Re: [Gimp-developer] file open and create
But it still could - the only difference would be the state of the checkbox - without a separate menu item. You mean bringing up the open dialog with 'as layers' checked with a different shortcut? It seems unorthodox, but maybe worth a try. So we'd have Create-From URI next to Create-From Webpage??? I don't seem to have the CreateFrom Webpage. Its a plug-in? File-Create makes sense for Buttons and Logos, but not for URI, clipboard, screenshot, scan etc. Can these be united in one category for the menu? But all I really care about is having something predictable, where I can look at the menu and guess what things do I can relate to this. Perhaps you should use Tito ;) On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net wrote: On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 10:01 +0530, Srihari Sriraman wrote: IMHO a tabbed interface would be add to the confusion. You're probably right, the idea is try to simplify. Open as Layers is a powerful and frequent user scenario. Yes, I use it a lot. Not suggesting removing it, only moving it, as it's really an option on file-open. Which should be file-import: compromising the metaphor for ease of use indicates the metaphor isn't right. Ctrl+O is something everyone is used to, and its easy to catch the Ctrl+Alt+O behaviour. Actually I'd never noticed it had that shortcut. But it still could - the only difference would be the state of the checkbox - without a separate menu item. I think Open Location could be moved to CreateFrom URI along with CreateFrom Clipboard. Then we would have only 2 open dialogs, which is quite clear. So we'd have Create-From URI next to Create-From Webpage??? Another thought could be moving the first half of FileCreate [Clipboard, Screenshot] etc somewhere else. Since these don't really 'create' something, in contrast with the rest of FileCreate [Buttons, logos, etc]. I have under File-Create from clipboard from webpage screenshot xsane device dialog xsane epkowa:usb:003:002 xsane v4l:'dev'video0 Sometimes I get epson expression 1000 XL in there too. In every other program scanning is under file-acquire, which is badly named but at least predictable. But all I really care about is having something predictable, where I can look at the menu and guess what things do. Having file-open and fil-create is confusing and so is having both open location and open webpage. So I thought I'd try start a conversation about it :) Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml -- * * *Regards, * *Srihari Sriraman * ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] file open and create
Liam R E Quin wrote: Goal: I'm sure I'm not alone in finding file-open and file-create confusing, along with file-create-from webpage being different from File-Open Location, both of which take a URI... it's a mess. File-Create is not related at all to File-Open. it is related to File-New. it is New with the size (and maybe other) parameters set, and the specified content (which is always _not_ a file) in the first layer. I maintain it is very important to have a direct menu item to do: File-Create from clipboard from webpage screenshot xsane device dialog xsane epkowa:usb:003:002 xsane v4l:'dev'video0 with shortcuts (for the stable items I guess) being assignable and no penalty of dialogs (if possible). we can discuss again how Create was named (I was involved, so it ain't half bad); it was to not to have New... and under it New (with a submenu). --ps founder + principal interaction architect man + machine interface works http://blog.mmiworks.net: on interaction architecture ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-user] Is it possible to access the capabilities of gimp in Java?
On 05/31/2012 03:14 AM, stephen wrote: On 05/31/2012 02:33 AM, stephen wrote: Hello, Does Gimp offer an interface (dll) which will allow me to access it capabilities through java or c++? There is a C interface, and there is a Python interface which is quite powerful. What is the name of the dlls that offer those interfaces. Can you point me to a web page that describes them. Thanks, Stephen For C: http://www.gimp.org/docs/plug-in/plug-in.html For Python: http://www.gimp.org/docs/python/index.html I strongly suggest that you subscribve to the gimp-developer mailing list: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Work for new contributors (news from 2012-05-04)
Conley Moorhous (conleymoorh...@gmail.com) wrote: I would like to start contributing to GIMP. I was going to start with an old enhancement request on bugzilla, but I don't know my way around the source code yet. A good way to get guidance is to drop by in the #gimp IRC channel on gimpnet (irc.gimp.org) and state your question. It might take a while until someone reacts, but there are people out there that know their way around in the code and are willing to help. Some advice though: We generally frown upon I have a question. Can someone help me? or anybody here?... :) Make sure to ask as specific questions as specific as possible. This increases the chances on getting a reply a lot. Glad you want to help! Simon -- si...@budig.de http://simon.budig.de/ ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] file open and create
How about: *Import from* URI clipboard webpage xsane device dialog xsane epkowa:usb:003:002 xsane v4l:'dev'video0 and *Create* Buttons Logos Pattern On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 1:01 PM, peter sikking pe...@mmiworks.net wrote: Liam R E Quin wrote: Goal: I'm sure I'm not alone in finding file-open and file-create confusing, along with file-create-from webpage being different from File-Open Location, both of which take a URI... it's a mess. File-Create is not related at all to File-Open. it is related to File-New. it is New with the size (and maybe other) parameters set, and the specified content (which is always _not_ a file) in the first layer. I maintain it is very important to have a direct menu item to do: File-Create from clipboard from webpage screenshot xsane device dialog xsane epkowa:usb:003:002 xsane v4l:'dev'video0 with shortcuts (for the stable items I guess) being assignable and no penalty of dialogs (if possible). we can discuss again how Create was named (I was involved, so it ain't half bad); it was to not to have New... and under it New (with a submenu). --ps founder + principal interaction architect man + machine interface works http://blog.mmiworks.net: on interaction architecture ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list -- * * *Regards, * *Srihari Sriraman * ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Work for new contributors (news from 2012-05-04)
Hello Conley, there is an Wiki page, that may help you with getting started: http://wiki.gimp.org/index.php/Main_Page On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Conley Moorhous conleymoorh...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to start contributing to GIMP. I was going to start with an old enhancement request on bugzilla, but I don't know my way around the source code yet. Someone on irc suggested I check the news on gimp.org from 2012-05-04, about porting little things. So, how can I help? There are some easy tasks marked in the bugzilla with the GNOME-love tag: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=keywords%3Agnome-love+product%3A%22GIMP%22+ I would suggest that you: 1. Find something that you are interested in. 2. Talk about your planned solution (IRC or this Mailing list) 3. Code 4. Add a Git-Patch to a bug in bugzilla. Regards, Tobias ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] file open and create
Srihari Sriraman wrote: How about: Import from URI clipboard webpage xsane device dialog xsane epkowa:usb:003:002 xsane v4l:'dev'video0 and Create Buttons Logos Pattern the word Import is, again, related to Open, and that is exactly not how it works (for users, mind). so this should not be communicated. always, always, always the word New needs to be there, or to be implied (like it is with Create). File-Create is not related at all to File-Open. it is related to File-New. it is New with the size (and maybe other) parameters set, and the specified content (which is always _not_ a file) in the first layer. --ps founder + principal interaction architect man + machine interface works http://blog.mmiworks.net: on interaction architecture ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] file open and create
El 31/05/12 04:31, peter sikking escribió: we can discuss again how Create was named (I was involved, so it ain't half bad); it was to not to have New... and under it New (with a submenu). What about File New from... Submenu Gez ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] file open and create
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Srihari Sriraman wrote: How about: Create Buttons Logos Pattern I just want to note that most of those scripts will be gone in 2.10. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] file open and create
El 31/05/12 04:31, peter sikking escribió: we can discuss again how Create was named (I was involved, so it ain't half bad); it was to not to have New... and under it New (with a submenu). What about File New from... Submenu well, the ellipsis is forbidden for a menu item that just shows a sub menu (it is the law, and they are right, I say). then this has to be looked at always with the submenu next to it: from clipboard from webpage screenshot xsane device dialog xsane epkowa:usb:003:002 xsane v4l:'dev'video0 you see that the from is in the submenu to have flexibility whether something is created from a resource that is not an image file (clipboard, webpage) or by initiating a capture (screenshot, scan). a more correct submenu would be: from clipboard from webpage screenshot scan--xsane device dialog scan--xsane epkowa:usb:003:002 scan--xsane v4l:'dev'video0 (the ‘--’ being an am dash, but this is monospace email. but this discussion fragmentation takes the attention from another point Liam made: Goal: I'm sure I'm not alone in finding file-open and file-create confusing, along with file-create-from webpage being different from File-Open Location, both of which take a URI... it's a mess. ah, the difference between: file-create-from webpage and File-Open Location same kind of confusion, no between an open (location) from an URI which opens/imports image files, and a new file with a rendering (from webpage, a non image file). is the root of all this evil for Laim that Create does not express New file enough? --ps founder + principal interaction architect man + machine interface works http://blog.mmiworks.net: on interaction architecture ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-user] Is it possible to access the capabilities of gimp in Java?
Ofnuts wrote: On 05/31/2012 03:14 AM, stephen wrote: On 05/31/2012 02:33 AM, stephen wrote: Hello, Does Gimp offer an interface (dll) which will allow me to access it capabilities through java or c++? There is a C interface, and there is a Python interface which is quite powerful. Hi, I see the following possibilities: 1. There is a Java wrapper for GIMP, see http://jgimp.sourceforge.net/, but this project hasn't been active for a long time. 2. A still existing way is to use the Java Native Interface (JNI), which lets you call C/C++ functions from Java and vice versa. 3. GIMP has a built-in script-fu server which interpretes GIMPs plugin language, a Scheme dialect. You could connect to it over a socket from an arbitrary language and control GIMP remotely, although it's a bit oversized if you could call GIMPs functionality directly from within your program. 4. IMHO you should be able to access C from C++ by including the C header files, but I haven't tried this for GIMP yet. 5. If you're only interested in accessing GIMPs graphics core, then you could use a wrapper around the GEGL library. A Java language binding has yet to be developed. Best regards, grafxuser ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] file open and create
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net wrote: What if there was only File-Open and you got a file chooser (as now) but with a tabbed interface (or buttons) to get to We had a similar discussion back in August 2010. VLC uses a tabbed interface for Open ( http://www.gnu.org/fry/happy-birthday-to-gnu-sfd-vlc.html) and while it works, I'm not sure it would be simplifying. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:07 AM, peter sikking pe...@mmiworks.net wrote: is the root of all this evil for Laim that Create does not express New file enough? For me, the problem is that Create Screenshot and Create From Clipboard make no sense. It is not that Create doesn't express New, it's that Create expresses an action that is going to start with Nothing and then Invent Something. Paste and Scan do not fit this role. My suggestion from back then still seems reasonable to me: File -v- New - From Template... [Ctrl+N] From Clipboard [Shift+Ctrl+V] Scanned Image... Screenshot... Create - Buttons - [etc] Chris ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Different Languagepacks Linux/Windows?
On 12-05-29 11:55 AM, Jernej Simončič wrote: Neither - PyGimp on Windows is always 32-bit, so I suspect it's looking for translations relatively to the 32-bit DLL directory. If a person wants to compile GIMP for 64-bit why is pygimp still only 32-bit? Known compatability issues? No one has gotten around to testing 64-bit? Or could it be as simple as no one has bothered to update the build method for pygimp? It seems odd to me to mix 32-bit and 64-bit in parts of a program that all come out of the same source tree. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful! #include disclaimer/favourite | --Chris Hardwick ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Different Languagepacks Linux/Windows?
On 31 May 2012 12:53, Kevin Cozens ke...@ve3syb.ca wrote: On 12-05-29 11:55 AM, Jernej Simončič wrote: Neither - PyGimp on Windows is always 32-bit, so I suspect it's looking for translations relatively to the 32-bit DLL directory. If a person wants to compile GIMP for 64-bit why is pygimp still only 32-bit? Known compatability issues? No one has gotten around to testing 64-bit? Or could it be as simple as no one has bothered to update the build method for pygimp? It seems odd to me to mix 32-bit and 64-bit in parts of a program that all come out of the same source tree. Last I checked, there is no native PyGTK+ for Windows 64bit, due to the fact the binary signatures used by GCC in win 64 (used in gobject, gtk+) and visualstudio (used for Python) are different. I do not use Windows, and have no idea if this has changed. Since pyGIMP works as an off-process plug-in, if it works, it is the way to go, because there would not be a feasible work-around. I intend to research and update pygimp to use gobject introspection during gimp 2.9 - maybe that can allow for a 64bit version of it on Windows. (It is important to note that such problems do not happen under Linux - and that there are other problems due to not using gobject introspection under mac os x) js -- -- Cheers! Kevin. ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
[Gimp-developer] Sorry to Hi-Jack this list but we we have a need for Gimp or Photoshop style tools in our application
Sorry to somewhat hi-jack this list... We are looking for a partner to help us add some Gimp or Photoshop tools to our application. Are any of the developers that have experience in this interested, or can you point us toward a developer/programmer that does? We have a Sketch Composite tool that creates composites in grayscale. Currently it uses the basic MS Paint toolset. We are looking for simple paint tools plus a few more advanced ones like a smudge or blend tool, stamp tool, and clone tool for our new version that is in development. So a small subset of tools. Another option is to have our app export or connect to Gimp and let the user edit it in the application. Has this been done? I know Adobe has a connector but cannot get anywhere with them. If you have any info for us we greatly appreciate it. We are having a hard time finding qualified individuals to help with our application. Best regards, John Corder Identi-Kit Solutions 866-414-9286 www.identikit.net ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
