[Gimp-developer] Gimp 2.8 : my opinion
*BEFRORE READING, EXCUSE THE SEVERAL MISTAKES YOU MAY READ IN THIS MESSAGE. I'M FRENCH (I KONOW IT IS NOT A GREAT EXCUSE BUT I DO NOT FIND ANYTHING ELSE...)* Hello, I am a french young Gimp user (since 2.0 version) and I wish to tell my opinion about the latest version (2.8). In fact, I did not know to whom I have to send this message.I suppose you'll tell me where's the exit door, or, at worst, to whom I have to write. I congratulate you for the hard work you do. All these improvements: improved layers manager (with folders...), awesome text editor... But (yes there is always a but in this kind of message) I do not appreciate the deliberate choice that you made to save the file within the xcf format and to export for the other formats. It is even contrary to the freedoms of the user I think. Don't feel aggressed, but one of the priorities of GNU, if I understand Stallman's philosophy, it is the user's freedom (short reminder : GIMP, GNU Image Manipulation Program). Stallman's philosophy or not, I think it is important to let people choose the format of the picture when they're saving their file. I know there is little chance that you return to the saving mode into any format.(I hope I contributed by exposing my opinion to the improvement of GIMP). -- Alexandre Ravaux http://www.doyoubuzz.com/alexandre-ravaux/ ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp 2.8 : my opinion
On Sat, 2012-09-08 at 00:25 +0200, Alexandre Ravaux wrote: *BEFRORE READING, EXCUSE THE SEVERAL MISTAKES YOU MAY READ IN THIS MESSAGE. I'M FRENCH (I KONOW IT IS NOT A GREAT EXCUSE BUT I DO NOT FIND ANYTHING ELSE...)* Hello, I am a french young Gimp user (since 2.0 version) and I wish to tell my opinion about the latest version (2.8). In fact, I did not know to whom I have to send this message.I suppose you'll tell me where's the exit door, or, at worst, to whom I have to write. I congratulate you for the hard work you do. All these improvements: improved layers manager (with folders...), awesome text editor... But (yes there is always a but in this kind of message) I do not appreciate the deliberate choice that you made to save the file within the xcf format and to export for the other formats. It is even contrary to the freedoms of the user I think. Don't feel aggressed, but one of the priorities of GNU, if I understand Stallman's philosophy, it is the user's freedom (short reminder : GIMP, GNU Image Manipulation Program). Stallman's philosophy or not, I think it is important to let people choose the format of the picture when they're saving their file. I know there is little chance that you return to the saving mode into any format.(I hope I contributed by exposing my opinion to the improvement of GIMP). Thanks Alexandre for being friendly and not right away bitching like many others :) However, we did this change for a reason: http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/Save_%2B_export_specification It's really only about getting used to a new keyboard shortcut when exporting. Regards, --mitch ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gegl-developer] Gimp 2.8 : my opinion
On 8 September 2012 09:32, Michael Natterer mi...@gimp.org wrote: On Sat, 2012-09-08 at 00:25 +0200, Alexandre Ravaux wrote: *BEFRORE READING, EXCUSE THE SEVERAL MISTAKES YOU MAY READ IN THIS MESSAGE. I'M FRENCH (I KONOW IT IS NOT A GREAT EXCUSE BUT I DO NOT FIND ANYTHING ELSE...)* Hello, I am a french young Gimp user (since 2.0 version) and I wish to tell my opinion about the latest version (2.8). In fact, I did not know to whom I have to send this message.I suppose you'll tell me where's the exit door, or, at worst, to whom I have to write. I congratulate you for the hard work you do. All these improvements: improved layers manager (with folders...), awesome text editor... But (yes there is always a but in this kind of message) I do not appreciate the deliberate choice that you made to save the file within the xcf format and to export for the other formats. It is even contrary to the freedoms of the user I think. Don't feel aggressed, but one of the priorities of GNU, if I understand Stallman's philosophy, it is the user's freedom (short reminder : GIMP, GNU Image Manipulation Program). Stallman's philosophy or not, I think it is important to let people choose the format of the picture when they're saving their file. I know there is little chance that you return to the saving mode into any format.(I hope I contributed by exposing my opinion to the improvement of GIMP). Thanks Alexandre for being friendly and not right away bitching like many others :) However, we did this change for a reason: http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/Save_%2B_export_specification It's really only about getting used to a new keyboard shortcut when exporting. Libre Graphics World has an article on the subject which is also worth a read: http://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/gimp-2.8-understanding-ui-changes -- Jon Nordby - www.jonnor.com ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
[Gimp-developer] Shape layers for GIMP?
I've looked around and it looks like GIMP doesn't have anything like Photoshop's shape layers. Shape layers are really cool because they're a path tied to a normal layer whose purpose is simply to ummask that normal layer. Photoshop then gives you a live preview of what that unmasked layer looks like when the path is closed, and automatically updates that preview as you edit the path's nodes. In addition, Photoshop offers the option to apply layer effects live (updated each time you edit the nodes in the shape layer's path). Although you can do this in GIMP, you have to do it all manually (create path, convert to selection, fill selection) so it's much slower and it isn't a live preview. Are there any plans to introduce something like this for GIMP? -- Best regards, Jeremy Morton (Jez) ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Reviving Tito (The menu search tool)
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Srihari Sriraman tec...@visishta.net wrote: Please ensure that you pulled from the tito branch. That was it :) Well, Tito looks like fun, but tells me Unable to open history file to write every time I select a command from the list and press Enter. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
[Gimp-developer] Problem with python save handler
I've put together a simple python save handler for OpenSCAD surface files. It was working, but after making some changes it is no longer popping up a dialog and is failing to save. I can, however call it via the python console like pdb.file_openscad_save The code is here: http://pastebin.com/EmpxmFVb I am a python newb, so I suspect it might have something to do with bad syntax, but I get no errors when gimp starts up Can anyone suggest what dumb mistake I've made? Thanks, -Rob A ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Problem with python save handler
On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Rob Antonishen rob.antonis...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone suggest what dumb mistake I've made? Dunno if it's related but min and max are built-in functions, so you shouldn't use them for var names. Chris ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Problem with python save handler
Dunno if it's related but min and max are built-in functions, so you shouldn't use them for var names. Chris Thanks I caught that and changed it, but still no luck http://pastebin.com/MKUEshcx -Rob A ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Reviving Tito (The menu search tool)
Well, Tito looks like fun Nice to know :) Unable to open history file to write Normally, shouldn't show up. It may mean that tito/gimp does not have write access to the gimp-sysconf directory (gimp/etc/gimp/2.0/). Could you tell me if any related error shows up on the console? On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Srihari Sriraman tec...@visishta.net wrote: Please ensure that you pulled from the tito branch. That was it :) Well, Tito looks like fun, but tells me Unable to open history file to write every time I select a command from the list and press Enter. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list -- * * *Regards, * *Srihari Sriraman * ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Reviving Tito (The menu search tool)
On 08.09.2012 18:52, Srihari Sriraman wrote: Normally, shouldn't show up. It may mean that tito/gimp does not have write access to the gimp-sysconf directory (gimp/etc/gimp/2.0/). You require write access to a directory which is part of the gimp installation? How should a normal user have that? Regards, Michael -- Regards, Michael ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Shape layers for GIMP?
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 11:34:00 +0100 From: ad...@game-point.net To: gimp-developer-list@gnome.org; gegl-developer-l...@gnome.org Subject: [Gimp-developer] Shape layers for GIMP? I've looked around and it looks like GIMP doesn't have anything like Photoshop's shape layers. Shape layers are really cool because they're a path tied to a normal layer whose purpose is simply to ummask that normal layer. Photoshop then gives you a live preview of what that unmasked layer looks like when the path is closed, and automatically updates that preview as you edit the path's nodes. In addition, Photoshop offers the option to apply layer effects live (updated each time you edit the nodes in the shape layer's path). Although you can do this in GIMP, you have to do it all manually (create path, convert to selection, fill selection) so it's much slower and it isn't a live preview. Are there any plans to introduce something like this for GIMP? There's a slightly faster manual way: Stroke the path onto a layer mask, this keeps the shape of the layer separate from its actual content. True, you still have no live preview (you have to fill inside/outside of selection with 0% and 100% to set the mask) linked to a path object, but it's non-destructive to the layer's constituent pixels. -- Stratadrake strata_ran...@hotmail.com Numbers may not lie, but neither do they tell the whole truth. ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Reviving Tito (The menu search tool)
You require write access to a directory which is part of the gimp installation? How should a normal user have that? Fixed to use the user data and config directory. Thanks! :) On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Michael Schumacher schum...@gmx.de wrote: On 08.09.2012 18:52, Srihari Sriraman wrote: Normally, shouldn't show up. It may mean that tito/gimp does not have write access to the gimp-sysconf directory (gimp/etc/gimp/2.0/). You require write access to a directory which is part of the gimp installation? How should a normal user have that? Regards, Michael -- Regards, Michael __**_ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/**mailman/listinfo/gimp-**developer-listhttps://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list -- * * *Regards, * *Srihari Sriraman * ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Shape layers for GIMP?
On 08/09/2012 18:29, Richard Gitschlag wrote: There's a slightly faster manual way: Stroke the path onto a layer mask, this keeps the shape of the layer separate from its actual content. True, you still have no live preview (you have to fill inside/outside of selection with 0% and 100% to set the mask) linked to a path object, but it's non-destructive to the layer's constituent pixels. Destroying the constituent pixels isn't really what's taking up the time. What's taking up the time is going through the following process: 1. Delete previous applied effects layers. 2. Modify path. 3. Convert path to selection. 4. Fill selection with colour. 5. Apply inner shadow to layer. 6. Apply inner glow to layer. 7. Apply gradient to layer. 8. [etc...] With a shape layer, assuming it had been set up already with the desired effects, the above steps would change to the following: 1. Modify path. -- Best regards, Jeremy Morton (Jez) ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] history of great bugs
Hello Saul, Am 05.09.2012 20:37, schrieb Saul Goode: This brings us to the overlay mode, which most graphics programs define as using the screen mode when the upper layer is bright (above middle value) and multiply mode when it is dark. just a nit to pick: it is the bottom layer which determines whether to perform screening or multiplying [..] My understanding is that GIMP implementation of soft light mode is similar to Borland's graphics library in their Delphi programming environment. i presume you are referring to Pegtop’s extensive survey of blend modes [1]. The formula given there is exactly the GIMP implementation. As you said, softlight can be regarded as a smoothened variant of overlay mode which offers softer transitions. Mathematically, this formula describes a linear cross-fade between multiply and screen depending on the base layer value. best regards, yahvuu [1] http://www.pegtop.net/delphi/articles/blendmodes/softlight.htm ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Shape layers for GIMP?
On Sat, 2012-09-08 at 11:34 +0100, Jeremy Morton wrote: Are there any plans to introduce something like this for GIMP? The GIMP plans are limited by having very few active programmers. Are you volunteering to work on a feature like this? That would indeed be awesome. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml The barefoot programmer - http://www.holoweb.net/~liam/ ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Shape layers for GIMP?
I think the first stage, to make it really useful, would be to incorporate the Script-fu layer effects here into GIMP proper: http://registry.gimp.org/node/186 Are they already in GIMP? I can't see most of them. Once they were in, GIMP could apply them to shape layers automatically. -- Best regards, Jeremy Morton (Jez) On 08/09/2012 20:08, Liam R E Quin wrote: On Sat, 2012-09-08 at 11:34 +0100, Jeremy Morton wrote: Are there any plans to introduce something like this for GIMP? The GIMP plans are limited by having very few active programmers. Are you volunteering to work on a feature like this? That would indeed be awesome. Liam ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Shape layers for GIMP?
El 08/09/12 16:23, Jeremy Morton escribió: I think the first stage, to make it really useful, would be to incorporate the Script-fu layer effects here into GIMP proper: http://registry.gimp.org/node/186 Are they already in GIMP? I can't see most of them. Once they were in, GIMP could apply them to shape layers automatically. Those layer effects are just scripts inspired in Photoshop's layer effects (which are non-destructive and editable). As far as I know having GIMP ported completely to GEGL will make things like that possible (while the old core didn't), but still somebody has to code the feature. I'm afraid it's not as simple as incorporate the existing effects to GIMP proper. Regarding the original topic, I remember there was a vector layers GSoC project that never made it into GIMP. It's from 2006, so it was designed for the old core, but maybe somebody could take a look, at least to see if some of that code is useful for introducing the feature to the new GEGLized GIMP. Gez. ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Shape layers for GIMP?
I would call this a clipping path rather than a shape layer. I don't think it would be very hard to implement, except for one difficulty. The last time I looked (a couple of years ago), the GIMP path system required all paths to belong to an image's path list, making it impossible for a path to belong properly to a layer or other object. Until that requirement is relaxed, it won't be possible to do this in a reasonable way. The requirement also prevents a proper implementation of text-along-a-path. - Bill ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Shape layers for GIMP?
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Guillermo Espertino (Gez) wrote: Regarding the original topic, I remember there was a vector layers GSoC project that never made it into GIMP. The back-end part of it did. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Shape layers for GIMP?
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 19:02:53 +0100 From: ad...@game-point.net To: strata_ran...@hotmail.com CC: gimp-developer-list@gnome.org; gegl-developer-l...@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] Shape layers for GIMP? On 08/09/2012 18:29, Richard Gitschlag wrote: There's a slightly faster manual way: Stroke the path onto a layer mask, this keeps the shape of the layer separate from its actual content. True, you still have no live preview (you have to fill inside/outside of selection with 0% and 100% to set the mask) linked to a path object, but it's non-destructive to the layer's constituent pixels. Destroying the constituent pixels isn't really what's taking up the time. What's taking up the time is going through the following process: 1. Delete previous applied effects layers. 2. Modify path. 3. Convert path to selection. 4. Fill selection with colour. 5. Apply inner shadow to layer. 6. Apply inner glow to layer. 7. Apply gradient to layer. 8. [etc...] With a shape layer, assuming it had been set up already with the desired effects, the above steps would change to the following: 1. Modify path. -- Best regards, Jeremy Morton (Jez) Then the issue here is not with shaped layers itself, but layer post-processing effects in general. From those steps I assume you're telling Photoshop that the shadow and glow are live effects that Photoshop applies for you automatically, and re-applies whenever you change the path source. GIMP indeed can not do that and probably won't be able to for some time. Otherwise, the fastest GIMP steps I can come up for managing a layer clipping path are this: 1 - Create desired path shape. 2 - Path to selection. 3 - Add layer mask, initialized with selection. Then if/when you need to change the layer shape, you simply: 1 - Modify path object. 2 - Same path to selection. 3 - Delete layer mask. 4 - Add layer mask, initialized with selection. This does not include other effects, of course, only the layer shape itself. (And perhaps we really need a command to reinitialize the layer mask. I spot no easy way of telling GIMP to copy from selection mask channel to layer mask channel...) -- Stratadrake strata_ran...@hotmail.com Numbers may not lie, but neither do they tell the whole truth. ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
