Re: v3.13 released

[RS]

On 28/03/18 12:04, iz wrote:


There is no "new algorithm", and you don't have to refresh more often
than you did before. If you can't live with a hole in your cache, just
rebuild it.

I have another machine which had not been refreshed in the last week. 
It has just been updated to v3.13 and refreshed but not re-built.  It 
has indexed episodes 2 and 3 of the Hithchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy 
and the Jack Dee/Jeremy Hardy episode of Chain Reaction, so you are right.


Although I have not seen it mentioned in the documentation, I did not 
need to re-install the PPA.  It was updated to v3.13 automatically by a 
software update.


Best wishes
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Re: v3.13 released

[John Reay]

I installed 3.13 from the Ubuntu PPA, replacing 3.12.

if I run get_iplayer from the command line it shows >get_iplayer
3.13-ppa31d, Copyright (C) 2008-2010 Phil Lewis

However the Web PVR screens still say 3.12. I think maybe it's just
the text that wasn't updated, but not 100% sure

On 27 March 2018 at 16:48, SquarePenguin  wrote:
> On Tue, 2018-03-27 at 21:42 +0100, Roger Bell_West wrote:
>> OK, that's not a "pure" 3.13, and maybe that's your problem.
>
> Unlikely. That's just the Ubuntu PPA which basically installs the exact same
> files as if you do it manually.
>
> I'm using it and see episodes 2 and 3 just fine. (I don't see 1 because I
> haven't refreshed my cache in a while).
>
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Re: v3.13 released

[iz]

On 28 March 2018 at 11:33, RS  wrote:
> That suggests that with the new algorithm it is going to be necessary to
> refresh more than once a week to maintain a complete cache.

There is no "new algorithm", and you don't have to refresh more often
than you did before. If you can't live with a hole in your cache, just
rebuild it.

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Re: v3.13 released

[RS]

On 28/03/18 11:03, iz wrote:
> Once get_iplayer updates the cache in any given week, it doesn't go
> back to the previous week. Ordinarily that would be unnecessary, but
> you can force it with the use of --refresh-limit or --cache-rebuild,
> as has already been suggested. It's likely that people did their first
> update this week with the old broken get_iplayer, and thus subsequent
> updates with the new get_iplayer didn't go back to last week.
>
You may be right, but both machines I have tried had the cache refreshed 
during the last calendar week.  The one I updated to v3.13 on Saturday 
evening has indexed the Jack Dee/Jeremy Hardy episode of Chain Reaction 
broadcast on Radio 4 Extra at 2330 on 23 March.  The one I updated last 
night has not.


That suggests that with the new algorithm it is going to be necessary to 
refresh more than once a week to maintain a complete cache.


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Re: v3.13 released

[iz]

Once get_iplayer updates the cache in any given week, it doesn't go
back to the previous week. Ordinarily that would be unnecessary, but
you can force it with the use of --refresh-limit or --cache-rebuild,
as has already been suggested. It's likely that people did their first
update this week with the old broken get_iplayer, and thus subsequent
updates with the new get_iplayer didn't go back to last week.

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Re: v3.13 released

[Nic Siddle]

Similar apparent problem with Chain Reaction. Not picking up latest in 
Series 3 ep 6 (Jack Dee and Jeremy Hardy). Running Windows 10 Home 64 
bit. Updated to get i-player 3.13. Current PVR search includes the 
following lines:-


_Chain_Reaction_name_radio

_Chain_Reaction_Series_11_name_radio

_Chain_Reaction_Series_3_name_radio

However, when I put the PID into the quick URL search, it finds and 
records OK.


I am non-tech and rarely understand the list messages - but would 
welcome any advice


Nic

On 28/03/2018 10:34, RS wrote:

On 27/03/18 23:36, I wrote:






A more likely explanation is that the searches were done at different 
times.  As I understand it, and I haven't checked the code, --refresh 
only goes back 7 days, and maybe it is now too old.  That doesn't 
quite work as an explanation because episode 3 was broadcast on Radio 
4 at 1830 on 22 March and won't be repeated on Radio 4 Extra until 29 
March. Maybe the 7 days has been shortened.  I have a vague 
recollection that the 7 days runs from the start of the week, and 
that would fit.




The way in which the cache is refreshed is explained here.
https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/wiki/cache

It says,
"get_iplayer does NOT index 30 days of programme listings every time 
the cache is updated - it indexes no further back than the beginning 
of the previous calendar week. This means that you must update your 
cache each calendar week for a month after installation in order to 
build up a full 30 days of programme data. From then on, the 30-day 
buffer should be maintained as long as you update the cache at least 
once per calendar week."


According to that description, a programme broadcast less than 6 days 
previously ought to have been indexed without the need to re-build the 
cache.  It may be that the new scraping algorithm works differently 
and the documentation needs to be updated.


Has anyone come across any other examples?

Best wishes
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Re: v3.13 released

[RS]

On 27/03/18 23:36, I wrote:






A more likely explanation is that the searches were done at different 
times.  As I understand it, and I haven't checked the code, --refresh 
only goes back 7 days, and maybe it is now too old.  That doesn't quite 
work as an explanation because episode 3 was broadcast on Radio 4 at 
1830 on 22 March and won't be repeated on Radio 4 Extra until 29 March. 
Maybe the 7 days has been shortened.  I have a vague recollection that 
the 7 days runs from the start of the week, and that would fit.




The way in which the cache is refreshed is explained here.
https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/wiki/cache

It says,
"get_iplayer does NOT index 30 days of programme listings every time the 
cache is updated - it indexes no further back than the beginning of the 
previous calendar week. This means that you must update your cache each 
calendar week for a month after installation in order to build up a full 
30 days of programme data. From then on, the 30-day buffer should be 
maintained as long as you update the cache at least once per calendar week."


According to that description, a programme broadcast less than 6 days 
previously ought to have been indexed without the need to re-build the 
cache.  It may be that the new scraping algorithm works differently and 
the documentation needs to be updated.


Has anyone come across any other examples?

Best wishes
Richard


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Re: v3.13 released

[RS]

On 27/03/18 22:38, I wrote:



On 27/03/18 22:03, I wrote:



On 27/03/18 21:42, Roger Bell_West wrote:

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 09:36:55PM +0100, Clive wrote:

get_iplayer 3.13-ppa31d, Copyright (C) 2008-2010 Phil Lewis


OK, that's not a "pure" 3.13, and maybe that's your problem. I'm
running directly off the github download. Anyone else using this PPA
version?



I too can see three episodes.  I didn't wait for the PPA (for ubuntu 
16.04.3). I took the new get_iplayer Perl file from the .zip archive 
and replaced it in /usr/bin/.  Curiously it is now showing

get_iplayer 3.13-ppa31d
which I don't think it did when I first started using the new version. 
Maybe the PPA has been updated in a software update.







The get_iplayer script now in /usr/bin/ is not the one I copied there.
my $version_text;
is now
my $version_text = '3.13-ppa31d';

I have just tried on another machine.  I refreshed the cache.
A search gave me two episodes.
I installed the PPA and refreshed the cache again.  I did not rebuild 
the cache, but nor did I after copying the get_iplayer script to 
/usr/bin/ on my main machine  I can still only see the first two episodes.


I have run diff to compare the get_iplayer in the .zip archive with the 
PPA version.

my $version_text = '3.13-ppa31d';
is the only difference reported.

A more likely explanation is that the searches were done at different 
times.  As I understand it, and I haven't checked the code, --refresh 
only goes back 7 days, and maybe it is now too old.  That doesn't quite 
work as an explanation because episode 3 was broadcast on Radio 4 at 
1830 on 22 March and won't be repeated on Radio 4 Extra until 29 March. 
Maybe the 7 days has been shortened.  I have a vague recollection that 
the 7 days runs from the start of the week, and that would fit.


Best wishes
Richard



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Re: v3.13 released

[RS]

On 27/03/18 22:03, I wrote:



On 27/03/18 21:42, Roger Bell_West wrote:

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 09:36:55PM +0100, Clive wrote:

get_iplayer 3.13-ppa31d, Copyright (C) 2008-2010 Phil Lewis


OK, that's not a "pure" 3.13, and maybe that's your problem. I'm
running directly off the github download. Anyone else using this PPA
version?



I too can see three episodes.  I didn't wait for the PPA (for ubuntu 
16.04.3). I took the new get_iplayer Perl file from the .zip archive and 
replaced it in /usr/bin/.  Curiously it is now showing

get_iplayer 3.13-ppa31d
which I don't think it did when I first started using the new version. 
Maybe the PPA has been updated in a software update.


Best wishes
Richard



The get_iplayer script now in /usr/bin/ is not the one I copied there.
my $version_text;
is now
my $version_text = '3.13-ppa31d';

I have just tried on another machine.  I refreshed the cache.
A search gave me two episodes.
I installed the PPA and refreshed the cache again.  I did not rebuild 
the cache, but nor did I after copying the get_iplayer script to 
/usr/bin/ on my main machine  I can still only see the first two episodes.


Best wishes
Richard


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Re: v3.13 released

[Colin Law]

On 27 March 2018 at 22:01, Clive  wrote:
> On 27/03/18 21:54, Graeme Thorn wrote:
>>
>> get_iplayer
>> --cache-rebuild --type="radio"
>
> That worked. Wow, never seen so many lines of dots on the terminal screen.
> Thank you, I now have three episodes of hitchhiker showing. Must do that for
> TV also.

cache-rebuild fixed it for me too (I was already using --type=radio).

Thanks

Colin

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Re: v3.13 released

[Clive]

On 27/03/18 22:01, SquarePenguin wrote:

On Tue, 2018-03-27 at 21:19 +0100, Clive wrote:

Episodes 1 & 2 are found by the term: get_iplayer hitch. I can get the
third episode from the pid. Can anyone offer any guidance please?

Unless my installation is broken too I'm surprised you can see anything with
`get_iplayer hitch`.

Those episodes are radio so I'd expect to have to use get_iplayer --type=radio
hitch` to see those episodes.

Perhaps a typo (or some other option preference saved), but nonetheless I'm also
surprised you get episodes 1 and 2 but not 3. Being the oldest episode I'd have
guessed at episode 1 not being available simply by dint of not updating the
cache over the last 30 days.

Try forcing a cache update `get_iplayer --type=all --refresh`

After the above, could you post the output of `get_iplayer --type=radio hitch` ?
I download much more radio than TV so I have radio set in the prefs 
file. I had done a forced --refresh previously (albeit only on radio) 
and noted that many programs were added to the list so thought nothing 
of it. As requested:


get_iplayer 3.13-ppa31d, Copyright (C) 2008-2010 Phil Lewis
  This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details use 
--warranty.
  This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under 
certain

  conditions; use --conditions for details.


Matches:
44741:    The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Hexagonal Phase - 
Episode 1, BBC Radio 4, b09th4hf
44742:    The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Hexagonal Phase - 
Episode 2, BBC Radio 4, b09v734q
44743:    The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Hexagonal Phase - 
Episode 3, BBC Radio 4, b09w16mn

INFO: 3 matching programmes

You'll see from an earlier response that the problem has now been 
resolved with a full rebuild of the cache.


Regards

Clive


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Re: v3.13 released

[RS]

On 27/03/18 21:42, Roger Bell_West wrote:

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 09:36:55PM +0100, Clive wrote:

get_iplayer 3.13-ppa31d, Copyright (C) 2008-2010 Phil Lewis


OK, that's not a "pure" 3.13, and maybe that's your problem. I'm
running directly off the github download. Anyone else using this PPA
version?



I too can see three episodes.  I didn't wait for the PPA (for ubuntu 
16.04.3). I took the new get_iplayer Perl file from the .zip archive and 
replaced it in /usr/bin/.  Curiously it is now showing

get_iplayer 3.13-ppa31d
which I don't think it did when I first started using the new version. 
Maybe the PPA has been updated in a software update.


Best wishes
Richard



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Re: v3.13 released

[Clive]

On 27/03/18 21:54, Graeme Thorn wrote:

get_iplayer
--cache-rebuild --type="radio"
That worked. Wow, never seen so many lines of dots on the terminal 
screen. Thank you, I now have three episodes of hitchhiker showing. Must 
do that for TV also.


Thank you again.

Clive


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Re: v3.13 released

[SquarePenguin]

On Tue, 2018-03-27 at 21:19 +0100, Clive wrote: 
> Episodes 1 & 2 are found by the term: get_iplayer hitch. I can get the 
> third episode from the pid. Can anyone offer any guidance please?

Unless my installation is broken too I'm surprised you can see anything with
`get_iplayer hitch`. 

Those episodes are radio so I'd expect to have to use get_iplayer --type=radio
hitch` to see those episodes. 

Perhaps a typo (or some other option preference saved), but nonetheless I'm also
surprised you get episodes 1 and 2 but not 3. Being the oldest episode I'd have
guessed at episode 1 not being available simply by dint of not updating the
cache over the last 30 days. 

Try forcing a cache update `get_iplayer --type=all --refresh`

After the above, could you post the output of `get_iplayer --type=radio hitch` ?




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Re: v3.13 released

[Colin Law]

On 27 March 2018 at 21:42, Roger Bell_West  wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 09:36:55PM +0100, Clive wrote:
>>get_iplayer 3.13-ppa31d, Copyright (C) 2008-2010 Phil Lewis
>
> OK, that's not a "pure" 3.13, and maybe that's your problem. I'm
> running directly off the github download. Anyone else using this PPA
> version?

I am seeing the same issue (only the first two episodes) running that
version on a pi.
$ apt-cache policy get-iplayer
get-iplayer:
  Installed: 3.13-ppa31d~stable
  Candidate: 3.13-ppa31d~stable
  Version table:
 *** 3.13-ppa31d~stable 0
500 http://packages.hedgerows.org.uk/raspbian/ stable/ Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

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Re: v3.13 released

[Graeme Thorn]

Hi,

I would suggest doing a full cache rebuild using get_iplayer
--cache-rebuild --type="radio", as it could be that the days then g_ip
couldn't download are missing from them.

G

On 27 March 2018 at 21:48, SquarePenguin  wrote:
> On Tue, 2018-03-27 at 21:42 +0100, Roger Bell_West wrote:
>> OK, that's not a "pure" 3.13, and maybe that's your problem.
>
> Unlikely. That's just the Ubuntu PPA which basically installs the exact same
> files as if you do it manually.
>
> I'm using it and see episodes 2 and 3 just fine. (I don't see 1 because I
> haven't refreshed my cache in a while).
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Re: v3.13 released

[SquarePenguin]

On Tue, 2018-03-27 at 21:42 +0100, Roger Bell_West wrote:
> OK, that's not a "pure" 3.13, and maybe that's your problem.

Unlikely. That's just the Ubuntu PPA which basically installs the exact same
files as if you do it manually. 

I'm using it and see episodes 2 and 3 just fine. (I don't see 1 because I
haven't refreshed my cache in a while).


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Re: v3.13 released

[Clive]

On 27/03/18 21:42, Roger Bell_West wrote:

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 09:36:55PM +0100, Clive wrote:

get_iplayer 3.13-ppa31d, Copyright (C) 2008-2010 Phil Lewis

OK, that's not a "pure" 3.13, and maybe that's your problem. I'm
running directly off the github download. Anyone else using this PPA
version?

If you were to email me the .pl script directly I could rename the one I 
have and try your copy in its place.


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Re: v3.13 released

[Roger Bell_West]

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 09:36:55PM +0100, Clive wrote:
>get_iplayer 3.13-ppa31d, Copyright (C) 2008-2010 Phil Lewis

OK, that's not a "pure" 3.13, and maybe that's your problem. I'm
running directly off the github download. Anyone else using this PPA
version?

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Re: v3.13 released

[Clive]

On 27/03/18 21:34, Roger Bell_West wrote:

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 09:19:43PM +0100, Clive wrote:

I've been away so my apologies if this has been covered. I understand that
scraping the BBC pages was broken but is fixed in v3.13 - well, not for me it
seems. I am using get_iplayer in a Terminal within Linux Mint. For example,
there are three episodes of Hitchhiker available but only Episodes 1 & 2 are
found by the term: get_iplayer hitch. I can get the third episode from the
pid. Can anyone offer any guidance please?

Since I have successfully downloaded that same programme with 3.13,
can you confirm absolutely that you're running the new version?

(Yes, I know it sounds stupid. I've done it before.)

R


get_iplayer > x.txt produces:

get_iplayer 3.13-ppa31d, Copyright (C) 2008-2010 Phil Lewis
  This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details use 
--warranty.
  This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under 
certain

  conditions; use --conditions for details.

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Re: v3.13 released

[Roger Bell_West]

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 09:19:43PM +0100, Clive wrote:
>I've been away so my apologies if this has been covered. I understand that
>scraping the BBC pages was broken but is fixed in v3.13 - well, not for me it
>seems. I am using get_iplayer in a Terminal within Linux Mint. For example,
>there are three episodes of Hitchhiker available but only Episodes 1 & 2 are
>found by the term: get_iplayer hitch. I can get the third episode from the
>pid. Can anyone offer any guidance please?

Since I have successfully downloaded that same programme with 3.13,
can you confirm absolutely that you're running the new version?

(Yes, I know it sounds stupid. I've done it before.)

R

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Re: v3.13 released

[Clive]

I've been away so my apologies if this has been covered. I understand 
that scraping the BBC pages was broken but is fixed in v3.13 - well, not 
for me it seems. I am using get_iplayer in a Terminal within Linux Mint. 
For example, there are three episodes of Hitchhiker available but only 
Episodes 1 & 2 are found by the term: get_iplayer hitch. I can get the 
third episode from the pid. Can anyone offer any guidance please?


Thank you.

Clive

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Re: v3.13 released

[Amro Bilal]

Apologies, yes it looks I mistakenly replied to you directly rather than the 
list. And thanks a lot for answering my question.
All the best
Amro 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 Mar 2018, at 5:46 pm, RS  wrote:
> 
>> On 25/03/18 17:05, Amro Bilal wrote:
>> Has this release solved the refresh issue? Thanks.
>> Amro
>>> On 24/03/2018 07:06 PM, RS wrote:
>>> v3.13 has been released.
>>> https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/wiki/release310to319#release313 
>>> 
> 
> The release notes say it has (see the last item).  As far as I can tell, it 
> has.
> 
> Best wishes
> Richard
> 
> 
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Re: v3.13 released

[RS]

On 25/03/18 17:05, Amro Bilal wrote:

Has this release solved the refresh issue? Thanks.


Amro


On 24/03/2018 07:06 PM, RS wrote:

v3.13 has been released.
https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/wiki/release310to319#release313 





The release notes say it has (see the last item).  As far as I can tell, 
it has.


Best wishes
Richard




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Re: v3.13 released

[RS]

This reply seems to have gone astray, possibly because the message was 
sent to me rather than the list.


On 25/03/18 17:05, Amro Bilal wrote:
> Has this release solved the refresh issue? Thanks.
>
>
> Amro
>
>
> On 24/03/2018 07:06 PM, I wrote:
>> v3.13 has been released.
>> 
https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/wiki/release310to319#release313

>>

The release notes say it has (see the last item).  As far as I can tell, 
it has.


Best wishes
Richard



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v3.13 released - question

[RS]

I'll have a third try at sending this reply.  As I said at the previous 
attempt, that may have failed because I replied to a message which had 
been sent to me instead of the list.  I then tried replying to my 
original message.  I am now trying to send it as a new message.


This reply seems to have gone astray, possibly because the message was 
sent to me rather than the list.


On 25/03/18 17:05, Amro Bilal wrote:
> Has this release solved the refresh issue? Thanks.
>
>
> Amro
>
>
> On 24/03/2018 07:06 PM, I wrote:
>> v3.13 has been released.
>> 
https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/wiki/release310to319#release313

>>

The release notes say it has (see the last item).  As far as I can tell, 
it has.


Best wishes
Richard


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v3.13 released

[RS]

v3.13 has been released.
https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/wiki/release310to319#release313


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