RE: get_iplayer 3.35.0-MSWin32-x64 Web PVR not refreshing cache automatically
George I think you are correct that the web PVR is just a front end for the CLI pvr running in the background. It doesn't rely on Chrome or windows to actually do anything. I don't think you are correct regarding 4hr Cache refresh when using the web PVR (although I can't explain this inconsistency - see below) The Cache used to refresh every 4 hours using the web PVR without the refresh cache page being open. I have used the GiP web PVR for approx. 8 years and on one occasion whilst on holidays for 5 weeks I returned home to see that GiP had recorded everything in my PVR list over the previous 5 weeks and stuff broadcast within the previous 12 hours - so clearly still working. Now if I leave the refresh cache page open it all works without human intervention. Can I explain the change in behaviour - no I can't, but I am just happy that it works as intended if in a slightly different manner. Jon -Original Message- From: get_iplayer On Behalf Of geo...@eycott.co.uk Sent: 15 February 2024 00:27 To: jon92...@gmail.com; 'Tom Guest' ; get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org Subject: RE: get_iplayer 3.35.0-MSWin32-x64 Web PVR not refreshing cache automatically This has become such a long complex layout of an email I have binned it and started again! I think there are two issues getting confused here, refreshing the web page on the web PVR (which is a browser issue) and refreshing the cache which is a different thing. I am not aware that the web PVR has ever refreshed the cache, it is just a web front end for get_iplayer and its CLI pvr. I have the CLI pvr running in the background (get_iplayer_pvr.cmd), this does the 4hr refresh on the cache and automatically downloads any matching items from the pvr list then I can use the web pvr as a front end to edit the pvr list and pick nay individual programmes I want to download if they are not in the PVR list. The web PVR on its own only looks at the cache, it doesn't update it nor does it automatically download items in the PVR list. Cheers George ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
RE: get_iplayer 3.35.0-MSWin32-x64 Web PVR not refreshing cache automatically
Well, after a week of monitoring what is going on I am fairly confident that: Unlike previously the Web PVR doesn't refresh the programme cache in the background. It most definitely used to ! And unlike previously it no longer refreshes the cache when you restart the Web PVR. e.g. following a reboot of the PC in question. However it does seem to refresh the cache every 4 hours if you open the refresh cache window and leave it open. So I leave 3 tabs open rather than 2 - a small price to pay for the privilege. And they say computers would make our lives easier. Jon -Original Message- From: get_iplayer On Behalf Of geo...@eycott.co.uk Sent: 15 February 2024 00:27 To: jon92...@gmail.com; 'Tom Guest' ; get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org Subject: RE: get_iplayer 3.35.0-MSWin32-x64 Web PVR not refreshing cache automatically This has become such a long complex layout of an email I have binned it and started again! I think there are two issues getting confused here, refreshing the web page on the web PVR (which is a browser issue) and refreshing the cache which is a different thing. I am not aware that the web PVR has ever refreshed the cache, it is just a web front end for get_iplayer and its CLI pvr. I have the CLI pvr running in the background (get_iplayer_pvr.cmd), this does the 4hr refresh on the cache and automatically downloads any matching items from the pvr list then I can use the web pvr as a front end to edit the pvr list and pick nay individual programmes I want to download if they are not in the PVR list. The web PVR on its own only looks at the cache, it doesn't update it nor does it automatically download items in the PVR list. Cheers George ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
RE: get_iplayer 3.35.0-MSWin32-x64 Web PVR not refreshing cache automatically
This has become such a long complex layout of an email I have binned it and started again! I think there are two issues getting confused here, refreshing the web page on the web PVR (which is a browser issue) and refreshing the cache which is a different thing. I am not aware that the web PVR has ever refreshed the cache, it is just a web front end for get_iplayer and its CLI pvr. I have the CLI pvr running in the background (get_iplayer_pvr.cmd), this does the 4hr refresh on the cache and automatically downloads any matching items from the pvr list then I can use the web pvr as a front end to edit the pvr list and pick nay individual programmes I want to download if they are not in the PVR list. The web PVR on its own only looks at the cache, it doesn't update it nor does it automatically download items in the PVR list. Cheers George ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
RE: get_iplayer 3.35.0-MSWin32-x64 Web PVR not refreshing cache automatically
-Original Message- From: jon92...@gmail.com Sent: 09 February 2024 10:05 To: 'Tom Guest' ; 'get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org' Subject: RE: get_iplayer 3.35.0-MSWin32-x64 Web PVR not refreshing cache automatically -Original Message- From: get_iplayer On Behalf Of Tom Guest Sent: 09 February 2024 06:32 To: get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org Subject: Re: get_iplayer 3.35.0-MSWin32-x64 Web PVR not refreshing cache automatically -- Original Message -- >From jon92...@gmail.com To get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org Date 28/01/2024 02:50:46 Subject get_iplayer 3.35.0-MSWin32-x64 Web PVR not refreshing cache automatically >I think this started in version 3.34.0. It seems the web PVR is not >automatically refreshing the cache as it is supposed to, by default >every 4 hours. > >I have Auto-Refresh Cache Interval and Auto-Run PVR Interval both set >to 4 hours. My installation is essentially exactly as the default >install apart from specifying different download folders for radio and tv. > >Jon - puzzled. > > > > > >___ >get_iplayer mailing list >get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org >http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer I have also been experiencing issues with this in the web PVR on Windows 10 Pro with version 3.34.0. I've not yet gone to 3.35.0, but found that there were issues with "hibernating tabs" in Vivaldi, my default browser. For both the Cache and PVR Run tabs I went to the following address: vivaldi://discards and toggled the entry in the Auto Discardable column for them to disable this status. Since doing so all is working well again. I'm not sure if I will need to do this each time I start the Web PVR e.g. after a machine restart. I think this applies to most Chrome-based browsers as the original page I foumd mentioned was chrome://discards, Vivaldi changed the reference. The hibernation seems to stop the reload specified in the web page on initial load, 1 hour, 4 hours or whatever is selected in the Settings section of the Search PVR page initially displayed when the Web PVR is started. Apologies if the formatting of this message is not quite right as have been a read only user of the mailing list until now. Tom Guest / Mr Jest Tom, I think you may have the answer. However changing the autodiscard option to off for the Web PVR and PVR Run pages in Chrome doesn't survive a restart of Chrome. The chrome extension https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/disable-automatic-tab-dis/dnhngfnf olbmhgealdpolmhimnoliiok seems to disable the autodiscard functions completely and permanently. I'll let you know how well it works. Jon Well the Chrome extension I used successfully changes the autodiscard function to permanently off so tabs do not hibernate, at least as reported by Chrome. However the autorefresh cache function is still not working so am wondering if it is a get_iplayer issue. I had to leave it a few days to ensure that I wasn't expecting the autorefresh to result in a new download when there wasn't anything new listed in my PVR list. Jon ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
RE: get_iplayer 3.35.0-MSWin32-x64 Web PVR not refreshing cache automatically
-Original Message- From: get_iplayer On Behalf Of Tom Guest Sent: 09 February 2024 06:32 To: get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org Subject: Re: get_iplayer 3.35.0-MSWin32-x64 Web PVR not refreshing cache automatically -- Original Message -- >From jon92...@gmail.com To get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org Date 28/01/2024 02:50:46 Subject get_iplayer 3.35.0-MSWin32-x64 Web PVR not refreshing cache automatically >I think this started in version 3.34.0. It seems the web PVR is not >automatically refreshing the cache as it is supposed to, by default >every 4 hours. > >I have Auto-Refresh Cache Interval and Auto-Run PVR Interval both set >to 4 hours. My installation is essentially exactly as the default >install apart from specifying different download folders for radio and tv. > >Jon - puzzled. > > > > > >___ >get_iplayer mailing list >get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org >http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer I have also been experiencing issues with this in the web PVR on Windows 10 Pro with version 3.34.0. I've not yet gone to 3.35.0, but found that there were issues with "hibernating tabs" in Vivaldi, my default browser. For both the Cache and PVR Run tabs I went to the following address: vivaldi://discards and toggled the entry in the Auto Discardable column for them to disable this status. Since doing so all is working well again. I'm not sure if I will need to do this each time I start the Web PVR e.g. after a machine restart. I think this applies to most Chrome-based browsers as the original page I foumd mentioned was chrome://discards, Vivaldi changed the reference. The hibernation seems to stop the reload specified in the web page on initial load, 1 hour, 4 hours or whatever is selected in the Settings section of the Search PVR page initially displayed when the Web PVR is started. Apologies if the formatting of this message is not quite right as have been a read only user of the mailing list until now. Tom Guest / Mr Jest Tom, I think you may have the answer. However changing the autodiscard option to off for the Web PVR and PVR Run pages in Chrome doesn't survive a restart of Chrome. The chrome extension https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/disable-automatic-tab-dis/dnhngfnf olbmhgealdpolmhimnoliiok seems to disable the autodiscard functions completely and permanently. I'll let you know how well it works. Jon ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: get_iplayer 3.35.0-MSWin32-x64 Web PVR not refreshing cache automatically
-- Original Message -- From jon92...@gmail.com To get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org Date 28/01/2024 02:50:46 Subject get_iplayer 3.35.0-MSWin32-x64 Web PVR not refreshing cache automatically I think this started in version 3.34.0. It seems the web PVR is not automatically refreshing the cache as it is supposed to, by default every 4 hours. I have Auto-Refresh Cache Interval and Auto-Run PVR Interval both set to 4 hours. My installation is essentially exactly as the default install apart from specifying different download folders for radio and tv. Jon - puzzled. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer I have also been experiencing issues with this in the web PVR on Windows 10 Pro with version 3.34.0. I've not yet gone to 3.35.0, but found that there were issues with "hibernating tabs" in Vivaldi, my default browser. For both the Cache and PVR Run tabs I went to the following address: vivaldi://discards and toggled the entry in the Auto Discardable column for them to disable this status. Since doing so all is working well again. I'm not sure if I will need to do this each time I start the Web PVR e.g. after a machine restart. I think this applies to most Chrome-based browsers as the original page I foumd mentioned was chrome://discards, Vivaldi changed the reference. The hibernation seems to stop the reload specified in the web page on initial load, 1 hour, 4 hours or whatever is selected in the Settings section of the Search PVR page initially displayed when the Web PVR is started. Apologies if the formatting of this message is not quite right as have been a read only user of the mailing list until now. Tom Guest / Mr Jest ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: get_iplayer 3.35.0-MSWin32-x64 Web PVR not refreshing cache automatically
On 08/02/2024 07:45, jon92...@gmail.com wrote: -Original Message- From: get_iplayer On Behalf Of Jeremy Nicoll - ml gip Sent: 29 January 2024 03:39 To: ML - get_iplayer Subject: Re: get_iplayer 3.35.0-MSWin32-x64 Web PVR not refreshing cache automatically On 2024-01-28 02:50, jon92...@gmail.com wrote: I think this started in version 3.34.0. It seems the web PVR is not automatically refreshing the cache as it is supposed to, by default every 4 hours. I have Auto-Refresh Cache Interval and Auto-Run PVR Interval both set to 4 hours. My installation is essentially exactly as the default install apart from specifying different download folders for radio and tv. I've never used the PVR so don't know what normal looks like... Are you able to tell if any action tries to start every four hours - if not the trigger for that might be the problem, or does start but then fail to find things, or find them but fail to update the caches? I see you mentioned: Windows x64... Does the PVR use Windows' "task scheduler" to run the updater every 4 hours or its own mechanism? If it is the task scheduler you should be able to find the set-up for that in task scheduler & see when Windows last thought it ran it & whether it ran ok. You'll also see the command it runs & eg which userid it runs under. If something IS starting, does it create a log file when it runs? If it dosn't, can you change the parameters it uses so that it does create one? Maybe for example there's a file permissions problem? -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own Sorry for the delay getting back to you on this. Was overseas on business with no remote access to home PCs. The PVR doesn't seem to use the windows task scheduler to run the cache update (or run the PVR) Both seem to be triggered by the PVR Manager Service, which runs in a CLI box in the background. No logs are created. A brief review of the Previous instructions in the CLI does not mention Cache refresh but clearly shows repetition of the PVR recording function. As there is no log created I can't refer back to earlier CLI output to compare if there are any differences. The run PVR This works just as well as it has for the last 10 years (every 4 hours or so) but requires the cache to be refreshed so that new versions of programs that are in the PVR List are downloaded. Jon ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer I too don't know or use the PVR (or even Windows) but a pro tem workaround could be to schedule your own task to refresh the cache? Charles ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
RE: get_iplayer 3.35.0-MSWin32-x64 Web PVR not refreshing cache automatically
-Original Message- From: get_iplayer On Behalf Of Jeremy Nicoll - ml gip Sent: 29 January 2024 03:39 To: ML - get_iplayer Subject: Re: get_iplayer 3.35.0-MSWin32-x64 Web PVR not refreshing cache automatically On 2024-01-28 02:50, jon92...@gmail.com wrote: > I think this started in version 3.34.0. It seems the web PVR is not > automatically refreshing the cache as it is supposed to, by default > every 4 hours. > > I have Auto-Refresh Cache Interval and Auto-Run PVR Interval both set > to 4 hours. My installation is essentially exactly as the default > install apart from specifying different download folders for radio and > tv. I've never used the PVR so don't know what normal looks like... Are you able to tell if any action tries to start every four hours - if not the trigger for that might be the problem, or does start but then fail to find things, or find them but fail to update the caches? I see you mentioned: Windows x64... Does the PVR use Windows' "task scheduler" to run the updater every 4 hours or its own mechanism? If it is the task scheduler you should be able to find the set-up for that in task scheduler & see when Windows last thought it ran it & whether it ran ok. You'll also see the command it runs & eg which userid it runs under. If something IS starting, does it create a log file when it runs? If it dosn't, can you change the parameters it uses so that it does create one? Maybe for example there's a file permissions problem? -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own Sorry for the delay getting back to you on this. Was overseas on business with no remote access to home PCs. The PVR doesn't seem to use the windows task scheduler to run the cache update (or run the PVR) Both seem to be triggered by the PVR Manager Service, which runs in a CLI box in the background. No logs are created. A brief review of the Previous instructions in the CLI does not mention Cache refresh but clearly shows repetition of the PVR recording function. As there is no log created I can't refer back to earlier CLI output to compare if there are any differences. The run PVR This works just as well as it has for the last 10 years (every 4 hours or so) but requires the cache to be refreshed so that new versions of programs that are in the PVR List are downloaded. Jon ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: get_iplayer 3.35.0-MSWin32-x64 Web PVR not refreshing cache automatically
On 2024-01-28 02:50, jon92...@gmail.com wrote: I think this started in version 3.34.0. It seems the web PVR is not automatically refreshing the cache as it is supposed to, by default every 4 hours. I have Auto-Refresh Cache Interval and Auto-Run PVR Interval both set to 4 hours. My installation is essentially exactly as the default install apart from specifying different download folders for radio and tv. I've never used the PVR so don't know what normal looks like... Are you able to tell if any action tries to start every four hours - if not the trigger for that might be the problem, or does start but then fail to find things, or find them but fail to update the caches? I see you mentioned: Windows x64... Does the PVR use Windows' "task scheduler" to run the updater every 4 hours or its own mechanism? If it is the task scheduler you should be able to find the set-up for that in task scheduler & see when Windows last thought it ran it & whether it ran ok. You'll also see the command it runs & eg which userid it runs under. If something IS starting, does it create a log file when it runs? If it dosn't, can you change the parameters it uses so that it does create one? Maybe for example there's a file permissions problem? -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
get_iplayer 3.35.0-MSWin32-x64 Web PVR not refreshing cache automatically
I think this started in version 3.34.0. It seems the web PVR is not automatically refreshing the cache as it is supposed to, by default every 4 hours. I have Auto-Refresh Cache Interval and Auto-Run PVR Interval both set to 4 hours. My installation is essentially exactly as the default install apart from specifying different download folders for radio and tv. Jon - puzzled. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
