RE: BBC Ceases To Use MP3...
On 2015-02-10 20:56, C E Macfarlane wrote: I'm listening to my get_iplayer download of this right now, and, although it's not as bad as many, probably most, of the January episodes were, there were several little pops in Cathy-Ann MacPhee's unaccompanied rendering of Fath Mo Mhulad from about 6 mins in and since ... http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b050rjwr I've been listening to the new Radio 3 streams this evening, and there's MANY audible glitches on them. Think it's time to do some more investigation... C ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: BBC Ceases To Use MP3...
Vangelis forthnet northmed...@the.forthnet.gr writes: On Mon Feb 9 22:24:53 GMT 2015, Christopher Woods wrote: I use (used!) the AAC Shoutcast streams and it'll be a loss to me as they're also being canned. But it's like arguing with the wind to expect a Shoutcast CDN to be kept running just so me and half a dozen others can listen to unicast AAC... ;) Hello Christopher :-) I am one of the 6 (LOL!) others that have been enjoying the Shoutcast AAC live streams over the course of the last 3 years! Delivered over HTTP, they were a rock-steady alternative to the iffy RTMP ones, delivered via the Flash plugin in iPlayerRadio... I had bookmarked the direct stream URLs in Winamp, laptop connected to Hi-Fi Amp and I could easily listen to National Radios in very good quality... Recording the icy (aac) streams with VLC was a plus, too! Previously, I had experimented with the RTMP streams and get_iplayer (both for streaming to VLC and downloading), but in practice this was quite unreliable... :-( I do not lament the demise of the WMA live streams; the overseas version was just 48kbps, which sounded considerably worse than AAC-LC@56kbps or even HE-AACv2@48kbps ! (It has to be said though that the [UK] version of wma@128kbps - quite difficult to access from overseas - was comparable (better?) to the shoutcast aaclc@128kbps one!). Recording and editing those WMA streams was a hassle too! I've just uploaded a script called radiostreams onto my blog site, and this has the usual BBC radio feeds into a format which can be played in mpd. In fact, I'm listening to Radio Kent from that script atm. It uses feeds from radiofeeds.co.uk, so they may last longer than the BBC open feeds, I hope! :) Most kind regards, Vangelis. Sharon. -- A taste of linux = http://www.sharons.org.uk my git repo = https://bitbucket.org/boudiccas/dots TGmeds = http://www.tgmeds.org.uk Debian testing, fluxbox 1.3.6, emacs 24.4.1.0 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: BBC Ceases To Use MP3...
Also see: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/11/bbc_bins_windows_media_for_radio_s treams_from_new_audio_factory/ or http://tinyurl.com/kdwg2s7 for a short link. Regards John ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
RE: BBC Ceases To Use MP3...
Yes this switch over occurred a few weeks back for Nations programming. I've no objection per se, but unfortunately the switch over has been accompanied by a huge increase in burbling and even breaks in the recorded sound. Whether that's because m4a encoding takes more system resources and the system can't keep pace, or some other fault, I don't know enough to tell. All that I (burble) really know is (burble) that (break) Radio Nan Gaidheal (burble) keeps destroying (break) the music with incessant (burble) glitches, and it's (burble) driving me mad. -Original Message- From: get_iplayer [mailto:get_iplayer-boun...@lists.infradead.org]On Behalf Of CJB Sent: 09 February 2015 14:55 To: get_iplayer-request Subject: BBC Ceases To Use MP3... ... well - at least for the Radio Lancashire folk prog. 'The Drift.' This used to download in MP3 format along with hundreds of #'s. Now it appears to be in M4A - the Beeb's usual format for audios. Just an observation. CJB. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
RE: BBC Ceases To Use MP3...
I'm listening to my get_iplayer download of this right now, and, although it's not as bad as many, probably most, of the January episodes were, there were several little pops in Cathy-Ann MacPhee's unaccompanied rendering of Fath Mo Mhulad from about 6 mins in and since ... http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b050rjwr www.macfh.co.uk/CEMH.html UK Residents: If you feel can possibly support it please sign the following ePetition before closing time of 30/03/2015 23:59:- http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/71556 -Original Message- From: get_iplayer [mailto:get_iplayer-boun...@lists.infradead.org]On Behalf Of Christopher Woods Sent: 10 February 2015 20:03 To: get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org Subject: RE: BBC Ceases To Use MP3... If you can point me to some examples, that'd be useful. Chris On 2015-02-10 17:32, C E Macfarlane wrote: Yes this switch over occurred a few weeks back for Nations programming. I've no objection per se, but unfortunately the switch over has been accompanied by a huge increase in burbling and even breaks in the recorded sound. Whether that's because m4a encoding takes more system resources and the system can't keep pace, or some other fault, I don't know enough to tell. All that I (burble) really know is (burble) that (break) Radio Nan Gaidheal (burble) keeps destroying (break) the music with incessant (burble) glitches, and it's (burble) driving me mad. -Original Message- From: get_iplayer [mailto:get_iplayer-boun...@lists.infradead.org]On Behalf Of CJB Sent: 09 February 2015 14:55 To: get_iplayer-request Subject: BBC Ceases To Use MP3... ... well - at least for the Radio Lancashire folk prog. 'The Drift.' This used to download in MP3 format along with hundreds of #'s. Now it appears to be in M4A - the Beeb's usual format for audios. Just an observation. CJB. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer -- CustomMade ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
RE: BBC Ceases To Use MP3...
If you can point me to some examples, that'd be useful. Chris On 2015-02-10 17:32, C E Macfarlane wrote: Yes this switch over occurred a few weeks back for Nations programming. I've no objection per se, but unfortunately the switch over has been accompanied by a huge increase in burbling and even breaks in the recorded sound. Whether that's because m4a encoding takes more system resources and the system can't keep pace, or some other fault, I don't know enough to tell. All that I (burble) really know is (burble) that (break) Radio Nan Gaidheal (burble) keeps destroying (break) the music with incessant (burble) glitches, and it's (burble) driving me mad. -Original Message- From: get_iplayer [mailto:get_iplayer-boun...@lists.infradead.org]On Behalf Of CJB Sent: 09 February 2015 14:55 To: get_iplayer-request Subject: BBC Ceases To Use MP3... ... well - at least for the Radio Lancashire folk prog. 'The Drift.' This used to download in MP3 format along with hundreds of #'s. Now it appears to be in M4A - the Beeb's usual format for audios. Just an observation. CJB. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer -- CustomMade ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
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On Tue Feb 10 03:42:48 GMT 2015, I wrote: There is one notable exception to this at the time of writing: BBC Radio 3! http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/select/mediaset/http-icy-aac-lc-a/vpid/bbc_radio_three/ http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/select/mediaset/http-icy-aac-lc-b/vpid/bbc_radio_three/ http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/select/mediaset/http-icy-he-aacv2-a/vpid/bbc_radio_three/ all produce still working AAC streams Sadly, tonight even those are now DEAD! V. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
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On 9 February 2015 at 14:55, CJB chrisjbr...@gmail.com wrote: ... well - at least for the Radio Lancashire folk prog. 'The Drift.' This used to download in MP3 format along with hundreds of #'s. Now it appears to be in M4A - the Beeb's usual format for audios. Just an observation. CJB. I add the following flags to get it back to MP3 (and in a format where iTunes recognizes it as a podcast and doesn't screw with it)... --tag-podcast-radio --aactomp3 Steve ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
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On Mon Feb 9 22:24:53 GMT 2015, Christopher Woods wrote: I use (used!) the AAC Shoutcast streams and it'll be a loss to me as they're also being canned. But it's like arguing with the wind to expect a Shoutcast CDN to be kept running just so me and half a dozen others can listen to unicast AAC... ;) Hello Christopher :-) I am one of the 6 (LOL!) others that have been enjoying the Shoutcast AAC live streams over the course of the last 3 years! Delivered over HTTP, they were a rock-steady alternative to the iffy RTMP ones, delivered via the Flash plugin in iPlayerRadio... I had bookmarked the direct stream URLs in Winamp, laptop connected to Hi-Fi Amp and I could easily listen to National Radios in very good quality... Recording the icy (aac) streams with VLC was a plus, too! Previously, I had experimented with the RTMP streams and get_iplayer (both for streaming to VLC and downloading), but in practice this was quite unreliable... :-( I do not lament the demise of the WMA live streams; the overseas version was just 48kbps, which sounded considerably worse than AAC-LC@56kbps or even HE-AACv2@48kbps ! (It has to be said though that the [UK] version of wma@128kbps - quite difficult to access from overseas - was comparable (better?) to the shoutcast aaclc@128kbps one!). Recording and editing those WMA streams was a hassle too! While the mediaselector/5 API continues to produce icy stream data for all available AAC mediasets (http-icy-aac-lc-a, http-icy-aac-lc-b, http-icy-he-aacv2-a), e.g. http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/select/mediaset/http-icy-aac-lc-a/vpid/bbc_radio_two/ http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/select/mediaset/http-icy-aac-lc-b/vpid/bbc_radio_two/ http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/select/mediaset/http-icy-he-aacv2-a/vpid/bbc_radio_two/ when those stream data (href=) are fed to Winamp, it prints: [HTTP/1.0 404 File Not Found] There is one notable exception to this at the time of writing: BBC Radio 3! http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/select/mediaset/http-icy-aac-lc-a/vpid/bbc_radio_three/ http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/select/mediaset/http-icy-aac-lc-b/vpid/bbc_radio_three/ http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/select/mediaset/http-icy-he-aacv2-a/vpid/bbc_radio_three/ all produce still working AAC streams (mediaset=http-icy-aac-lc-b is UK-only). We are retiring our SHOUTcast streams that use the AAC codec. The AAC SHOUTcast streams were only available for the national networks. While I was well aware of the foretold death of the WMA (live+AOD) streams, this came in as a true surprise and caused me grief... We have retained a single SHOUTcast stream of each service using the mp3 codec For anyone interested, this can be accessed by using mediaset=http-icy-mp3-a; a template URL would be: http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/select/mediaset/http-icy-mp3-a/vpid/[vpid]/format/pls.pls For National Radios, [vpid]= any of: bbc_radio_one bbc_radio_two bbc_radio_three bbc_radio_fourfm bbc_radio_four_extra bbc_radio_five_live bbc_radio_five_live_sports_extra bbc_6music bbc_asian_network bbc_world_service These MP3 streams are all @128kbpsCBR/44.1KHz (even for Radio 3), except for World Service, which is a measly 48kbps! All our services are now available in HLS and HDS, using the AAC codec. By the summer we hope to have these streams available in the non-proprietary DASH format. (snip) we are concentrating our efforts around HLS, HDS and DASH. 1. Recording HLS streams is feasible via FFmpeg. 2. HDS (capture) support in FFmpeg is still in its infancy: http://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/1964 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.video.ffmpeg.devel/171211 http://lists.ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2014-February/154612.html https://www.mail-archive.com/ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org/msg03387.html https://gitorious.org/neutrino-hd/martiis-buildsystem-cs/commit/421cdc974a89838c521e217e244183cbcd4d95ef The nightly VLC 3.0.0 has also some HDS recording capabilities... But I find that AdobeHDS.php script (by KSV) is working wonders with the Beeb's HDS streams! 3. Does anyone know of a way to capture MPEG-DASH live streams? By the summer, though vague, is not too far in the future! Most kind regards, Vangelis. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
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This is likely because they're now on Audio Factory. As of right now, 22 of the 40 LR stations are now on AF with the rest due to be migrated by Wednesday. This will bring advantages in terms of a reduction in network complexity (seriously, it's a headache-inducing patchwork of different services and providers -- plus the audio quality of the old circuits is hugely variable and often quite ropey), and it'll bring a cost saving. However, this means everything is moving to HLS/HDS (eventually also DASH) with no more WMA (or MP3). That I'm not so sad about. AAC has completely supplanted MP3 and I can't think of many (if any) devices that don't support it in hardware or via software update. That said, there will remain a Shoutcast MP3 stream of Network stations for legacy internet radio devices - which won't be around for ever. I use (used!) the AAC Shoutcast streams and it'll be a loss to me as they're also being canned. But it's like arguing with the wind to expect a Shoutcast CDN to be kept running just so me and half a dozen others can listen to unicast AAC... ;) More info published today from the manager of Audio Factory: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/entries/977a1954-658f-4fb2-a23c-71680c49882f On 9 February 2015 15:04:47 Steven Carr sjc...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 February 2015 at 14:55, CJB chrisjbr...@gmail.com wrote: ... well - at least for the Radio Lancashire folk prog. 'The Drift.' This used to download in MP3 format along with hundreds of #'s. Now it appears to be in M4A - the Beeb's usual format for audios. Just an observation. CJB. I add the following flags to get it back to MP3 (and in a format where iTunes recognizes it as a podcast and doesn't screw with it)... --tag-podcast-radio --aactomp3 Steve ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
