Re: BBC iPlayer introduces Live Restart capability

2012-06-30 Thread aje...@errichel.co.uk

On 20/06/12 16:41, dinkypumpkin wrote:

On 20/06/2012 13:51, Shevek wrote:

Is this going to kill of get_iplayer?

http://connecteddigitalworld.com/2012/06/19/bbc-iplayer-introduces-live-restart-capability/



Not necessarily, though it broke live tv streaming in get_iplayer.
get_iplayer is as much to blame as the Beeb, though.  All that
regex-based XML parsing in get_iplayer is a bit fragile, but it would
be a non-trivial chore to replace it.

I've patched get_iplayer to restore live tv for now.  That's a bit of
a drag so soon after a release, but then I wouldn't say live tv
streaming is really get_iplayer's USP.  Still, commiserations to all
package maintainers.


Or is it only for live TV?

Will they switch from RTMP to chunked streaming for non live?


I would guess they made this move for live tv on the iPlayer site as
part of preparations for the hammering they're going to get during the
Olympics.  There probably isn't much of an immediate incentive to do
it for non-live content.  The BBC blog post offers no clue if existing
RTMP streams (live and non-live) are going to disappear at any point.
If they do, there may be other options for downloading, though it
would certainly require major changes in get_iplayer. We'll all have
to keep an eye on this.  Thanks for flagging it up.

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Hi, Isn't this the same problem that I ran into with some ITV programmes 
recently with get_flash_videos.   Couldn't download them becasue they 
were sent in HTTP chunks and rtmpdump objected.  I assumed this is 
linked to flash encryption also announced recently.   Is there a 
solution yet?

Alastair


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BBC iPlayer introduces Live Restart capability

2012-06-20 Thread Shevek
Is this going to kill of get_iplayer?

http://connecteddigitalworld.com/2012/06/19/bbc-iplayer-introduces-live-restart-capability/

Or is it only for live TV?

Will they switch from RTMP to chunked streaming for non live?

As we can keep all the video chunks as we distribute them, we can
offer them to be viewed again later, or even store them more
permanently.

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Re: BBC iPlayer introduces Live Restart capability

2012-06-20 Thread Christopher Woods (CM)
This is a very interesting topic, particularly as I've noted that the 
Beeb's been running a (non-advertised) 720p BBC HD stream using chunked 
H.264 for a while. Quality's pretty darned decent, I'd watch it if I 
didn't have a Sky+HD box.


I can't imagine they'd rip and replace their entire infrastructure for 
on-demand, particularly with all the embedded devices they support... If 
anything this means more complexity - chunked HTTP for PC and Mac with 
the latest versions of Flash, progressive streaming for everything else.


On 20/06/2012 13:51, Shevek wrote:

Is this going to kill of get_iplayer?

http://connecteddigitalworld.com/2012/06/19/bbc-iplayer-introduces-live-restart-capability/

Or is it only for live TV?

Will they switch from RTMP to chunked streaming for non live?

As we can keep all the video chunks as we distribute them, we can
offer them to be viewed again later, or even store them more
permanently.

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Re: BBC iPlayer introduces Live Restart capability

2012-06-20 Thread dinkypumpkin

On 20/06/2012 13:51, Shevek wrote:

Is this going to kill of get_iplayer?

http://connecteddigitalworld.com/2012/06/19/bbc-iplayer-introduces-live-restart-capability/


Not necessarily, though it broke live tv streaming in get_iplayer. 
get_iplayer is as much to blame as the Beeb, though.  All that 
regex-based XML parsing in get_iplayer is a bit fragile, but it would be 
a non-trivial chore to replace it.


I've patched get_iplayer to restore live tv for now.  That's a bit of a 
drag so soon after a release, but then I wouldn't say live tv streaming 
is really get_iplayer's USP.  Still, commiserations to all package 
maintainers.



Or is it only for live TV?

Will they switch from RTMP to chunked streaming for non live?


I would guess they made this move for live tv on the iPlayer site as 
part of preparations for the hammering they're going to get during the 
Olympics.  There probably isn't much of an immediate incentive to do it 
for non-live content.  The BBC blog post offers no clue if existing RTMP 
streams (live and non-live) are going to disappear at any point.  If 
they do, there may be other options for downloading, though it would 
certainly require major changes in get_iplayer. We'll all have to keep 
an eye on this.  Thanks for flagging it up.


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