names to the annoying names > could be created automatically and filled by assigning the name an > interface already has to it (because when it has a name, the name is > known, which is easier than trying to make up all possible names in > advance). Then only if you wanted you would edit the configuration > file to assign the name(s) of your choosing, and if you don't want to > do that, you simply get the names you get now. There would be no > change to how the names are now, only an additional option. > > That would also have the advantage that when the annoying name of an > interface changes, you can choose to either adjust all configuration > files in which you have specified a particular interface or simply > adjust the one configuration file that assigns the names. There are two ways to ensure that you always have the kernel's names: 1) Add "net.ifnames=0" to the kernel cmdline 2) Override "NamePolicy=..." in "/lib/systemd/network/99-default.link" with "NamePolicy=kernel" in "/etc/systemd/network/99-default.link".
[gentoo-user] alsamixer and pulseaudio - which is at fault?
Hi All, My sound has been behaving erratically for a while now, probably since pulseaudio started being shipped with various desktop applications. This is what I am talking about: Sound level undesirable == Kmail pops up a warning and the sound level is 100%. The first time. On the second warning when it happens a couple of seconds later, the sound level is back down to normal levels, say 55%. Without me interfering with any audio settings. Some time later another warning pops up and this time the sound may be normal, a second warning a couple of seconds later may be back to 100%. It appears to me as if sound levels generated by dekstop/application warnings are adjusted dynamically on the fly and at will, but not my will ... Non-KDE applications, e.g. Pidgin bleep at top volume when IMs are sent/received. Adjusting their volume thankfully sticks, at least for the desktop session in question. Alsamixer == Running alsamixer shows: Card: PulseAudio Chip: PulseAudio with a single Master bar for adjusting the volume. Selecting F6 shows Sound Card set to (default), with 'HDA Intel MID' and 'HDA ATI HDMI' below it. When I select 0 for 'HDA Intel MID' I get all my familiar alsamixer settings back including Master, Headphones, Speaker, PCM, Mic, etc. Adjusting these allow me to arrive at sane volume levels as used to be the case in the past. However, the annoying thing is these settings do not stick between reboots. On another laptop with a different audio card, things are even stranger. The card pops/crackles at boot time, but all sound is dead unless and until I run alsactl init. Then if the sound gets quite loud, e.g. the other side of a Skype call raises their voice above a certain level, all sound is lost until I run alsactl init again. This is becoming tedious to say the least. Have you noticed anything similar to either of the above problems ? What may be causing these problems and are there any fixes/workarounds? I honestly can't recall sound ever being such a pain on my systems. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Can't get X running in Kernel 4.4.26.
Hi, Gentoo. I'm having trouble with my kernel 4.4.26. It will do everything expected of it except for running X Windows. I've checked I've got the kernel configuration set up as described in the gentoo wiki documents, unless I've overlooked something. What happens is that I run "startx", and a little while later, the X server reports that no screens are found. More precisely, the following appears in Xorg.0.log: KAVERI, KAVERI, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII [47.952] (II) modesetting: Driver for Modesetting Kernel Drivers: kms [47.952] (--) using VT number 7 [47.963] (II) [KMS] Kernel modesetting enabled. [47.963] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for modesetting [47.963] (EE) No devices detected. [47.963] (EE) Fatal server error: [47.963] (EE) no screens found(EE) [47.963] (EE) Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support at http://wiki.x.org for help. [47.963] (EE) Please also check the log file at "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" for additional information. [47.963] (EE) Note the "No devices detected". The corresponding piece of the working Xorg.0.log in my older kernel is: KAVERI, KAVERI, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII [ 188.705] (II) modesetting: Driver for Modesetting Kernel Drivers: kms [ 188.705] (--) using VT number 7 [ 188.713] (II) [KMS] Kernel modesetting enabled. [ 188.713] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for modesetting [ 188.713] (WW) VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no multi-card support [ 188.713] (II) RADEON(0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section "Default Screen Section" for depth/fbbpp 24/32 [ 188.713] (==) RADEON(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 [ 188.713] (II) RADEON(0): Pixel depth = 24 bits stored in 4 bytes (32 bpp pixmaps) [ 188.713] (==) RADEON(0): Default visual is TrueColor [ 188.713] (==) RADEON(0): RGB weight 888 [ 188.713] (II) RADEON(0): Using 8 bits per RGB (8 bit DAC) [ 188.713] (--) RADEON(0): Chipset: "ATI Radeon HD 4550" (ChipID = 0x9540) Needless to say, the kernel version is the sole difference between the non-working 4.4.26 and the working 4.0.5. Would somebody please help me track down this problem. Thanks! -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't get X running in Kernel 4.4.26.
On December 29, 2016 3:24:27 PM GMT+01:00, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >Hi, Gentoo. > >I'm having trouble with my kernel 4.4.26. It will do everything >expected of it except for running X Windows. > >I've checked I've got the kernel configuration set up as described in >the gentoo wiki documents, unless I've overlooked something. > >What happens is that I run "startx", and a little while later, the X >server reports that no screens are found. > >More precisely, the following appears in Xorg.0.log: > >KAVERI, KAVERI, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, >HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII >[47.952] (II) modesetting: Driver for Modesetting Kernel Drivers: >kms >[47.952] (--) using VT number 7 > >[47.963] (II) [KMS] Kernel modesetting enabled. >[47.963] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for modesetting >[47.963] (EE) No devices detected. >[47.963] (EE) >Fatal server error: >[47.963] (EE) no screens found(EE) >[47.963] (EE) >Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support > at http://wiki.x.org > for help. >[47.963] (EE) Please also check the log file at >"/var/log/Xorg.0.log" for additional information. >[47.963] (EE) > >Note the "No devices detected". > > >The corresponding piece of the working Xorg.0.log in my older kernel >is: > >KAVERI, KAVERI, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, >HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII, HAWAII >[ 188.705] (II) modesetting: Driver for Modesetting Kernel Drivers: >kms >[ 188.705] (--) using VT number 7 > >[ 188.713] (II) [KMS] Kernel modesetting enabled. >[ 188.713] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for modesetting >[ 188.713] (WW) VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no >multi-card support >[ 188.713] (II) RADEON(0): Creating default Display subsection in >Screen section >"Default Screen Section" for depth/fbbpp 24/32 >[ 188.713] (==) RADEON(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 >[ 188.713] (II) RADEON(0): Pixel depth = 24 bits stored in 4 bytes >(32 bpp pixmaps) >[ 188.713] (==) RADEON(0): Default visual is TrueColor >[ 188.713] (==) RADEON(0): RGB weight 888 >[ 188.713] (II) RADEON(0): Using 8 bits per RGB (8 bit DAC) >[ 188.713] (--) RADEON(0): Chipset: "ATI Radeon HD 4550" (ChipID = >0x9540) > > >Needless to say, the kernel version is the sole difference between the >non-working 4.4.26 and the working 4.0.5. > >Would somebody please help me track down this problem. Thanks! I ended up skipping 4.4 kernels as I had problems as well. Not with X, but hibernate wasn't working. 4.6 and 4.8 kernels do seem to work better. You could try a more recent one as well. -- Joost -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!
On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 11:11:27 AM CET J. Roeleveld wrote: > On December 27, 2016 3:38:28 PM GMT+01:00, Peter Humphrey wrote: > >On Sunday, 18 December 2016 19:07:23 GMT J. Roeleveld wrote: > >> More important, how is the latest kmail behaving? > > > >My first impression is one of horror. It's ghastly! > > > >I've never seen such profligate waste of screen space. I've attached a > >couple of screen shots to show you what I mean. > > > >Take the folder list, for example. I used to be able to show all those > >folders in one panel with no scroll-bars, with no difficulty reading > >them; > >now eight folders spill over. I may be able to find a more compact > >arrangement but this is the best I've managed so far. At least with > >kmail:4 > >I could tweak Qt settings to condense it; now nothing I do makes any > >improvement. > > > >Then the message view. Message.png shows what your message looks like > >in > >this version of KMail (the message I'm replying to now). This is with > >all > >the bells and whistles I can find switched off. > > > >Next, after I'd emerged kde-apps/kmai-16.12.0, it was incomplete. I had > >to > >install several other packages to complete it, including the import > >wizard. > >Rather than messing about, I just emerged kdepim-meta and had done with > >it. > > > >Even after doing that, I get "No backend available for spell checking," > >even > >though I've set everything up that I can see. Myspell and hunspell are > >both > >installed. > > > >In the message list I have next-to-no control over the font. I can set > >the > >basic one, but not those for unread, important or action items. They're > >now > >displayed in a reduced-density form of the basic font (while pretending > > > >they're going to use the same font as the message itself). The > >designers > >evidently know what I want better than I do (anyone might think this > >was > >Gnome). > > > >Nothing to do with KMail, but the display of gkrellm has changed > >dramatically. I use its Invisible theme, which hasn't actually been > >invisible since the switch from KDE-3 to 4, but it had a plain, > >unobtrusive > >grey scheme and showed what I wanted to see, clearly and with no drama. > >Now, > >the chart backgrounds have changed from charcoal-grey to a dark red, > >and > >what was grey is now a dreadful salmon-pink. Of course I can't see the > >red > >traces any longer. Perhaps I'm missing a KDE or Qt component. > > > >Oh, and when I start a reboot in KDE, akonadi crashes with a > >segmentation > >fault. > > > >I dare say version 16.12.0 of KMail-2 will make a decent platform for > >development, now that it's finally here, but a very great deal of work > >lies > >ahead. I can see that I'll be doing my fair share of shouting too, at > >it and > >at the devs. > > > >It's taken me about 30 hours to get this far. I ditched the old system > >altogether and built a new one on the kde-plasma profile. I didn't ask > >for > >anything in a slot 4, just slot 5 versions. I also ditched my old user > >and > >set up a new one from scratch. Headache? What headache? > > > >I think I'll have to go down the pub to drown my sorrows. > > My impressions will start here. Emailing using mobile while the IMAP mail is > being synchronised. That usually takes a few hours. > > Although that does appear to go faster now. I normally use Kontact for the > whole shebang. And it looks similar to version 4. > > The upgrade went quite smoothly, with a very rigorous cleaning exercise of > anything wanting older versions. Am expecting some possible issues when > reinstalling those. But will see how that goes later today. > > Full upgrade only took a couple of hours this morning. > > -- > Joost Ok, update time. I haven't been able to do much with it today as I had to go to the office. When I came back, various stuff had failed, but this is due to synchronizing all email (old offline-imap option) to the desktop and the home-partition had filled up. I cleaned up all the kdepim config-files and the database tables again and started kontact with a clean config. It is, again, synchronizing. I did not experience any crashes of akonadi or kontact during normal use and shutting down of applications (including akonadictl stop). With the exception of what I mentioned before, which can not be blamed on akonadi. Things I like so far: - Synchronisation seems to be faster, so is the rest of the interface. - Synchronisation of groupdav is smoother - There finally is a decent option to connect to office365 (including calendar) (with the above, I have only tested loading data, not tested modifying anything yet) Things I miss: - A configuration option inside "systemsettings", can not find the kcm for akonadi:5. - I can't find the little "-" icons which were present in the screenshots from Peter Humphrey. I was actually hoping to test those, but they don't appear. Things I don't like so far: - The default colour scheme (unread emails are by default a very ligh
Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!
On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 11:11:27 AM CET J. Roeleveld wrote: > On December 27, 2016 3:38:28 PM GMT+01:00, Peter Humphrey wrote: > >On Sunday, 18 December 2016 19:07:23 GMT J. Roeleveld wrote: > >> More important, how is the latest kmail behaving? > > > >My first impression is one of horror. It's ghastly! > > > >I've never seen such profligate waste of screen space. I've attached a > >couple of screen shots to show you what I mean. > > > >Take the folder list, for example. I used to be able to show all those > >folders in one panel with no scroll-bars, with no difficulty reading > >them; > >now eight folders spill over. I may be able to find a more compact > >arrangement but this is the best I've managed so far. At least with > >kmail:4 > >I could tweak Qt settings to condense it; now nothing I do makes any > >improvement. > > > >Then the message view. Message.png shows what your message looks like > >in > >this version of KMail (the message I'm replying to now). This is with > >all > >the bells and whistles I can find switched off. > > > >Next, after I'd emerged kde-apps/kmai-16.12.0, it was incomplete. I had > >to > >install several other packages to complete it, including the import > >wizard. > >Rather than messing about, I just emerged kdepim-meta and had done with > >it. > > > >Even after doing that, I get "No backend available for spell checking," > >even > >though I've set everything up that I can see. Myspell and hunspell are > >both > >installed. > > > >In the message list I have next-to-no control over the font. I can set > >the > >basic one, but not those for unread, important or action items. They're > >now > >displayed in a reduced-density form of the basic font (while pretending > > > >they're going to use the same font as the message itself). The > >designers > >evidently know what I want better than I do (anyone might think this > >was > >Gnome). > > > >Nothing to do with KMail, but the display of gkrellm has changed > >dramatically. I use its Invisible theme, which hasn't actually been > >invisible since the switch from KDE-3 to 4, but it had a plain, > >unobtrusive > >grey scheme and showed what I wanted to see, clearly and with no drama. > >Now, > >the chart backgrounds have changed from charcoal-grey to a dark red, > >and > >what was grey is now a dreadful salmon-pink. Of course I can't see the > >red > >traces any longer. Perhaps I'm missing a KDE or Qt component. > > > >Oh, and when I start a reboot in KDE, akonadi crashes with a > >segmentation > >fault. > > > >I dare say version 16.12.0 of KMail-2 will make a decent platform for > >development, now that it's finally here, but a very great deal of work > >lies > >ahead. I can see that I'll be doing my fair share of shouting too, at > >it and > >at the devs. > > > >It's taken me about 30 hours to get this far. I ditched the old system > >altogether and built a new one on the kde-plasma profile. I didn't ask > >for > >anything in a slot 4, just slot 5 versions. I also ditched my old user > >and > >set up a new one from scratch. Headache? What headache? > > > >I think I'll have to go down the pub to drown my sorrows. > > My impressions will start here. Emailing using mobile while the IMAP mail is > being synchronised. That usually takes a few hours. > > Although that does appear to go faster now. I normally use Kontact for the > whole shebang. And it looks similar to version 4. > > The upgrade went quite smoothly, with a very rigorous cleaning exercise of > anything wanting older versions. Am expecting some possible issues when > reinstalling those. But will see how that goes later today. > > Full upgrade only took a couple of hours this morning. > > -- > Joost Ok, update time. I haven't been able to do much with it today as I had to go to the office. When I came back, various stuff had failed, but this is due to synchronizing all email (old offline-imap option) to the desktop and the home-partition had filled up. I cleaned up all the kdepim config-files and the database tables again and started kontact with a clean config. It is, again, synchronizing. I did not experience any crashes of akonadi or kontact during normal use and shutting down of applications (including akonadictl stop). With the exception of what I mentioned before, which can not be blamed on akonadi. Things I like so far: - Synchronisation seems to be faster, so is the rest of the interface. - Synchronisation of groupdav is smoother - There finally is a decent option to connect to office365 (including calendar) (with the above, I have only tested loading data, not tested modifying anything yet) Things I miss: - A configuration option inside "systemsettings", can not find the kcm for akonadi:5. - I can't find the little "-" icons which were present in the screenshots from Peter Humphrey. I was actually hoping to test those, but they don't appear. Things I don't like so far: - The default colour scheme (unread emails are by default a very ligh
Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!
Sorry for double post... Kmail:5 doesn't show email as being sent Will check again after full synchronisation. (Mailfolder is quite large) On December 29, 2016 6:54:33 PM GMT+01:00, "J. Roeleveld" wrote: >On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 11:11:27 AM CET J. Roeleveld wrote: >> On December 27, 2016 3:38:28 PM GMT+01:00, Peter Humphrey > wrote: >> >On Sunday, 18 December 2016 19:07:23 GMT J. Roeleveld wrote: >> >> More important, how is the latest kmail behaving? >> > >> >My first impression is one of horror. It's ghastly! >> > >> >I've never seen such profligate waste of screen space. I've attached >a >> >couple of screen shots to show you what I mean. >> > >> >Take the folder list, for example. I used to be able to show all >those >> >folders in one panel with no scroll-bars, with no difficulty reading >> >them; >> >now eight folders spill over. I may be able to find a more compact >> >arrangement but this is the best I've managed so far. At least with >> >kmail:4 >> >I could tweak Qt settings to condense it; now nothing I do makes any >> >improvement. >> > >> >Then the message view. Message.png shows what your message looks >like >> >in >> >this version of KMail (the message I'm replying to now). This is >with >> >all >> >the bells and whistles I can find switched off. >> > >> >Next, after I'd emerged kde-apps/kmai-16.12.0, it was incomplete. I >had >> >to >> >install several other packages to complete it, including the import >> >wizard. >> >Rather than messing about, I just emerged kdepim-meta and had done >with >> >it. >> > >> >Even after doing that, I get "No backend available for spell >checking," >> >even >> >though I've set everything up that I can see. Myspell and hunspell >are >> >both >> >installed. >> > >> >In the message list I have next-to-no control over the font. I can >set >> >the >> >basic one, but not those for unread, important or action items. >They're >> >now >> >displayed in a reduced-density form of the basic font (while >pretending >> > >> >they're going to use the same font as the message itself). The >> >designers >> >evidently know what I want better than I do (anyone might think this >> >was >> >Gnome). >> > >> >Nothing to do with KMail, but the display of gkrellm has changed >> >dramatically. I use its Invisible theme, which hasn't actually been >> >invisible since the switch from KDE-3 to 4, but it had a plain, >> >unobtrusive >> >grey scheme and showed what I wanted to see, clearly and with no >drama. >> >Now, >> >the chart backgrounds have changed from charcoal-grey to a dark red, >> >and >> >what was grey is now a dreadful salmon-pink. Of course I can't see >the >> >red >> >traces any longer. Perhaps I'm missing a KDE or Qt component. >> > >> >Oh, and when I start a reboot in KDE, akonadi crashes with a >> >segmentation >> >fault. >> > >> >I dare say version 16.12.0 of KMail-2 will make a decent platform >for >> >development, now that it's finally here, but a very great deal of >work >> >lies >> >ahead. I can see that I'll be doing my fair share of shouting too, >at >> >it and >> >at the devs. >> > >> >It's taken me about 30 hours to get this far. I ditched the old >system >> >altogether and built a new one on the kde-plasma profile. I didn't >ask >> >for >> >anything in a slot 4, just slot 5 versions. I also ditched my old >user >> >and >> >set up a new one from scratch. Headache? What headache? >> > >> >I think I'll have to go down the pub to drown my sorrows. >> >> My impressions will start here. Emailing using mobile while the IMAP >mail is >> being synchronised. That usually takes a few hours. >> >> Although that does appear to go faster now. I normally use Kontact >for the >> whole shebang. And it looks similar to version 4. >> >> The upgrade went quite smoothly, with a very rigorous cleaning >exercise of >> anything wanting older versions. Am expecting some possible issues >when >> reinstalling those. But will see how that goes later today. >> >> Full upgrade only took a couple of hours this morning. >> >> -- >> Joost > >Ok, update time. >I haven't been able to do much with it today as I had to go to the >office. > >When I came back, various stuff had failed, but this is due to >synchronizing >all email (old offline-imap option) to the desktop and the >home-partition had >filled up. >I cleaned up all the kdepim config-files and the database tables again >and >started kontact with a clean config. It is, again, synchronizing. > >I did not experience any crashes of akonadi or kontact during normal >use and >shutting down of applications (including akonadictl stop). >With the exception of what I mentioned before, which can not be blamed >on >akonadi. > >Things I like so far: >- Synchronisation seems to be faster, so is the rest of the interface. >- Synchronisation of groupdav is smoother >- There finally is a decent option to connect to office365 (including >calendar) >(with the above, I have only tested loading data, not tested modifying >anything y
Re: [gentoo-user] alsamixer and pulseaudio - which is at fault?
On 12/29/2016 07:21 AM, Mick wrote: > Hi All, > > My sound has been behaving erratically for a while now, probably since > pulseaudio started being shipped with various desktop applications. This is > what I am talking about: > > Sound level undesirable > == > Kmail pops up a warning and the sound level is 100%. The first time. On the > second warning when it happens a couple of seconds later, the sound level is > back down to normal levels, say 55%. Without me interfering with any audio > settings. > > Some time later another warning pops up and this time the sound may be > normal, > a second warning a couple of seconds later may be back to 100%. It appears > to > me as if sound levels generated by dekstop/application warnings are adjusted > dynamically on the fly and at will, but not my will ... > > Non-KDE applications, e.g. Pidgin bleep at top volume when IMs are > sent/received. Adjusting their volume thankfully sticks, at least for the > desktop session in question. > > > Alsamixer > == > Running alsamixer shows: > > Card: PulseAudio > Chip: PulseAudio > > with a single Master bar for adjusting the volume. Selecting F6 shows Sound > Card set to (default), with 'HDA Intel MID' and 'HDA ATI HDMI' below it. > When > I select 0 for 'HDA Intel MID' I get all my familiar alsamixer settings back > including Master, Headphones, Speaker, PCM, Mic, etc. > > Adjusting these allow me to arrive at sane volume levels as used to be the > case in the past. However, the annoying thing is these settings do not stick > between reboots. > > > On another laptop with a different audio card, things are even stranger. The > card pops/crackles at boot time, but all sound is dead unless and until I run > alsactl init. Then if the sound gets quite loud, e.g. the other side of a > Skype call raises their voice above a certain level, all sound is lost until > I > run alsactl init again. This is becoming tedious to say the least. > > > Have you noticed anything similar to either of the above problems ? What may > be causing these problems and are there any fixes/workarounds? I honestly > can't recall sound ever being such a pain on my systems. > Link : > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/ALSA The link above is a good way to start. ( troubleshooting as well ) Gentoo has a boot shell script that does the "alsactl init" and shutdown for you. ( media-sound/alsa-utils ) Just be sure you also take a look at "/etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf" and make the required changes there as well.
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 4.9.0 + nvidia problem
On December 27, 2016 8:35:38 PM GMT+01:00, "J. Roeleveld" wrote: >On December 27, 2016 4:23:06 PM GMT+01:00, Philip Webb > wrote: >>I successfully configured, compiled & installed Kernel 4.9.0 (testing) >>& compiled Nvidia 375.26 (testing) to match ; >>there was a problem trying to use 4.9.0 with 361.28 (below). >>After reboot, X started, but with a primitive display (overlarge chars >>etc). >>I tried it with KDE 5 & with Fluxbox, but no difference : >>KDE couldn't start Plasma, but showed a few apps. >>There was a warning msg re Opengl, but nothing helpful. >> >>Previously & now again, everything is ok with Kernel 4.2.0-r1 + Nvidia >>361.28. >> >>There are many kernel versions available & many Nvidia versions ; >>there are also many USE flags & many kernel options. >>Before I try permutating them all (smile), has anyone else had trouble >>here ? > >I actually use the latest 4.8.x with the currently most recent stable >nvidia drivers and not seen anything weird. > >Will test with a few 3D heavy stuff tomorrow to be certain. > >-- >Joost Ok. Tested on my desktop yesterday. Latest stable kernel with latest stable nvidia does not work together. Had to revert back to an older one on my desktop. Will do some more testing over the weekend when akonadi (see other thread) has stabilized a bit. -- Joost -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [gentoo-user] alsamixer and pulseaudio - which is at fault?
On Thursday 29 Dec 2016 12:26:23 Corbin Bird wrote: > On 12/29/2016 07:21 AM, Mick wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > My sound has been behaving erratically for a while now, probably since > > pulseaudio started being shipped with various desktop applications. This > > is what I am talking about: > > > > Sound level undesirable > > == > > Kmail pops up a warning and the sound level is 100%. The first time. On > > the second warning when it happens a couple of seconds later, the sound > > level is back down to normal levels, say 55%. Without me interfering > > with any audio settings. > > > > Some time later another warning pops up and this time the sound may be > > normal, a second warning a couple of seconds later may be back to 100%. > > It appears to me as if sound levels generated by dekstop/application > > warnings are adjusted dynamically on the fly and at will, but not my will > > ... > > > > Non-KDE applications, e.g. Pidgin bleep at top volume when IMs are > > sent/received. Adjusting their volume thankfully sticks, at least for the > > desktop session in question. > > > > > > Alsamixer > > == > > > > Running alsamixer shows: > > Card: PulseAudio > > Chip: PulseAudio > > > > with a single Master bar for adjusting the volume. Selecting F6 shows > > Sound Card set to (default), with 'HDA Intel MID' and 'HDA ATI HDMI' > > below it. When I select 0 for 'HDA Intel MID' I get all my familiar > > alsamixer settings back including Master, Headphones, Speaker, PCM, Mic, > > etc. > > > > Adjusting these allow me to arrive at sane volume levels as used to be the > > case in the past. However, the annoying thing is these settings do not > > stick between reboots. > > > > > > On another laptop with a different audio card, things are even stranger. > > The card pops/crackles at boot time, but all sound is dead unless and > > until I run alsactl init. Then if the sound gets quite loud, e.g. the > > other side of a Skype call raises their voice above a certain level, all > > sound is lost until I run alsactl init again. This is becoming tedious > > to say the least. > > > > > > Have you noticed anything similar to either of the above problems ? What > > may be causing these problems and are there any fixes/workarounds? I > > honestly can't recall sound ever being such a pain on my systems. > > Link : > > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/ALSA > > The link above is a good way to start. ( troubleshooting as well ) > Gentoo has a boot shell script that does the "alsactl init" and shutdown > for you. ( media-sound/alsa-utils ) > Just be sure you also take a look at "/etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf" and > make the required changes there as well. Thank you Corbin, I've already been through the article and my alsa.conf has been working happily for years. This is a relatively recent problem though and I haven't found anything in the article that mentions these symptoms or addresses the problems I described above. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] alsamixer and pulseaudio - which is at fault?
On 12/29/2016 11:37 AM, Mick wrote: > On Thursday 29 Dec 2016 12:26:23 Corbin Bird wrote: >> On 12/29/2016 07:21 AM, Mick wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> My sound has been behaving erratically for a while now, probably since >>> pulseaudio started being shipped with various desktop applications. This >>> is what I am talking about: >>> >>> Sound level undesirable >>> == >>> Kmail pops up a warning and the sound level is 100%. The first time. On >>> the second warning when it happens a couple of seconds later, the sound >>> level is back down to normal levels, say 55%. Without me interfering >>> with any audio settings. >>> >>> Some time later another warning pops up and this time the sound may be >>> normal, a second warning a couple of seconds later may be back to 100%. >>> It appears to me as if sound levels generated by dekstop/application >>> warnings are adjusted dynamically on the fly and at will, but not my will >>> ... >>> >>> Non-KDE applications, e.g. Pidgin bleep at top volume when IMs are >>> sent/received. Adjusting their volume thankfully sticks, at least for the >>> desktop session in question. >>> >>> >>> Alsamixer >>> == >>> >>> Running alsamixer shows: >>> Card: PulseAudio >>> Chip: PulseAudio >>> >>> with a single Master bar for adjusting the volume. Selecting F6 shows >>> Sound Card set to (default), with 'HDA Intel MID' and 'HDA ATI HDMI' >>> below it. When I select 0 for 'HDA Intel MID' I get all my familiar >>> alsamixer settings back including Master, Headphones, Speaker, PCM, Mic, >>> etc. >>> >>> Adjusting these allow me to arrive at sane volume levels as used to be the >>> case in the past. However, the annoying thing is these settings do not >>> stick between reboots. >>> >>> >>> On another laptop with a different audio card, things are even stranger. >>> The card pops/crackles at boot time, but all sound is dead unless and >>> until I run alsactl init. Then if the sound gets quite loud, e.g. the >>> other side of a Skype call raises their voice above a certain level, all >>> sound is lost until I run alsactl init again. This is becoming tedious >>> to say the least. >>> >>> >>> Have you noticed anything similar to either of the above problems ? What >>> may be causing these problems and are there any fixes/workarounds? I >>> honestly can't recall sound ever being such a pain on my systems. >> >> Link : >>> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/ALSA >> >> The link above is a good way to start. ( troubleshooting as well ) >> Gentoo has a boot shell script that does the "alsactl init" and shutdown >> for you. ( media-sound/alsa-utils ) >> Just be sure you also take a look at "/etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf" and >> make the required changes there as well. > > Thank you Corbin, I've already been through the article and my alsa.conf has > been working happily for years. This is a relatively recent problem though > and I haven't found anything in the article that mentions these symptoms or > addresses the problems I described above. > I installed pulse to deal with spdif mixing (which alsa couldn't seem to do by itself at the time) and had odd problems until I used pulse's own mixer. Have you tried that? media-sound/pavucontrol - and it wasn't installed with pulse, I had to install it separately. I remember looking around for a curses-based mixer but at the time couldn't find one. I remember there was a setting there somewhere that was making something not quite work, I changed it and it's all good now. Dan
Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No
On 161229-05:13-0500, Tom H wrote: > On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 1:53 PM, lee wrote: > > Neil Bothwick writes: > >> > There are two ways to ensure that you always have the kernel's names: > > 1) Add "net.ifnames=0" to the kernel cmdline I use that all the time. Of course, I don't use the below, no poetterware in my machine: > 2) Override "NamePolicy=..." in "/lib/systemd/network/99-default.link" > with "NamePolicy=kernel" in "/etc/systemd/network/99-default.link". > But I respect if anybody else wants it, let them have it, just, allow free speech, as you, _mostly_, do, id est, to tell people unintrusively what that SystemDisaster is... And, I've been following this discussion, and firmly on the side which wants to keep Gentoo in the beautiful Unix tradition, but... I was wondering, since to get a reply about the original question is pretty difficult ( not all being open and available to know about it? Mozilla itself actually uncertain about alsa/pulse in its future? whatever, cannot spend anymore time on it, I moved, see below... ) , and maybe 3 percent of the text in the thread was on topic ( which is still: from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 ) and the rest was about other matters... I was wondering why hasn't anybody finally changed that subject line. Some of the emails of the thread are fine information, but like this, they are completely misplaced on principle which is, the principle: the subject line should be what the emails in a thread are about... And in this thread they are not well over 90% of the emails! ( I changed the subject line when I departed, and the threat of imposition of Pulseaudio to Linux users of Firefox has resulted in Pale Moon having a happy users and a supporter, Mozilla, you should not have insisted on that stupid impositions!... My split thread subject lines are: Reading the (SSL) traffic with Pale Moon http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/user/320799 ( Message-ID: <20161218055009.GA11155@g0n.xdwgrp> ) and Pale Moon Air-Gapped portage EAPI 6 Install http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/user/321074 ( Message-ID: <20161223043823.GA9835@g0n.xdwgrp> ) ) Thanks again to our developers who keep to the matchless Unix tradition, and allow such great choice in Gentoo (also to the other, poetterware side, as in choice, if you will)! -- Miroslav Rovis Zagreb, Croatia http://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No
On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > > Thanks again to our developers who keep to the matchless Unix tradition, > and allow such great choice in Gentoo (also to the other, poetterware > side, as in choice, if you will)! > Well, the intent is to allow as much choice either way, though sometimes upstream constraints get in the way of that. As long as somebody is willing to do the work necessary to keep a choice reasonably viable we're not going to turn it away. While we differ in our preferences this is what ultimately unites us the most, IMO. -- Rich
[gentoo-user] New box
I'm putting a new system, it will be running mainly, VirtualBox, Asterisk, Hylafax etc. (nothing graphic intensive). - IN WIN BL631 Low Profile Micro ATX Case w/ 300W Power Supply, - AMD FX-8350 Processor 4.0GHz w/ 16MB Cache - Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 w/ DDR3, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan - Kingston HyperX Fury 16GB DDR3-1866MHz CL10 Dual Channel Kit - Samsung 850 EVO Series mSATA Solid State Drive, 1TB - Asus GeForce GT 720 Silent CSM, 2GB, PCI-E w/ D-Sub VGA, DVI, HDMI Will I have any problems installing Gentoo on this configuration, eg. with Video Card etc.? Do I need more RAM? -- Thelma
Re: [gentoo-user] New box
the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > I'm putting a new system, it will be running mainly, VirtualBox, > Asterisk, Hylafax etc. (nothing graphic intensive). > > - IN WIN BL631 Low Profile Micro ATX Case w/ 300W Power Supply, > - AMD FX-8350 Processor 4.0GHz w/ 16MB Cache > - Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 w/ DDR3, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan > - Kingston HyperX Fury 16GB DDR3-1866MHz CL10 Dual Channel Kit > - Samsung 850 EVO Series mSATA Solid State Drive, 1TB > - Asus GeForce GT 720 Silent CSM, 2GB, PCI-E w/ D-Sub VGA, DVI, HDMI > > Will I have any problems installing Gentoo on this configuration, eg. > with Video Card etc.? > Do I need more RAM? > I built a rig a while back and have 16GBs of memory. I also have portage's work directory on tmpfs. There are times when I wish I had more memory. I'm planning to upgrade to 24GBs and eventually, 32GBs. I'm not sure what your board can hold but may want to think about future upgrades. I run KDE here, there are times where I use a lot of memory. I'm using ~8GBs as I type. I've been using a Gigabyte board for a long while. I'm happy with it. I actually still have a 2nd board that I upgraded from. It was a first step to upgrade memory and such. I think I had to change the IOMMU setting in the BIOS. I think that was the name of it. It's something like that. I think I had to add something to the kernel boot line too on that. Let me know if you need it, I'll go dig. One other thing, I have a UPS that shows what amount of power my system is using. It shows ~150 watts. It will jump to ~190 when compiling heavily. You may want to make sure that P/S is well made. I've never used a P/S that came with a case. Generally, they are cheaply made. May want to make sure of that before you use it. Nothing worse than a crappy P/S. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] New box
On 12/29/2016 08:06 PM, Dale wrote: > the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >> I'm putting a new system, it will be running mainly, VirtualBox, >> Asterisk, Hylafax etc. (nothing graphic intensive). >> >> - IN WIN BL631 Low Profile Micro ATX Case w/ 300W Power Supply, >> - AMD FX-8350 Processor 4.0GHz w/ 16MB Cache >> - Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 w/ DDR3, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan >> - Kingston HyperX Fury 16GB DDR3-1866MHz CL10 Dual Channel Kit >> - Samsung 850 EVO Series mSATA Solid State Drive, 1TB >> - Asus GeForce GT 720 Silent CSM, 2GB, PCI-E w/ D-Sub VGA, DVI, HDMI >> >> Will I have any problems installing Gentoo on this configuration, eg. >> with Video Card etc.? >> Do I need more RAM? >> > > > I built a rig a while back and have 16GBs of memory. I also have > portage's work directory on tmpfs. There are times when I wish I had > more memory. I'm planning to upgrade to 24GBs and eventually, 32GBs. > I'm not sure what your board can hold but may want to think about future > upgrades. I run KDE here, there are times where I use a lot of memory. > I'm using ~8GBs as I type. > > I've been using a Gigabyte board for a long while. I'm happy with it. > I actually still have a 2nd board that I upgraded from. It was a first > step to upgrade memory and such. I think I had to change the IOMMU > setting in the BIOS. I think that was the name of it. It's something > like that. I think I had to add something to the kernel boot line too > on that. Let me know if you need it, I'll go dig. > > One other thing, I have a UPS that shows what amount of power my system > is using. It shows ~150 watts. It will jump to ~190 when compiling > heavily. You may want to make sure that P/S is well made. I've never > used a P/S that came with a case. Generally, they are cheaply made. > May want to make sure of that before you use it. Nothing worse than a > crappy P/S. > > Dale > > :-) :-) Thank you for the input Dale. Yes, Power Supply is a good point. I think I'll change the case and select different PS. Any hints as to which brand is good? I think they are all made in China :-/ Thelma
Re: [gentoo-user] New box
On Thursday, December 29, 2016 9:36:43 PM CET the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > On 12/29/2016 08:06 PM, Dale wrote: > > the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > >> I'm putting a new system, it will be running mainly, VirtualBox, > >> Asterisk, Hylafax etc. (nothing graphic intensive). > >> > >> - IN WIN BL631 Low Profile Micro ATX Case w/ 300W Power Supply, > >> - AMD FX-8350 Processor 4.0GHz w/ 16MB Cache > >> - Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 w/ DDR3, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan > >> - Kingston HyperX Fury 16GB DDR3-1866MHz CL10 Dual Channel Kit > >> - Samsung 850 EVO Series mSATA Solid State Drive, 1TB > >> - Asus GeForce GT 720 Silent CSM, 2GB, PCI-E w/ D-Sub VGA, DVI, HDMI > >> > >> Will I have any problems installing Gentoo on this configuration, eg. > >> with Video Card etc.? > >> Do I need more RAM? > > > > I built a rig a while back and have 16GBs of memory. I also have > > portage's work directory on tmpfs. There are times when I wish I had > > more memory. I'm planning to upgrade to 24GBs and eventually, 32GBs. > > I'm not sure what your board can hold but may want to think about future > > upgrades. I run KDE here, there are times where I use a lot of memory. > > I'm using ~8GBs as I type. > > > > I've been using a Gigabyte board for a long while. I'm happy with it. > > I actually still have a 2nd board that I upgraded from. It was a first > > step to upgrade memory and such. I think I had to change the IOMMU > > setting in the BIOS. I think that was the name of it. It's something > > like that. I think I had to add something to the kernel boot line too > > on that. Let me know if you need it, I'll go dig. > > > > One other thing, I have a UPS that shows what amount of power my system > > is using. It shows ~150 watts. It will jump to ~190 when compiling > > heavily. You may want to make sure that P/S is well made. I've never > > used a P/S that came with a case. Generally, they are cheaply made. > > May want to make sure of that before you use it. Nothing worse than a > > crappy P/S. > > > > Dale > > > > :-) :-) > > Thank you for the input Dale. > Yes, Power Supply is a good point. I think I'll change the case and > select different PS. Any hints as to which brand is good? > > I think they are all made in China :-/ > > Thelma I agree with Dale. Make sure you have a good P/S. As for which are good, check reviews online, I am sure Dale and others know which sites are reliable. "Made in China" <> "Made in China", I know of Chinese manufacturers that make really good and reliable products. I also know some that simply don't care. In this case, replace Chinese with American, Dutch, German, and you end up with the same statement which will also be true. As for the specs: - 8 core CPU: nice - mSATA SSD: Make sure it fits your mainboard. NVMe is faster, but also more expensive. The Samsung EVO series are good for normal work-loads. The performance does tend to drop when the write-cache starts to fill up. With multiple VMs using disk and swap, that can happen quicker then you think. Check your requirements. - memory: Personally, I would increase this to 32GB with the fastest spec that matches the CPU and mainboard. It helps a lot, especially with Virtualbox. What isn't used by applications/VMs will be available for disk-cache. - Graphics: Can't really comment, for normal desktop effects, this will be more than enough. For average games, the same. For high-end games, you'd be speccing your computer differently anyway :) I also would consider, if you're using VMs, a large (size) spinning disk to store VM templates and ISO-images. These are not used often, but this way you can keep the SSD available for VMs, installed software and your documents. Laptop harddrives are generally quite power efficient. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] New box
the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > On 12/29/2016 08:06 PM, Dale wrote: >> the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >>> I'm putting a new system, it will be running mainly, VirtualBox, >>> Asterisk, Hylafax etc. (nothing graphic intensive). >>> >>> - IN WIN BL631 Low Profile Micro ATX Case w/ 300W Power Supply, >>> - AMD FX-8350 Processor 4.0GHz w/ 16MB Cache >>> - Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 w/ DDR3, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan >>> - Kingston HyperX Fury 16GB DDR3-1866MHz CL10 Dual Channel Kit >>> - Samsung 850 EVO Series mSATA Solid State Drive, 1TB >>> - Asus GeForce GT 720 Silent CSM, 2GB, PCI-E w/ D-Sub VGA, DVI, HDMI >>> >>> Will I have any problems installing Gentoo on this configuration, eg. >>> with Video Card etc.? >>> Do I need more RAM? >>> >> >> I built a rig a while back and have 16GBs of memory. I also have >> portage's work directory on tmpfs. There are times when I wish I had >> more memory. I'm planning to upgrade to 24GBs and eventually, 32GBs. >> I'm not sure what your board can hold but may want to think about future >> upgrades. I run KDE here, there are times where I use a lot of memory. >> I'm using ~8GBs as I type. >> >> I've been using a Gigabyte board for a long while. I'm happy with it. >> I actually still have a 2nd board that I upgraded from. It was a first >> step to upgrade memory and such. I think I had to change the IOMMU >> setting in the BIOS. I think that was the name of it. It's something >> like that. I think I had to add something to the kernel boot line too >> on that. Let me know if you need it, I'll go dig. >> >> One other thing, I have a UPS that shows what amount of power my system >> is using. It shows ~150 watts. It will jump to ~190 when compiling >> heavily. You may want to make sure that P/S is well made. I've never >> used a P/S that came with a case. Generally, they are cheaply made. >> May want to make sure of that before you use it. Nothing worse than a >> crappy P/S. >> >> Dale >> >> :-) :-) > Thank you for the input Dale. > Yes, Power Supply is a good point. I think I'll change the case and > select different PS. Any hints as to which brand is good? > > I think they are all made in China :-/ > > Thelma > On the case, there are tons of brands that are good. Mostly, just pick one that suites the purpose you need. When I built mine, I wanted one that would keep everything nice and cool even when compiling LibreO and some others that compile a while. I got the Cooler Master HAF-932. It's large tho. Seriously, it's large. It does have some really nice fans in it tho. Even when compiling for long periods of time, my temps are no higher than 110F and that would be in the summer when it is a bit warm in this room. In the winter, it can't even get to 95F or so. My CPU has a good size cooler. Can't recall the name but the stock one is in my storage building somewhere. It's tiny. The only downside, it needs blowing out pretty regular. When the idle temps get up a bit, I drag out the air tank. Oh, it sits right next to my bed, like 3 feet away. I've never heard it make a noise, no matter what it is compiling. The only noise is a slight vibration when the fans first turn on. If you need a tiny case tho, they make those too. Some small ones even have decent cooling. Just have to dig around. On the power supply, I would look at some reviews. I have a ThermalTake. It was well rated at the time. The link below tests power supplies pretty hard. They tough on them but they are pretty fair on the scoring. If they say it works well, it should work. They put loads on them that a normal home user likely never would. If it can't take the loads it claims, they don't have a problem letting the smoke out. Linky: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Review_Cat&recatnum=13 The way I do, I try to figure out what amount of power I predict the system will pull. Then I double or roughly double it. That way I get some wiggle room for errors or future upgrades plus that initial start up draw. Figuring that accurately is somewhat hard to do tho. When I built my current rig, I went way overboard. I think my P/S is like 700 watts or so. As I said, it pulls under 200 watts and that is after adding some hard drives and more memory to it. I suspect that 300 to 400 watts will do OK unless you plan to install some power hungry video card in there later. I have a Gigabyte 970A-UD3P board. I try to get as high a UD number as I can, if they still use those. I have 4 dimms installed and a 4 core CPU running at ~3.2GHz. I think most all the CPUs pull about the same, they claim to be 125 Watt or less. So, 4 core or 8 core, shouldn't be much different, I'd guess. I also have 4 hard drives. Given that info, you should be able to see what wattage you need. Oh, my video card was sent to me by a subscriber to this list. He had one he wanted to get rid of and I posted that I hadn't picked out one yet, and didn't need bleeding edge or a
[gentoo-user] multiple monitor video resolution problem
Hi all, I have upgraded my old core2 to an i7 on a x58 gigabyte MB. Lots faster but I am still using my older nvidia card (GF119 [GeForce GT 610] Nouveau driver), storage and original gentoo install. The problem is that I have two monitors - a 1920x1080 on DVI and a 1280x1050 on vga. On boot up until logging into the xfce desktop, the 1280x1050 resolution dominates. I have changed the boot through to end of the initrd level using grub, and I can overide the X Windowes desktop using xrandr. Whats left after logging in is an invisible bounding box of 1280x1050 on the desktop that I cant move icons out of, and the console on the 1920x1080 monitor is a 1280x1050 window on the 1920x1080 sized screen :( The strange thing is that this all worked perfectly on the old hardware (basicly just a motherboard/memory/powersupply swap with the same videocard and gentoo system) Is anyone able to offer suggestions? BillK
Re: [gentoo-user] New box
J. Roeleveld wrote: > On Thursday, December 29, 2016 9:36:43 PM CET the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >> On 12/29/2016 08:06 PM, Dale wrote: >>> the...@sys-concept.com wrote: I'm putting a new system, it will be running mainly, VirtualBox, Asterisk, Hylafax etc. (nothing graphic intensive). - IN WIN BL631 Low Profile Micro ATX Case w/ 300W Power Supply, - AMD FX-8350 Processor 4.0GHz w/ 16MB Cache - Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 w/ DDR3, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan - Kingston HyperX Fury 16GB DDR3-1866MHz CL10 Dual Channel Kit - Samsung 850 EVO Series mSATA Solid State Drive, 1TB - Asus GeForce GT 720 Silent CSM, 2GB, PCI-E w/ D-Sub VGA, DVI, HDMI Will I have any problems installing Gentoo on this configuration, eg. with Video Card etc.? Do I need more RAM? >>> I built a rig a while back and have 16GBs of memory. I also have >>> portage's work directory on tmpfs. There are times when I wish I had >>> more memory. I'm planning to upgrade to 24GBs and eventually, 32GBs. >>> I'm not sure what your board can hold but may want to think about future >>> upgrades. I run KDE here, there are times where I use a lot of memory. >>> I'm using ~8GBs as I type. >>> >>> I've been using a Gigabyte board for a long while. I'm happy with it. >>> I actually still have a 2nd board that I upgraded from. It was a first >>> step to upgrade memory and such. I think I had to change the IOMMU >>> setting in the BIOS. I think that was the name of it. It's something >>> like that. I think I had to add something to the kernel boot line too >>> on that. Let me know if you need it, I'll go dig. >>> >>> One other thing, I have a UPS that shows what amount of power my system >>> is using. It shows ~150 watts. It will jump to ~190 when compiling >>> heavily. You may want to make sure that P/S is well made. I've never >>> used a P/S that came with a case. Generally, they are cheaply made. >>> May want to make sure of that before you use it. Nothing worse than a >>> crappy P/S. >>> >>> Dale >>> >>> :-) :-) >> Thank you for the input Dale. >> Yes, Power Supply is a good point. I think I'll change the case and >> select different PS. Any hints as to which brand is good? >> >> I think they are all made in China :-/ >> >> Thelma > I agree with Dale. > > Make sure you have a good P/S. As for which are good, check reviews online, I > am sure Dale and others know which sites are reliable. > > "Made in China" <> "Made in China", I know of Chinese manufacturers that make > really good and reliable products. I also know some that simply don't care. > In this case, replace Chinese with American, Dutch, German, and you end > up > with the same statement which will also be true. The site I just posted a link to used to take points away for Chinese made caps and even some USA made ones I think. They really liked Japanese made caps in P/Ss. About a year or so ago, they started allowing some Chinese made caps. Some of them make some really good long life caps. What you say is so true. It's just like hard drives. If you ask, there will always be a few that will say brand X is junk because I had one that failed and I lost data, and it killed my kids etc etc. I've lost a couple Western Digital drives myself but I'd still buy one. Both of them warned me using the S.M.A.R.T. utils that they were failing. Hey, if it's going to fail, at least let me have some warning so that I can save my stuff. I can be forgiving on the rest. Same with Samsung. I got a 3TB Samsung that is a nifty door stop. :/ One thing about that site I linked to, if it has caps in it that are questionable, they say so. They also disassemble the units so that you can see how they are built. You don't have to take the sites word for what is in there. You can look for yourself. > > As for the specs: > > - 8 core CPU: nice Makes me drool a bit here. I want a 8 core CPU. The only downside, gkrellm won't have enough screen to show each core separately. That's a problem there. lol It already takes up the whole right side on one desktop. I guess I could make the thing shorter to fit them all in. > > - mSATA SSD: Make sure it fits your mainboard. NVMe is faster, but also more > expensive. > The Samsung EVO series are good for normal work-loads. The performance does > tend to drop when the write-cache starts to fill up. With multiple VMs using > disk and swap, that can happen quicker then you think. Check your > requirements. > > - memory: Personally, I would increase this to 32GB with the fastest spec > that > matches the CPU and mainboard. It helps a lot, especially with Virtualbox. > What isn't used by applications/VMs will be available for disk-cache. Same here. Putting portage's work directory on tmpfs does make it measurably faster. Bad thing is, if Firefox and LibreO needs to update at the same time, I have to go back to spinning rust or do them by themselves. It runs out of memor
Re: [gentoo-user] New box
On Friday, December 30, 2016 12:24:36 AM CET Dale wrote: > J. Roeleveld wrote: > > > As for the specs: > > > > - 8 core CPU: nice > > Makes me drool a bit here. I want a 8 core CPU. The only downside, > gkrellm won't have enough screen to show each core separately. That's a > problem there. lol It already takes up the whole right side on one > desktop. I guess I could make the thing shorter to fit them all in. I know what you mean. What I miss is an option to have gkrellm on 1 side of the screen and when I maximize a window, that doesn't hide gkrellm. I limited some of the sensors to be able to fit all 12 virtual cores. (Or if there is, where do I set it) > > - mSATA SSD: Make sure it fits your mainboard. NVMe is faster, but also > > more expensive. > > The Samsung EVO series are good for normal work-loads. The performance > > does > > tend to drop when the write-cache starts to fill up. With multiple VMs > > using disk and swap, that can happen quicker then you think. Check your > > requirements. > > > > - memory: Personally, I would increase this to 32GB with the fastest spec > > that matches the CPU and mainboard. It helps a lot, especially with > > Virtualbox. What isn't used by applications/VMs will be available for > > disk-cache. > Same here. Putting portage's work directory on tmpfs does make it > measurably faster. Bad thing is, if Firefox and LibreO needs to update > at the same time, I have to go back to spinning rust or do them by > themselves. It runs out of memory pretty fast. I have 32GB in my desktop and I can run a "emerge -e @world" without issues and portages work directory is on tmpfs. And that is with the following parallel-settings in make.conf: MAKEOPTS="--jobs 12 --load-average 14" EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--jobs 12 --load-average 14" (Using a 6-core i7) -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] New box
On Thursday, December 29, 2016 11:45:30 PM CET Dale wrote: > the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > > On 12/29/2016 08:06 PM, Dale wrote: > >> the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > >>> I'm putting a new system, it will be running mainly, VirtualBox, > >>> Asterisk, Hylafax etc. (nothing graphic intensive). > >>> > >>> - IN WIN BL631 Low Profile Micro ATX Case w/ 300W Power Supply, > >>> - AMD FX-8350 Processor 4.0GHz w/ 16MB Cache > >>> - Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 w/ DDR3, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan > >>> - Kingston HyperX Fury 16GB DDR3-1866MHz CL10 Dual Channel Kit > >>> - Samsung 850 EVO Series mSATA Solid State Drive, 1TB > >>> - Asus GeForce GT 720 Silent CSM, 2GB, PCI-E w/ D-Sub VGA, DVI, HDMI > >>> > >>> Will I have any problems installing Gentoo on this configuration, eg. > >>> with Video Card etc.? > >>> Do I need more RAM? > >> > >> I built a rig a while back and have 16GBs of memory. I also have > >> portage's work directory on tmpfs. There are times when I wish I had > >> more memory. I'm planning to upgrade to 24GBs and eventually, 32GBs. > >> I'm not sure what your board can hold but may want to think about future > >> upgrades. I run KDE here, there are times where I use a lot of memory. > >> I'm using ~8GBs as I type. > >> > >> I've been using a Gigabyte board for a long while. I'm happy with it. > >> I actually still have a 2nd board that I upgraded from. It was a first > >> step to upgrade memory and such. I think I had to change the IOMMU > >> setting in the BIOS. I think that was the name of it. It's something > >> like that. I think I had to add something to the kernel boot line too > >> on that. Let me know if you need it, I'll go dig. > >> > >> One other thing, I have a UPS that shows what amount of power my system > >> is using. It shows ~150 watts. It will jump to ~190 when compiling > >> heavily. You may want to make sure that P/S is well made. I've never > >> used a P/S that came with a case. Generally, they are cheaply made. > >> May want to make sure of that before you use it. Nothing worse than a > >> crappy P/S. > >> > >> Dale > >> > >> :-) :-) > > > > Thank you for the input Dale. > > Yes, Power Supply is a good point. I think I'll change the case and > > select different PS. Any hints as to which brand is good? > > > > I think they are all made in China :-/ > > > > Thelma > > On the case, there are tons of brands that are good. Mostly, just pick > one that suites the purpose you need. When I built mine, I wanted one > that would keep everything nice and cool even when compiling LibreO and > some others that compile a while. I got the Cooler Master HAF-932. > It's large tho. Seriously, it's large. It does have some really nice > fans in it tho. Even when compiling for long periods of time, my temps > are no higher than 110F and that would be in the summer when it is a bit > warm in this room. In the winter, it can't even get to 95F or so. My > CPU has a good size cooler. Can't recall the name but the stock one is > in my storage building somewhere. It's tiny. The only downside, it > needs blowing out pretty regular. When the idle temps get up a bit, I > drag out the air tank. Oh, it sits right next to my bed, like 3 feet > away. I've never heard it make a noise, no matter what it is compiling. > The only noise is a slight vibration when the fans first turn on. If > you need a tiny case tho, they make those too. Some small ones even > have decent cooling. Just have to dig around. > > On the power supply, I would look at some reviews. I have a > ThermalTake. It was well rated at the time. The link below tests > power supplies pretty hard. They tough on them but they are pretty fair > on the scoring. If they say it works well, it should work. They put > loads on them that a normal home user likely never would. If it can't > take the loads it claims, they don't have a problem letting the smoke > out. Linky: > > http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Review_Cat&recatnum=1 > 3 > > > The way I do, I try to figure out what amount of power I predict the > system will pull. Then I double or roughly double it. That way I get > some wiggle room for errors or future upgrades plus that initial start > up draw. Figuring that accurately is somewhat hard to do tho. When I > built my current rig, I went way overboard. I think my P/S is like 700 > watts or so. As I said, it pulls under 200 watts and that is after > adding some hard drives and more memory to it. I suspect that 300 to > 400 watts will do OK unless you plan to install some power hungry video > card in there later. > > I have a Gigabyte 970A-UD3P board. I try to get as high a UD number as > I can, if they still use those. I have 4 dimms installed and a 4 core > CPU running at ~3.2GHz. I think most all the CPUs pull about the same, > they claim to be 125 Watt or less. So, 4 core or 8 core, shouldn't be > much different, I'd guess. I also have 4 hard drives. Give
Re: [gentoo-user] New box
J. Roeleveld wrote: > On Friday, December 30, 2016 12:24:36 AM CET Dale wrote: >> J. Roeleveld wrote: >> >>> As for the specs: >>> >>> - 8 core CPU: nice >> Makes me drool a bit here. I want a 8 core CPU. The only downside, >> gkrellm won't have enough screen to show each core separately. That's a >> problem there. lol It already takes up the whole right side on one >> desktop. I guess I could make the thing shorter to fit them all in. > I know what you mean. What I miss is an option to have gkrellm on 1 side of > the screen and when I maximize a window, that doesn't hide gkrellm. > I limited some of the sensors to be able to fit all 12 virtual cores. > (Or if there is, where do I set it) I wish we could divide it in half. Have some sensors on the left side and some on the right. Dang, 12 cores. That does take up a lot of room. To have it all show up, one would about have to turn their monitor on its side and make it tall instead of wide. > >>> - mSATA SSD: Make sure it fits your mainboard. NVMe is faster, but also >>> more expensive. >>> The Samsung EVO series are good for normal work-loads. The performance >>> does >>> tend to drop when the write-cache starts to fill up. With multiple VMs >>> using disk and swap, that can happen quicker then you think. Check your >>> requirements. >>> >>> - memory: Personally, I would increase this to 32GB with the fastest spec >>> that matches the CPU and mainboard. It helps a lot, especially with >>> Virtualbox. What isn't used by applications/VMs will be available for >>> disk-cache. >> Same here. Putting portage's work directory on tmpfs does make it >> measurably faster. Bad thing is, if Firefox and LibreO needs to update >> at the same time, I have to go back to spinning rust or do them by >> themselves. It runs out of memory pretty fast. > I have 32GB in my desktop and I can run a "emerge -e @world" without issues > and portages work directory is on tmpfs. > And that is with the following parallel-settings in make.conf: > MAKEOPTS="--jobs 12 --load-average 14" > EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--jobs 12 --load-average 14" > (Using a 6-core i7) > > -- > Joost > My settings: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--with-bdeps y --backtrack=100 --keep-going -v -j8 --quiet-build=n -1" I forgot I had that set to 8 jobs. Wonder why I did that? Given your experience, I want to get more ram and more cores. Dale :-) :-)
