Re: unable to get specific pid
On 25/02/2015 15:32, Colin Law wrote: On 25 February 2015 at 15:27, John Adams servicesuk-...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: p00f79tm This pid is to a programme that the iplayer will play - after you accepting the parental lock dialog, but get_iplayer won't download. I think it would be good to copy/paste the command you are using and the resulting output. Colin Command: get_iplayer -g --force --pid p00f79tm Output: get_iplayer v2.91, Copyright (C) 2008-2010 Phil Lewis This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details use --warranty. This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; use --conditions for details. INFO Trying to stream pid using type tv INFO: pid found in cache Matches: 1642:The Great War - 9. Please God, Send Us Victory, BBC Two, Factual,History, default INFO: 1 Matching Programmes WARNING: No programme versions found Windows XP 32-bit ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: unable to get specific pid
On 25 February 2015 at 15:27, John Adams servicesuk-...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: p00f79tm This pid is to a programme that the iplayer will play - after you accepting the parental lock dialog, but get_iplayer won't download. I think it would be good to copy/paste the command you are using and the resulting output. Colin ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: unable to get specific pid
On 25 February 2015 at 15:52, John Adams servicesuk-anon...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 25/02/2015 15:32, Colin Law wrote: On 25 February 2015 at 15:27, John Adams servicesuk-...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: p00f79tm This pid is to a programme that the iplayer will play - after you accepting the parental lock dialog, but get_iplayer won't download. I think it would be good to copy/paste the command you are using and the resulting output. Colin Command: get_iplayer -g --force --pid p00f79tm Output: get_iplayer v2.91, Copyright (C) 2008-2010 Phil Lewis This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details use --warranty. This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; use --conditions for details. INFO Trying to stream pid using type tv INFO: pid found in cache Matches: 1642:The Great War - 9. Please God, Send Us Victory, BBC Two, Factual,History, default INFO: 1 Matching Programmes WARNING: No programme versions found Does your pid match the one shown by get-iplayer -i 1642 You could try get-iplayer -get 1642 Colin ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
unable to get specific pid
p00f79tm This pid is to a programme that the iplayer will play - after you accepting the parental lock dialog, but get_iplayer won't download it. Can anyone else access it? If not, is it something to do with the programme being subject to the BBC's parental lock? ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
unable to get specific pid
p00f79tm This pid is to a programme that the iplayer will play - after you accepting the parental lock dialog, but get_iplayer won't download. Can anyone else access it? If not, is it something to do with the programme being subject to the BBC's parental lock? ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: unable to get specific pid
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 15:52:37 +, John Adams wrote: INFO: 1 Matching Programmes WARNING: No programme versions found Ditto with get_iplayer 2.91-ppa21, on a OSMC/Kodi Pi. -- Cheers Dave. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: unable to get specific pid
On 25/02/2015 15:56, Colin Law wrote: On 25 February 2015 at 15:52, John Adams servicesuk-anon...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 25/02/2015 15:32, Colin Law wrote: On 25 February 2015 at 15:27, John Adams servicesuk-...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: p00f79tm This pid is to a programme that the iplayer will play - after you accepting the parental lock dialog, but get_iplayer won't download. I think it would be good to copy/paste the command you are using and the resulting output. Colin Command: get_iplayer -g --force --pid p00f79tm Output: get_iplayer v2.91, Copyright (C) 2008-2010 Phil Lewis This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details use --warranty. This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; use --conditions for details. INFO Trying to stream pid using type tv INFO: pid found in cache Matches: 1642:The Great War - 9. Please God, Send Us Victory, BBC Two, Factual,History, default INFO: 1 Matching Programmes WARNING: No programme versions found Does your pid match the one shown by get-iplayer -i 1642 You could try get-iplayer -get 1642 Colin 1. Yes it does 2. I tried that - same result. What happens when you try either command? ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: unable to get specific pid
Seeing as I still had the window open and the command in my history, I just tried that and it worked here. That is: get_iplayer --PID p00f79tm --tvmode=best --force --playlist-metadata Works. On 25/02/15 17:11, tellyaddict wrote: p00f79tm This pid is to a programme that the iplayer will play - after you accepting the parental lock dialog, but get_iplayer won't download. I think it would be good to copy/paste the command you are using and the resulting output. Colin Command: get_iplayer -g --force --pid p00f79tm Try adding --playlist-metadata to the command John eg: get_iplayer --modes=best --pid p00f79tm --playlist-metadata ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
RE: unable to get specific pid
Downloaded this with no problem y'day ... The only thing that I can think of is that you are trying for a version that doesn't (possibly yet) exist - for example flashhd, audio-described, signed, or something similar. www.macfh.co.uk/CEMH.html UK Residents: If you feel can possibly support it please sign the following ePetition before closing time of 30/03/2015 23:59:- http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/71556 p00f79tm This pid is to a programme that the iplayer will play - after you accepting the parental lock dialog, but get_iplayer won't download it. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: unable to get specific pid
This is Episode 9 of The Great War which hasn't been shown on TV yet - it's being broadcast tomorrow afternoon. A. -- It was shown last Sunday. Indeed now, thanks to TellyAddict, I have downloaded it. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: unable to get specific pid
Use --pid= and then the pid, not a space. Colin On 25 Feb 2015, at 18:05, tellyaddict tellyaddic...@gmx.co.uk wrote: Because Colin is using the cache numbers instead of the direct PID he is ending up with a different programme. In his cache, 1634 is probably the programme you are after but in your cache it will likely be a completely different programme. Colin, why are you asking me to download a totally different programme from the one my original posting refers to? Downloading a different programme - such as the one you suggest - works, which is why I asked for folk to test the specific PID I quoted in my original post. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: unable to get specific pid
On 25 February 2015 at 16:06, John Adams servicesuk-anon...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 25/02/2015 15:56, Colin Law wrote: On 25 February 2015 at 15:52, John Adams servicesuk-anon...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 25/02/2015 15:32, Colin Law wrote: On 25 February 2015 at 15:27, John Adams servicesuk-...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: p00f79tm This pid is to a programme that the iplayer will play - after you accepting the parental lock dialog, but get_iplayer won't download. I think it would be good to copy/paste the command you are using and the resulting output. Colin Command: get_iplayer -g --force --pid p00f79tm Output: get_iplayer v2.91, Copyright (C) 2008-2010 Phil Lewis This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details use --warranty. This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; use --conditions for details. INFO Trying to stream pid using type tv INFO: pid found in cache Matches: 1642:The Great War - 9. Please God, Send Us Victory, BBC Two, Factual,History, default INFO: 1 Matching Programmes WARNING: No programme versions found Does your pid match the one shown by get-iplayer -i 1642 You could try get-iplayer -get 1642 Colin 1. Yes it does 2. I tried that - same result. What happens when you try either command? $ get-iplayer the great war get_iplayer v2.91, Copyright (C) 2008-2010 Phil Lewis This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details use --warranty. This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; use --conditions for details. Matches: 1626:The Great War Interviews - 1. Frank Brent, BBC, Factual,History, default 1627:The Great War Interviews - 2. Katie Morter, BBC, Factual,History, default 1628:The Great War Interviews - 3. Henry Williamson, BBC, Factual,History, default 1629:The Great War Interviews - 4. Cecil Arthur Lewis, BBC, Factual,History, default 1630:The Great War Interviews - 5. Stefan Westmann, BBC, Factual,History, default 1631:The Great War Interviews - 6. Charles Carrington, BBC, Factual,History, default 1632:The Great War Interviews - 7. Mabel Lethbridge, BBC, Factual,History, default 1633:The Great War Interviews - 8. John Willis Palmer, BBC, Factual,History, default 1634:The Great War Interviews - 9. Edward Glendinning, BBC, Factual,History, default 1635:The Great War Interviews - 10. Horace Leslie Birks, BBC, Factual,History, default 1636:The Great War Interviews - 11. Richard Henry Tobin, BBC, Factual,History, default 1637:The Great War Interviews - 12. Edward Louis Spears, BBC, Factual,History, default 1638:The Great War Interviews - 13. Norman Macmillan, BBC, Factual,History, default 1639:The Great War - 9. Please God, Send Us Victory, BBC Two, Factual,History, default $ get-iplayer -i 1634 get_iplayer v2.91, Copyright (C) 2008-2010 Phil Lewis This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details use --warranty. This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; use --conditions for details. Matches: 1634:The Great War Interviews - 9. Edward Glendinning, BBC, Factual,History, default INFO: Using 'iplayer' version as default INFO: File name prefix = The_Great_War_Interviews-9 ... pid:p01td39d ... $ get-iplayer --get 1634 appears to work ok. Colin ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: unable to get specific pid
I wonder if it will start working tomorrow afternoon? This is Episode 9 of The Great War which hasn't been shown on TV yet - it's being broadcast tomorrow afternoon. Episode 8 was shown this afternoon, downloads fine and has the PID: b0074p2f Which starts with a b. Episode 9 is shown as available, but the PID starts with a p - which makes it a podcast. I wonder if this will change after the show has been broadcast? A. On 25/02/15 17:11, tellyaddict wrote: p00f79tm This pid is to a programme that the iplayer will play - after you accepting the parental lock dialog, but get_iplayer won't download. I think it would be good to copy/paste the command you are using and the resulting output. Colin Command: get_iplayer -g --force --pid p00f79tm Try adding --playlist-metadata to the command John eg: get_iplayer --modes=best --pid p00f79tm --playlist-metadata ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: unable to get specific pid
Sorry folks, I've replied to you all, but my postings have stopped appearing on the list :/ ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: unable to get specific pid
Andrew J. Baker and...@bewareoftheleopard.com wrote: Episode 9 is shown as available, but the PID starts with a p - which makes it a podcast. Lots of both Radio and TV programmes have p-prefix pids. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: unable to get specific pid
On 25/02/2015 18:21, Colin Law wrote: On 25 February 2015 at 17:44, John Adams servicesuk-...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Sorry folks, I've replied to you all, but my postings have stopped appearing on the list :/ Possibly you were just replying with Reply rather than Reply All or Reply List Colin ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer Well, that is true, but my posting you've replied to was such a Reply post - as is this one !!! ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
RE: Casualty anyone?
When I ran this on my Win 7 machine at the start of the download I saw the message: INFO: Using 'open' version as default On an XP machine (with 2.91 again), the message was: INFO: Using 'editorial' version as default Can someone explain the difference between 'open' and 'editorial' versions? AFAIK the Editorial tag can be applied to describe whether a programme is premiere, last chance to see, exclusive to iPlayer and so on - was that the case for that episode? ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: unable to get specific pid
John Adams servicesuk-anon...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Command: get_iplayer -g --force --pid p00f79tm If you're trying to find out why things don't work (or to get info to cp here), at least add --verbose to the command so there's some detail! -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: unable to get specific pid
John Adams servicesuk-anon...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: OK, but can you download that specific PID today? Yes; it certainly starts to download, though I've not wasted bandwidth letting it grab the whole programme. The entry exists in my tv.cache file too. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: unable to get specific pid
On 25/02/2015 18:21, Colin Law wrote: On 25 February 2015 at 17:44, John Adams servicesuk-...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Sorry folks, I've replied to you all, but my postings have stopped appearing on the list :/ Possibly you were just replying with Reply rather than Reply All or Reply List Colin ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer Well, that is true, but my posting you've replied to was a Reply post !!! ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: unable to get specific pid
On 25 February 2015 at 18:32, John Adams servicesuk-anon...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 25/02/2015 18:21, Colin Law wrote: On 25 February 2015 at 17:44, John Adams servicesuk-...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Sorry folks, I've replied to you all, but my postings have stopped appearing on the list :/ Possibly you were just replying with Reply rather than Reply All or Reply List Colin ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer Well, that is true, but my posting you've replied to was such a Reply post - as is this one !!! One of the earlier ones came just to me, not the list. Colin ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
RE: Anger over BBC radio streaming changes
On 2015-02-23 13:45, C E Macfarlane wrote: The BBC should never have adopted any proprietary format in the first place. Back when they first started streaming stuff online, the only available products were proprietary. [snip] When you're in the position of a major official government organisation as well as a public corporation set up by Royal Charter, such as is the BBC, if you can't do something properly with the tools around at the time, you don't do it at all. You don't waste millions or billions of public money which pays for your very existence on something you can't support indefinitely into the future. You don't encourage manufacturers to make, and the public, whose 'taxes' are paying your wages, to buy, kit in the belief that, if it's supported by the BBC, it must be safe to spend money on it, and then pull the plug on that kit not long after. This train of thought doesn't address a key issue: the BBC had full control over development of the PAL broadcast standard, and was able to develop and refine it prior to using it commercially. New Media (i.e., internetty stuff) is the Wild West again, whoever has the most market inertia becomes the de facto leader and you have multiple concurrent 'standards' all of which can be superceded or made obsolete by the Next Big Thing. The Beeb works hard to keep stuff supported - I agree the public announcements, and discussions with developers, probably could have been coordinated better, but all these Internet radios which no longer work are not due to the BBC not coding firmware updates for them, that responsibility falls to that of the manufacturer to provide functionality according to the agreed specification for the format. If they built their equipment to a price point or functional level which didn't accommodate for Unknown Future Developments, that's their fault. I can almost hear all the people who bought first generation black white TV sets complaining that the BBC made their unit obsolete by beginning to broadcast in colour (but again, because the BBC essentially had complete control over the standard and the entire broadcast chain, they were able to guarantee a level of backwards compatibility so they wouldn't alienate early adopters). They're still trying to avoid alienating early adopters, but we all have to accept that sadly in this day and age we're ALL early adopters. If you plotted pace of technical innovation in fields of digital codecs, streaming technology, high speed bandwidth, processing power, the capabilities of integrated devices like Smart TVs, you would see a curve which is rising almost exponentially. Contrast that with the heady days of PAL 625 line, where it was basically a plateau for fifty years (save for some very clever innovation that built on the standard in terms of NICAM audio, stereo sound, use of blanking fields for subtitles etc). Smart phones and tablets are driving take-up in newer formats and they are just so much more capable of handling and working with more computationally complex (and efficient) codecs delivered over more cost-effective networks. And to clarify: the BBC provides a facility to access its systems to *third party developers*, who then code their apps. Whilst there's significant development expertise internally at the BBC, it doesn't (couldn't! wouldn't want to!) code every single Internet Radio or Smart TV widget. If these third party devs are lazy (or the companies like Samsung, LG etc. don't wish to continue paying for development as technology changes) those apps rot until they don't work any more. Manufacturers also spec devices with underpowered chips - my mum's Samsung Smart TV is testament to this, only the iPlayer app plays smoothly, the itv Player drops frames and skips like there's no tomorrow. If these ARM processors can only barely provide the interactive experience needed for the interface and basic H.264 / MPEG hardware video decoding on a bare-bones Linux (or VxWorks!) environment, there's never going to be enough spare processing power to permit for new developments like HLS, HDS or DASH (which WILL be adopted by every broadcaster in due course, almost undoubtedly). Seems appropriate at this point to hark back to the DVB-T spec, the development of which the BBC also has a big hand in, and remains rock solid and stable. DVB-T2 was initially developed by BBC RD and now sees widescale, painfree adoption by industry. The BBC works immensely hard to maintain support for the widest range of devices as is feasible - they only just stopped support for the Wii player two weeks ago! They were already supporting 650 devices in 2012, that's undoubtedly increased a huge amount since. There's a list of BBC iPlayer Certified devices on the iPlayer site: http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/information/ Some manufacturers seemingly do a single version of the 'iPlayer app' for a
Re: unable to get specific pid
How Curious, it might have been shown last Sunday, but it doesn't appear in the get-iplayer PVR listing yet. I've searched for it under all sensible names. Digging deeper it is the only episode to appear in the PVR Podcast listings, all the rest appear in BBC TV PVR listings. I'll let you know if it appears tomorrow. A. On 25/02/15 17:41, John Adams wrote: This is Episode 9 of The Great War which hasn't been shown on TV yet - it's being broadcast tomorrow afternoon. A. -- It was shown last Sunday. Indeed now, thanks to TellyAddict, I have downloaded it. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: unable to get specific pid
On 25 February 2015 at 17:44, John Adams servicesuk-...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Sorry folks, I've replied to you all, but my postings have stopped appearing on the list :/ Possibly you were just replying with Reply rather than Reply All or Reply List Colin ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
RE: Casualty anyone?
When I ran this on my Win 7 machine at the start of the download I saw the message: INFO: Using 'open' version as default On an XP machine (with 2.91 again), the message was: INFO: Using 'editorial' version as default Can someone explain the difference between 'open' and 'editorial' versions? AFAIK the Editorial tag can be applied to describe whether a programme is premiere, last chance to see, exclusive to iPlayer and so on - was that the case for that episode? No it was the episode that was broadcast on Saturday and normally available for 30 days. Nothing special about it as far as I can tell. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
RE: Anger over BBC radio streaming changes
See below ... This train of thought doesn't address a key issue: the BBC had full control over development of the PAL broadcast standard, and was able to develop and refine it prior to using it commercially. New Media (i.e., internetty stuff) is the Wild West again, whoever has the most market inertia becomes the de facto leader and you have multiple concurrent 'standards' all of which can be superceded or made obsolete by the Next Big Thing. Which is EXACTLY why the BBC had no business getting involved in the first place. By creating a false sense of de facto standards, simply through they themselves adopting them, they painted themselves into a corner where the situation that has arisen - that they can no longer support what they have adopted - was bound to happen. [Big, big snips follow because most of your reply missed that fundamental point ...] ... all these Internet radios which no longer work are not due to the BBC not coding firmware updates for them, that responsibility falls to that of the manufacturer to provide functionality according to the agreed specification for the format. The problem is that the agreed specification for the format today is not the same agreed specification for the format as it was yesterday, because the BBC are for ever changing it. No manufacturer on earth, however big, can possibly hope to keep up with the incessant changes introduced by the BBC into the comparatively small, by world-wide standards, UK market, and it is absurdly naive, self-centred, and arrogant of the BBC to expect that anyone should do so, just because they may wish it so. The BBC are the tail, they should not expect to wag the dog. The onus is on them to spend our money wisely by adopting well-tested, well-established, stable technologies and then STICKing with them. They should not be p*ssing into the wind making the endless changes that they have, such as the wide selection from only the last year or so that was outlined in the extract in my last post. And to clarify: the BBC provides a facility to access its systems to *third party developers*, who then code their apps. But then within a year or less, they change things so radically that those developers soon realise that they have merely wasted their time, and withdraw support. Manufacturers also spec devices with underpowered chips [...] DVB-T2 was initially developed by BBC RD and now sees widescale, painfree adoption by industry. [Snipped as irrelevant to this thread] The BBC works immensely hard to maintain support for the widest range of devices as is feasible - they only just stopped support for the Wii player two weeks ago! Oh! So that's ANOTHER broken device then ... There's a list of BBC iPlayer Certified devices on the iPlayer site: http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/information/ sarcasmYes, how helpful of you to provide again the link I provided in the extract in my previous post, for all the world as though you had discovered it yourself, and was providing it to the rest of us out of the kindness of your heart!/sarcasm. However, the point I made was that very few of those TVs currently supported go back the even the 6.4 years I calculated as being the lifetime of a TV in 2010, let alone the 8 years that I have read as being the normal lifetime now, and, even worse, hardly any non-TV devices such as Blu-Ray or DVD players, even comparatively recent ones, are supported at all. Some manufacturers seemingly do a single version of the 'iPlayer app' for a particular model of TV then never update it even when updates are required. Understandably so, because iPlayer changes too often for it to be worth anyone's time trying to track the endlessly shifting goalposts. No, they're complaining at the almost incessant changes in these services that render kit obsolete before it has reached its natural end-of-life. Whilst I am against it, it's undeniable that electronics companies have pushed for shorter lifespans. My colleague has just this minute told me a story about how his Freeview set top box (with iPlayer!) displayed a message recently warning him that functionality would stop. Lo and behold, it did, on the day it said - because of the move to HLS delivery for iPlayer TV. Another model to add to the broken-by-the-BBC list then ... the scrap heap grows almost daily ... It's economics While economics plays some part, this discussion is about, and the outstanding feature of it is, the number of devices that have stopped working not because their hardware has failed, but because of arbitrary changes made by the BBC. None of the devices discussed in this thread or the approximately 1 million estimated devices outlined in the extract quoted in my previous post stopped
Re: Anger over BBC radio streaming changes
Guys can we please stop this pissing in the wind contest. Nothing anyone says on here is going to change anything the BBC does. If you need to vent then please vent elsewhere and stop clogging my inbox. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
RE: Anger over BBC radio streaming changes
I'm inclined to agree that nothing said here will change what the BBC oes - nothing I've written directly to them seems to have had the slightest effect either - but the BBC staff and/or BBC apologists posting here seem determined to justify the unjustifiable, and I'm not going to let it pass. If they want to stop getting mauled, they have only to stop replying. www.macfh.co.uk/CEMH.html UK Residents: If you feel can possibly support it please sign the following ePetition before closing time of 30/03/2015 23:59:- http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/71556 ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: Anger over BBC radio streaming changes
Steven is right, take the fight elsewhere this is not the place for it. On 25 February 2015 at 17:07, C E Macfarlane c.e.macfarl...@macfh.co.uk wrote: I'm inclined to agree that nothing said here will change what the BBC oes - nothing I've written directly to them seems to have had the slightest effect either - but the BBC staff and/or BBC apologists posting here seem determined to justify the unjustifiable, and I'm not going to let it pass. If they want to stop getting mauled, they have only to stop replying. www.macfh.co.uk/CEMH.html UK Residents: If you feel can possibly support it please sign the following ePetition before closing time of 30/03/2015 23:59:- http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/71556 ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
