Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

[C R]

A pixel brush seems like an adequate replacement for that functionality.

-C

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 8:46 PM, Ofnuts  wrote:

> On 21/06/16 17:00, Americo Gobbo wrote:
>
>>
>> the Pencil tool is a classic.
>>
>
> A little-used classic. It has its uses (pixel art), but on the whole I
> have much more often redirected pencil users to the brush that the reverse.
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

[Liam R. E. Quin]

On Tue, 2016-06-21 at 08:57 +0100, C R wrote:
> That's fine, except then you lose a dedicated tool to switch back and
> forth from.

In particular, if you use a tablet you can have a "pencil" stylus and a
"paintbrush" stylus.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

[Americo Gobbo]

Thanks,

I don't have understood reading the documentation... is possible to note 
that the tool pencil does more that hard-edge or not anti-aliasing.



On 21-06-2016 12:18, Simon Budig wrote:

The Tool Options of the Pencil and Paintbrush are identical... the unique
>difference is that Pencil don't have antialiasing... so, hard edges.

Note that the pencil tool also avoid non-integer brush coordinates, i.e.
the brushes "snap" to whole pixel positions.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

[Americo Gobbo]

Hi all,

The Tool Options of the Pencil and Paintbrush are identical... the 
unique difference is that Pencil don't have antialiasing... so, hard edges.


This is the concept of Pencil tool... to have, a Paintbrush with a 
hard-edge option is an option... but, if you can a tool with 
hard-edge... you need also the Hardness disabled... for me it seems a 
paradox condition.
The Paintbrush with hard edge, no antialising, is necessary to have the 
Hardness disabled... so, when I choose hard-edge option (alias Pencil), 
the hardness must appears faded (off).


I prefer to maintain the Pencil... and to cut only the hardness 
parameter of tool options... the Pencil tool is a classic. The unique 
equivocated option in the tool options is the Hardness.


The idea about, if I have understood well, to have not-antialiasing in 
the brush... it seems a bit strange for me, essentially because we can 
do it using hard-edge stains... normally I use the Pencil tool to create 
these stains. Normally, if you have a hard-edge stain, and you need a 
bit more soft stain... we can use the hardness slider and also a curve 
in the paint dynamics to control the hardness.


thanks,
americo

On 21-06-2016 10:17, Pat David wrote:

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 2:50 AM Ofnuts  wrote:


Shouldn't we instead get rid of the pencil tool and add a
no-anti-aliasing option to the brush?


This sounds like a great option.  As CR says, if the only difference is
that one parameter, then it makes sense.
+1


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

[C R]

>
> While tossing around wild ideas, what about allowing people to add tool
> presets to their toolbox? That way you could have your pencil back by
> adding
> such a preset.
>

For the two tools in question, this feature already exists. It's called the
"Brushes" palate. ;)
-C




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Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

[Tobias Ellinghaus]

On Tuesday 21 June 2016 13:17:59 Pat David wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 2:50 AM Ofnuts  wrote:
> > Shouldn't we instead get rid of the pencil tool and add a
> > no-anti-aliasing option to the brush?
> 
> This sounds like a great option.  As CR says, if the only difference is
> that one parameter, then it makes sense.
> +1

While tossing around wild ideas, what about allowing people to add tool 
presets to their toolbox? That way you could have your pencil back by adding 
such a preset.

Tobias

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

[Pat David]

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 2:50 AM Ofnuts  wrote:

> Shouldn't we instead get rid of the pencil tool and add a
> no-anti-aliasing option to the brush?
>

This sounds like a great option.  As CR says, if the only difference is
that one parameter, then it makes sense.
+1
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

[C R]

That's fine, except then you lose a dedicated tool to switch back and forth
from.

That said, I never ever have any use for the pencil tool. It would not make
me sad to see it go in favour of reducing number of tools.
It hardly seems worth having two tools that do the same thing apart from
one option.

My 2p.
-C



On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Ofnuts  wrote:

> Shouldn't we instead get rid of the pencil tool and add a no-anti-aliasing
> option to the brush?
>
> On 20/06/16 20:51, C R wrote:
>
>> Yep, may as well. lol
>> -C
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Andrew Pullins 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Sounds like a good idea
>>> On Jun 15, 2016 10:51 PM, "Americo Gobbo"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
 The Hardness parameter to Pencil Tool is not utilized, but is present in
 its Tool Options. Reading the documentation: “The Pencil tool is used to
 draw free hand lines with a hard edge. The pencil and paintbrush are
 similar tools. The main difference between the two tools is that
 although
 both use the same type of brush, the pencil tool will not produce fuzzy
 edges, even with a very fuzzy brush. It does not even do anti-aliasing.”
 If I have reason, I suggest delete the hardness Pencil parameter on tool
 options, to avoid mistakes/misleading on the UI.
 Thanks,
 americo


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

[Ofnuts]

Shouldn't we instead get rid of the pencil tool and add a 
no-anti-aliasing option to the brush?


On 20/06/16 20:51, C R wrote:

Yep, may as well. lol
-C

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Andrew Pullins 
wrote:


Sounds like a good idea
On Jun 15, 2016 10:51 PM, "Americo Gobbo"  wrote:


Hi all,
The Hardness parameter to Pencil Tool is not utilized, but is present in
its Tool Options. Reading the documentation: “The Pencil tool is used to
draw free hand lines with a hard edge. The pencil and paintbrush are
similar tools. The main difference between the two tools is that although
both use the same type of brush, the pencil tool will not produce fuzzy
edges, even with a very fuzzy brush. It does not even do anti-aliasing.”
If I have reason, I suggest delete the hardness Pencil parameter on tool
options, to avoid mistakes/misleading on the UI.
Thanks,
americo



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