comment Re: [geo] Fw: [CAN-talk] Outcome statement of Climate Space at the World Social Forum in Tunisia

2013-05-13 Thread Emily

hi

I had written a front comment to the Outcome statement I forwarded, but 
it got stripped out:


I am not surprised that this statement calls for a ban on geo-eng when I 
look at the list of signatories.


I have replied to 'Janet' and I know some ETC people are alos monitoring 
this list - to say that statements like withis with no definition or 
qualification are unwise given the dire state of things.

It'd be like banning all medicine because some have side effects.

I call on the NGO world to take a reasoned, balanced and sophisticated 
approach to all climate adaptation and mitigation opportunities.


To clarify - I do not support the Outcome statement.

Best wishes,

Emily.

On 13/05/2013 19:56, Emily L-B wrote:

Hi folks -

I wanted to share with you a statement that was drafted at the conclusion
of a week of workshops, plenaries, dialogues and debates convened in a
dedicated 'climate space' at the World Social Forum in Tunisia this April.

I think it paints a pretty good picture of what's on the minds of many in
the global climate justice movement. Food for thought in our policy work.

-Janet
p.s. The statement is also attached in multiple languages


To Reclaim Our Future, We Must Change the Present. Our Proposal for
Changing the System and not the Climate

The capitalist system has exploited and abused nature, pushing the planet
to its limits, so much so that the system has accelerated dangerous and
fundamental changes in the climate.

Today, the severity and multiplicity of weather changes – characterized by
droughts, desertification, floods, hurricanes, typhoons, forest fires and
the melting of glaciers and sea ice – indicate that the planet is burning.
These extreme changes have direct impacts on humans through the loss lives,
livelihoods, crops and homes all of which have led to human displacement in
the form of forced migration and climate refugees on a massive an
unprecedented scale.

Humanity and nature are now standing at a precipice. We can stand idle and
continue the march into an abysmal future too dire to imagine, or we can
take action and reclaim a future that we have all hoped for.

We will not stand idle. We will not allow the capitalist system to burn us
all. We will take action and address the root causes of climate change by
changing the system. The time has come to stop talking and to take action.

We must nurture, support, strengthen and increase the scale of grassroots
organizing in all places, but in particular in frontline battlegrounds
where the stakes are the highest.

System Change means:

- Leave more than two thirds of fossil fuel reserves under the soil, as
well as beneath the ocean floor, in order to prevent catastrophic levels of
climate change.
- Ban all new exploration and exploitation of oil, tar sands, oil shale,
coal, uranium, and natural gas.
- Support a just transition for workers and communities away from the
extreme energy economy and into resilient local economies based on social,
economic and environmental justice.
- Decentralize the generation and ownership of energy under local
community control using renewable sources of energy. Invest in community
based, small-scale, local energy infrastructure.
- Stop building mega and unnecessary infrastructure projects that do not
benefit the population and are net contributors to greenhouse gasses like,
mega dams, excessive huge highways, large-scale centralized energy
projects, and superfluous massive airports.
- End the dominance of export-based industrial forms of food production,
(including in the livestock sector), and promote small-scale integrated and
ecologically sound farming and an agriculture system that ensures food
sovereignty, and that locally grown crops meet the nutritional and cultural
needs of the local community. These measures will help to cool the planet.
- Adopt Zero Waste approaches through promoting comprehensive recycling
and composting programs that end the use of greenhouse gas emitting
incinerators – including new generation hi-tech incinerators – and
landfills.
- Stop land grabbing and respect the rights of small farmers, peasants
and women. Recognize the collective rights of indigenous and tribal peoples
consistent with the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples,
including their rights to their lands and territories.
- Develop economic strategies that create new kinds of ‘climate jobs’ –
decent paying jobs that directly contribute to carbon reductions – in such
sectors as renewable energy, agriculture, public transportation and
building retrofits.
- Recover the control of the public sources to finance projects for
people and nature like health, education, food, employment, housing,
restoration of water sheds, conservation and restoration of forest and
other ecosystems and others and stop the subsidies to dirty industries,

Re: comment Re: [geo] Fw: [CAN-talk] Outcome statement of Climate Space at the World Social Forum in Tunisia

2013-05-13 Thread RAU greg
Thanks Emily (Janet?). I think the title says it all: To Reclaim Our Future, We 
Must Change the Present. Our Proposal for Changing the System AND NOT THE 
CLIMATE  
Indeed, this would appear to be a strategy calling for social and political 
(re)engineering, with questionable relevance to preventing climate change. Yes, 
we could go back to the good old, low emission days of pre 1750, but that would 
appear to require some significant sacrifice in food, heat, light, and medical 
care that most might balk at. Sustainably supporting 7+ B people and a 
habitable 
climate will need some broader thinking and engineering (of all kinds). Under 
the circumstances let's not prematurely jettison our options until they are 
proven unnecessary.
-Greg




From: Emily em...@lewis-brown.net
To: geoengineering@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, May 13, 2013 12:39:01 PM
Subject: comment Re: [geo] Fw: [CAN-talk] Outcome statement of Climate Space at 
the World Social Forum in Tunisia

hi

I had written a front comment to the Outcome statement I forwarded, but 
it got stripped out:

I am not surprised that this statement calls for a ban on geo-eng when I 
look at the list of signatories.

I have replied to 'Janet' and I know some ETC people are alos monitoring 
this list - to say that statements like withis with no definition or 
qualification are unwise given the dire state of things.
It'd be like banning all medicine because some have side effects.

I call on the NGO world to take a reasoned, balanced and sophisticated 
approach to all climate adaptation and mitigation opportunities.

To clarify - I do not support the Outcome statement.

Best wishes,

Emily.

On 13/05/2013 19:56, Emily L-B wrote:
 Hi folks -

 I wanted to share with you a statement that was drafted at the conclusion
 of a week of workshops, plenaries, dialogues and debates convened in a
 dedicated 'climate space' at the World Social Forum in Tunisia this April.

 I think it paints a pretty good picture of what's on the minds of many in
 the global climate justice movement. Food for thought in our policy work.

 -Janet
 p.s. The statement is also attached in multiple languages


 To Reclaim Our Future, We Must Change the Present. Our Proposal for
 Changing the System and not the Climate

 The capitalist system has exploited and abused nature, pushing the planet
 to its limits, so much so that the system has accelerated dangerous and
 fundamental changes in the climate.

 Today, the severity and multiplicity of weather changes – characterized by
 droughts, desertification, floods, hurricanes, typhoons, forest fires and
 the melting of glaciers and sea ice – indicate that the planet is burning.
 These extreme changes have direct impacts on humans through the loss lives,
 livelihoods, crops and homes all of which have led to human displacement in
 the form of forced migration and climate refugees on a massive an
 unprecedented scale.

 Humanity and nature are now standing at a precipice. We can stand idle and
 continue the march into an abysmal future too dire to imagine, or we can
 take action and reclaim a future that we have all hoped for.

 We will not stand idle. We will not allow the capitalist system to burn us
 all. We will take action and address the root causes of climate change by
 changing the system. The time has come to stop talking and to take action.

 We must nurture, support, strengthen and increase the scale of grassroots
 organizing in all places, but in particular in frontline battlegrounds
 where the stakes are the highest.

 System Change means:

 - Leave more than two thirds of fossil fuel reserves under the soil, as
 well as beneath the ocean floor, in order to prevent catastrophic levels 
of
 climate change.
 - Ban all new exploration and exploitation of oil, tar sands, oil shale,
 coal, uranium, and natural gas.
 - Support a just transition for workers and communities away from the
 extreme energy economy and into resilient local economies based on social,
 economic and environmental justice.
 - Decentralize the generation and ownership of energy under local
 community control using renewable sources of energy. Invest in community
 based, small-scale, local energy infrastructure.
 - Stop building mega and unnecessary infrastructure projects that do not
 benefit the population and are net contributors to greenhouse gasses like,
 mega dams, excessive huge highways, large-scale centralized energy
 projects, and superfluous massive airports.
 - End the dominance of export-based industrial forms of food production,
 (including in the livestock sector), and promote small-scale integrated 
and
 ecologically sound farming and an agriculture system that ensures food
 sovereignty, and that locally grown crops meet the nutritional and 
cultural
 needs of the local community. These measures will help to cool the planet.
 - Adopt Zero 

RE: [geo] Fw: [CAN-talk] Outcome statement of Climate Space at the World Social Forum in Tunisia

2013-05-13 Thread Rau, Greg
Thanks Emily (Janet?). I think the title says it all: To Reclaim Our Future, We 
Must Change the Present. Our Proposal for Changing the System AND NOT THE 
CLIMATE
Indeed, this would appear to be a strategy calling for social and political 
(re)engineering, with questionable relevance to climate change. Yes, we could 
go back to the good old, low emission days of pre 1750, but that would appear 
to require some significant sacrifice in food, heat, light, and medical care 
that most might balk at. Sustainably supporting 7+ B people and a habitable 
climate will need some broader thinking and engineering (of all kinds). Under 
the circumstances let's not prematurely jettison our options until they are 
proven unnecessary.
-Greg

From: geoengineering@googlegroups.com [geoengineering@googlegroups.com] on 
behalf of Emily L-B [em...@lewis-brown.net]
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 11:56 AM
To: geoengineering@googlegroups.com
Subject: [geo] Fw: [CAN-talk] Outcome statement of Climate Space at the World 
Social Forum in Tunisia

Hi folks -

I wanted to share with you a statement that was drafted at the conclusion of a 
week of workshops, plenaries, dialogues and debates convened in a dedicated 
'climate space' at the World Social Forum in Tunisia this April.

I think it paints a pretty good picture of what's on the minds of many in the 
global climate justice movement. Food for thought in our policy work.

-Janet
p.s. The statement is also attached in multiple languages


To Reclaim Our Future, We Must Change the Present. Our Proposal for Changing 
the System and not the Climate

The capitalist system has exploited and abused nature, pushing the planet to 
its limits, so much so that the system has accelerated dangerous and 
fundamental changes in the climate.

Today, the severity and multiplicity of weather changes – characterized by 
droughts, desertification, floods, hurricanes, typhoons, forest fires and the 
melting of glaciers and sea ice – indicate that the planet is burning. These 
extreme changes have direct impacts on humans through the loss lives, 
livelihoods, crops and homes all of which have led to human displacement in the 
form of forced migration and climate refugees on a massive an unprecedented 
scale.

Humanity and nature are now standing at a precipice. We can stand idle and 
continue the march into an abysmal future too dire to imagine, or we can take 
action and reclaim a future that we have all hoped for.

We will not stand idle. We will not allow the capitalist system to burn us all. 
We will take action and address the root causes of climate change by changing 
the system. The time has come to stop talking and to take action.

We must nurture, support, strengthen and increase the scale of grassroots 
organizing in all places, but in particular in frontline battlegrounds where 
the stakes are the highest.

System Change means:

  *   Leave more than two thirds of fossil fuel reserves under the soil, as 
well as beneath the ocean floor, in order to prevent catastrophic levels of 
climate change.
  *   Ban all new exploration and exploitation of oil, tar sands, oil shale, 
coal, uranium, and natural gas.
  *   Support a just transition for workers and communities away from the 
extreme energy economy and into resilient local economies based on social, 
economic and environmental justice.
  *   Decentralize the generation and ownership of energy under local community 
control using renewable sources of energy. Invest in community based, 
small-scale, local energy infrastructure.
  *   Stop building mega and unnecessary infrastructure projects that do not 
benefit the population and are net contributors to greenhouse gasses like, mega 
dams, excessive huge highways, large-scale centralized energy projects, and 
superfluous massive airports.
  *   End the dominance of export-based industrial forms of food production, 
(including in the livestock sector), and promote small-scale integrated and 
ecologically sound farming and an agriculture system that ensures food 
sovereignty, and that locally grown crops meet the nutritional and cultural 
needs of the local community. These measures will help to cool the planet.
  *   Adopt Zero Waste approaches through promoting comprehensive recycling and 
composting programs that end the use of greenhouse gas emitting incinerators – 
including new generation hi-tech incinerators – and landfills.
  *   Stop land grabbing and respect the rights of small farmers, peasants and 
women. Recognize the collective rights of indigenous and tribal peoples 
consistent with the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, 
including their rights to their lands and territories.
  *   Develop economic strategies that create new kinds of ‘climate jobs’ – 
decent paying jobs that directly contribute to carbon reductions – in such 
sectors as renewable energy, agriculture, public transportation and building 
retrofits.
  *   Recover the