Re: [Gimp-developer] What about switching from Gtk+ to Qt

2012-07-28 Thread gg 

On 07/29/12 02:11, Malix wrote:

I already know that this post will generate a lot of flames. Next step
of the project is the porting of the code to Gtk 3, why instead not
switching away from gtk and go with Qt? And also leave autohell and
switch to make?

You can think that I'm just kidding but consider those two blog post

http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2012/07/23/self-congratulating-echo-chamber/

http://blog.mardy.it/2012/05/from-g-to-q.html?m=1





The second link is particularly interesting. Thanks.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] What about switching from Gtk+ to Qt

2012-07-28 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine 
On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:11 AM, Malix wrote:

> I already know that this post will generate a lot of flames.

But you do it anyway?

> Next step of the project is the porting of the code to Gtk 3

It started over a year ago, it's just lower priority right now.

> why instead not switching away from gtk and go with Qt?

Because developers prefer GTK+? Because GTK+ was born from GIMP, so
there's a bond between the two projects?

> And also leave autohell and switch to make?

What is make, please? Are you referring to CMake maybe? :)

Personally I don't mind it. Would you like to provide a patch?

> You can think that I'm just kidding but consider those two blog post

No, you are "merely" suggesting to scrap a lot of work on GTK3 port
that's already done.

> http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2012/07/23/self-congratulating-echo-chamber/

I think you really intended to link to
http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2012/07/27/staring-into-the-abyss/
instead. There are some good points and some horrible points there.
You do not explain however, what is it exactly that made you link to
this blog posting.

> http://blog.mardy.it/2012/05/from-g-to-q.html?m=1

Sorry, but sending people to a wall of text is not very helpful.
You'll have to explain what you were meant to say with this link :)

Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org
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Re: [Gimp-developer] What about switching from Gtk+ to Qt

2012-07-28 Thread Malix 
Ops my phone wrongly change this: "And also leave autohell and switch to
cmake"
Il giorno 29/lug/2012 02:11, "Malix"  ha scritto:

> I already know that this post will generate a lot of flames. Next step of
> the project is the porting of the code to Gtk 3, why instead not switching
> away from gtk and go with Qt? And also leave autohell and switch to make?
>
> You can think that I'm just kidding but consider those two blog post
>
> http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2012/07/23/self-congratulating-echo-chamber/
>
> http://blog.mardy.it/2012/05/from-g-to-q.html?m=1
>
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[Gimp-developer] What about switching from Gtk+ to Qt

2012-07-28 Thread Malix 
I already know that this post will generate a lot of flames. Next step of
the project is the porting of the code to Gtk 3, why instead not switching
away from gtk and go with Qt? And also leave autohell and switch to make?

You can think that I'm just kidding but consider those two blog post

http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2012/07/23/self-congratulating-echo-chamber/

http://blog.mardy.it/2012/05/from-g-to-q.html?m=1
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[Gimp-developer] self-compiled git gimp 2.9 complains about old babl version

2012-07-28 Thread Guiu Rocafort 
I've been making my first attempt to compile gimp. I've compiled babl and
gegl both from git. When compiling gimp ( also from git ) it compiles
successfully but when executing it it complains about having an old version
of babl. I'm sure I have the latest babl version because I've compiled it
from git and i actually made a "make install" on it so the babl gimp is
taking should be the one I compiled. Any idea about what can be wrong ?

The exact error message says like this:

"BABL version too old!

GIMP requires BABL version 0.1.11 or later.
Installed BABL version is 0.1.10.

Somehow you or your software packager managed
to install GIMP with an older BABL version.

Please upgrade to BABL version 0.1.11 or later."

Thanks in advance
Guiu Rocafort

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Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-user] Gimp for casual users

2012-07-28 Thread Andreas Lemke 
Here is the doc on Dropbox 
.



Am 28.07.2012 20:51, schrieb Andreas Lemke:
So here is my report - as an OpenOffice doc. I hope I can post it 
here. Otherwise please let me know how I can best share it.


Andreas


Am 28.07.2012 18:02, schrieb Andreas Lemke:

Hi,

I have done a simple usability study with a novice Gimp user (only 
one, not 1000 :-). Would it be ok if I post it on gui.gimp.org? But I 
would need to have an account. There doesn't seem to be an option to 
register.


Best,

Andreas
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Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-user] Gimp for casual users

2012-07-28 Thread peter sikking 
Andreas Lemke wrote:

> I have done a simple usability study with a novice Gimp user (only one, not 
> 1000 :-). Would it be ok if I post it on gui.gimp.org?  But I would need to 
> have an account. There doesn't seem to be an option to register.


to be a usability study it needs to be a usability study.

this does not take 1000 participants, one-way mirror labs and
video cameras.

but the bare minimum needs to be there:

test participants recruited from the core user groups (these are well
defined for GIMP, see: )
yes, the participants can be serving their apprenticeships / be on
the learning curve to the groups defined there, but on their way
they must be.

six or more participants (not the more the better, above 12 really the
law of diminishing returns kicks in).

beyond that a solid report with a clear test protocol description
and clear outline of findings would convince me that it is really
a usability study.

usability folks know that, apart from the effort that goes into
recruiting, what I ask for above is really easy, practical
and minimal.

when really a usability study was done or will get done, we can
talk about how that can go into gui.gimp.org

--ps

founder + principal interaction architect
man + machine interface works

http://blog.mmiworks.net: on interaction architecture



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Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-user] Gimp for casual users

2012-07-28 Thread Liam R E Quin 
On Sat, 2012-07-28 at 18:02 +0200, Andreas Lemke wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have done a simple usability study with a novice Gimp user (only one, 
> not 1000 :-). Would it be ok if I post it on gui.gimp.org?  But I would 
> need to have an account. There doesn't seem to be an option to register.

That site is more of a way for the gui team to communicate with the
world than a general community site. But if you send a link to your
study, even on this list, I'm sure it will be reviewed with great
interest, and maybe could end up on that wiki or on the brainstorm site.

Liam

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Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-user] Gimp for casual users

2012-07-28 Thread Andreas Lemke 

Hi,

I have done a simple usability study with a novice Gimp user (only one, 
not 1000 :-). Would it be ok if I post it on gui.gimp.org?  But I would 
need to have an account. There doesn't seem to be an option to register.


Best,

Andreas
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