Re: [Gimp-developer] [GIMP-developer] Discontinuation of mailing lists and moving to Discourse
i forgot to mention that the one reasonable alternative to smtp lists is nntp. it is ok to configure the all to "moderated" so that submission is via smtp. or code the server to accept via nntp but hold for approval. if that is desired. but everything is floss. and people can have a local copy if they want. or not if they do not want. push is still best, but nntp is at least an ethical alternative. http browser junk is not. -JimC -- James Cloos OpenPGP: 0x997A9F17ED7DAEA6 ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] [GIMP-developer] Discontinuation of mailing lists and moving to Discourse
PD> It's worth noting that in general, you can use a Discourse forum _entirely_ PD> in mailing-list mode if you want to. That is, you'll still see emails PD> coming in from the system and can reply to them in your mail client of PD> choice. really? last i saw it blocked new $subject threads and only permitted replies to existing threads. and screws up threading when $subject changes. very much not _entirely_ in mailing-list mode. plus you still have to screw around with tortuous ecmascript to subscribe. now if they have fixed those fatal flaws, but otherwise the change is harm w/o value. -JimC -- James Cloos OpenPGP: 0x997A9F17ED7DAEA6 ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] [GIMP-developer] Discontinuation of mailing lists and moving to Discourse
Hi, gimp-developer-list@gnome.org (2022-10-22 at 0839.17 -0500): > > While wandering around the new site, yes, it shows "This topic will > > close 14 days after the last reply." near the bottom of threads. > > This is entirely a site setting that can be changed by the admins of the > site. > I believe the Gnome administrator considered it here: > https://discourse.gnome.org/t/longer-auto-lock-timeout-for-topic-threads/7233/4 Interesting that the reason for so short open time is lack of moderators, then say that moderators can be contacted to reopen threads. Couple of posts there reasoned that some months would be more useful. > The point is to avoid bumping necro-threads - it's easy enough to start a > new topic and link/reference the previous topic (or individual posts) as > needed. Do posters remember to make the proper reference? Do people involved in the closed thread get notified in that case? Or in the case that the message is edited later to add the reference (or tags that were not added properly at creation time)? Is the world moving so fast that 14-30 days are necro now? Hey, look, a squirrel!!! Last post in thread mentioned an idea to smooth all this a bit (add "New Linked Topic"). Page says closed while showing Reply button, so it got implemented but forgot to label it properly, or there is another kind of bug. Cheers, GSR ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] [GIMP-developer] Discontinuation of mailing lists and moving to Discourse
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 01:17:50PM +0300, Cristian Secară wrote: > În data de Fri, 21 Oct 2022 11:25:05 -0500, Pat David via gimp-developer-list > a scris: > > Change sucks. I understand. > > When things gets complicated instead of getting simplified, that sucks for > sure. Yeah! -- Amike, Marco Ciampa ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] [GIMP-developer] Discontinuation of mailing lists and moving to Discourse
> While wandering around the new site, yes, it shows "This topic will > close 14 days after the last reply." near the bottom of threads. This is entirely a site setting that can be changed by the admins of the site. I believe the Gnome administrator considered it here: https://discourse.gnome.org/t/longer-auto-lock-timeout-for-topic-threads/7233/4 The point is to avoid bumping necro-threads - it's easy enough to start a new topic and link/reference the previous topic (or individual posts) as needed. On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 5:38 PM GSR - FR wrote: > Hi, > gimp-developer-list@gnome.org (2022-10-21 at 2237.14 +0200): > > Is it true that topics get auto-locked after few weeks? That doesn't > > seem pretty smart in terms of software development or user support at > > all, if it's true. > > While wandering around the new site, yes, it shows "This topic will > close 14 days after the last reply." near the bottom of threads. If > you visit any index, threads showing 16d e.g. in the right side have > lock icon in the left side. > > Cheers, > GSR > > ___ > gimp-developer-list mailing list > List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org > List membership: > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list > List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list > -- https://patdavid.net GPG: 66D1 7CA6 8088 4874 946D 18BD 67C7 6219 89E9 57AC ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] [GIMP-developer] Discontinuation of mailing lists and moving to Discourse
Hi, gimp-developer-list@gnome.org (2022-10-21 at 2237.14 +0200): > Is it true that topics get auto-locked after few weeks? That doesn't > seem pretty smart in terms of software development or user support at > all, if it's true. While wandering around the new site, yes, it shows "This topic will close 14 days after the last reply." near the bottom of threads. If you visit any index, threads showing 16d e.g. in the right side have lock icon in the left side. Cheers, GSR ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Discontinuation of mailing lists and moving to Discourse
Hi, gimp-user-l...@gnome.org (2022-10-18 at 0225.30 +0100): > On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 10:00:24PM +0200, Jehan Pagès via gimp-developer-list > wrote: > > Hi! > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 9:48 PM Rick Strong wrote: > > > > > So if I want to ask a question about using GIMP, or respond to a question, > > > how do I do it? > > Well basically same as you always did, except that now it will be on one of > > the Discourse instances, such as the pixls.us one or the GNOME one. Instead > > of being subscribed to a mailing list, it's on Discourse (which is > > basically a modern-time forum, as I see it), on which you'd have a > > login/account. :-) > > > > Jehan > As a linux user, this feels like a retrograde step (there are ways > of running mailing lists without python2, such as sympa, although > they tend to work sub-optimally). But it is outside my, and your, > control so thanks for the forewarning. Dropping Python 2 is possible, Mailman 3 uses Python 3. *shrug* Cheers, GSR ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] [GIMP-developer] Discontinuation of mailing lists and moving to Discourse
Hello, On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 11:25:05 -0500 Pat David via gimp-developer-list wrote: > It's worth noting that in general, you can use a Discourse forum _entirely_ > in mailing-list mode if you want to. That is, you'll still see emails > coming in from the system and can reply to them in your mail client of > choice. > On the backend, this translates into emails from you becoming forum posts > on discourse, and new posts showing up as new messages in your inbox. > > We've got a bunch of users at pixls using it in mailing-list mode (myself > included for a while initially). > > The caveat, of course, is that you'll still need to register for an account > on the forum in the first place (to provide your email address and set up > any settings you want initially). > Another caveat is that the forum administrators need to enable this as an > option - particularly for mailing *into* the forum to start a new topic (I > have this turned off be default on pixls but will enable it shortly for > y'all). [snip] Is it true that topics get auto-locked after few weeks? That doesn't seem pretty smart in terms of software development or user support at all, if it's true. The same topic is discussed here and there, it's interesting (and a bit scary) to see feedback coming from discourse users - currently I'm following the midnight commander ML as well, hosted at gnome.org for historical reasons but definitely independent nowadays. Regards, -- wwp https://useplaintext.email/ pgpOjab4tQpsz.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] [GIMP-developer] Discontinuation of mailing lists and moving to Discourse
Hi all! It's worth noting that in general, you can use a Discourse forum _entirely_ in mailing-list mode if you want to. That is, you'll still see emails coming in from the system and can reply to them in your mail client of choice. On the backend, this translates into emails from you becoming forum posts on discourse, and new posts showing up as new messages in your inbox. We've got a bunch of users at pixls using it in mailing-list mode (myself included for a while initially). The caveat, of course, is that you'll still need to register for an account on the forum in the first place (to provide your email address and set up any settings you want initially). Another caveat is that the forum administrators need to enable this as an option - particularly for mailing *into* the forum to start a new topic (I have this turned off be default on pixls but will enable it shortly for y'all). With that being said, if your primary view of internet forums is from previous software stacks (simple machines, phpBB, etc.) I would *strongly* suggest you give Discourse a fair shake. It is light-years beyond any forum software I've ever seen and the developers are focused on advancing meaningful interactions and discussions. Change sucks. I understand. Sometimes it's for a good reason and might surprise you with its utility and features. pat On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 10:46 AM Kevin Cozens wrote: > On 2022-10-17 12:38, Jehan Pagès via gegl-developer-list wrote: > > The GNOME Foundation has been moving all its discussions to a Discourse > > forum, progressively: > > I misread the above and thought it referred to the live chat system called > Discord. I wondered how that could possibly replace an email system. > > I found a message from GNOME about the change and found it is due to > mailman > still needing Python 2. I'm a little surprised that no one has volunteered > to update it to work with Python 3. > > > Instead, people wishing to discuss about GIMP are expected to use > GNOME's > > Discourse instance. In particular 2 tags were created for us: > > The replacement to the mailing list is a forum based site. I don't like > forums. I find it hard to follow the thread of a discussion. The use of a > forum also means I have to go to the site, login, then search for messages > that might be of interest to me. I don't see myself using the forum site. > > Once the mailing list goes away I will feel rather detached from the GIMP > community and thus it will feel like the end of an almost 30 year > involvement with the project. For now I will stay connected to the gimp > IRC > channel. > > -- > Cheers! > > Kevin. > > http://www.ve3syb.ca/ | "Nerds make the shiny things that > https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and > | that's why we're powerful" > Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | > #include | --Chris Hardwick > > ___ > gimp-developer-list mailing list > List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org > List membership: > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list > List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list > -- https://patdavid.net GPG: 66D1 7CA6 8088 4874 946D 18BD 67C7 6219 89E9 57AC ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] [GIMP-developer] Discontinuation of mailing lists and moving to Discourse
On 2022-10-17 12:38, Jehan Pagès via gegl-developer-list wrote: The GNOME Foundation has been moving all its discussions to a Discourse forum, progressively: I misread the above and thought it referred to the live chat system called Discord. I wondered how that could possibly replace an email system. I found a message from GNOME about the change and found it is due to mailman still needing Python 2. I'm a little surprised that no one has volunteered to update it to work with Python 3. Instead, people wishing to discuss about GIMP are expected to use GNOME's Discourse instance. In particular 2 tags were created for us: The replacement to the mailing list is a forum based site. I don't like forums. I find it hard to follow the thread of a discussion. The use of a forum also means I have to go to the site, login, then search for messages that might be of interest to me. I don't see myself using the forum site. Once the mailing list goes away I will feel rather detached from the GIMP community and thus it will feel like the end of an almost 30 year involvement with the project. For now I will stay connected to the gimp IRC channel. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ | "Nerds make the shiny things that https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and | that's why we're powerful" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | #include | --Chris Hardwick ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
[Gimp-developer] Discontinuation of mailing lists and moving to Discourse
Hello everyone! The GNOME Foundation has been moving all its discussions to a Discourse forum, progressively: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2022-September/msg00018.html We were informed today that they are on the last stage of this migration and that all the mailing lists will be fully retired by the end of October. This implies also all of GIMP and GEGL mailing lists. Instead, people wishing to discuss about GIMP are expected to use GNOME's Discourse instance. In particular 2 tags were created for us: * "gimp" tag for GIMP-related discussions: https://discourse.gnome.org/tag/gimp * "gegl" tag for GEGL-related discussions: https://discourse.gnome.org/tag/gegl We don't have as many tags as we used to have mailing lists, just these 2, but since all our lists are quite low volume these days, I didn't think it was worth asking, at least for now. GNOME admins confirmed that it would not be a problem to add new tags in the future if we ever decided we needed more (e.g. having a "gimp-dev" tag or whatnot). By the way, noteworthy information: GIMP has had already an official presence on pixls.us Discourse: https://discuss.pixls.us/gimp/ We discussed among the team if it was worth having presence on both pixls.us and GNOME discourse and we came to the conclusion that the audience is different, therefore it is interesting to stay on both communities. For discussion with existing GNOME contributors, translators and various GNOME users for instance, they might be already on the GNOME Discourse. On the other hand, pixls.us is a much more specialized forum/community on Photography in particular, and is also probably more platform-independent too. Last but not least, as I expect that some people might prefer interacting by email, I tried to look up what are the possibilities. This thread "Interacting with Discourse via email" is of interest: https://discourse.gnome.org/t/interacting-with-discourse-via-email/46 It didn't have the ability to create new threads easily, especially tagged with the "gimp" keyword. Discourse has a way to create a topic on a specific category but we couldn't find for tags, for instance you can send an email to community @ discourse.gnome.org (note that it doesn't work for every category, e.g. it didn't work for infrastructure; I haven't tested others). With Andrea Veri, GNOME Infrastructure admin, we came up with a special email hook: any email with "[GIMP]" in the subject will be tagged "gimp". Nevertheless you need to have level 1 trust level for this to work. We aren't sure exactly what it means other than having participated enough (whatever "enough" is) to the Discourse first. 路 See: https://discourse.gnome.org/t/gimp-how-to-send-emails-to-discourse-tagged-for-gimp-forum/11535 So I guess, let's continue discussing there everyone! 珞 Jehan GIMP maintainer -- ZeMarmot open animation film http://film.zemarmot.net Liberapay: https://liberapay.com/ZeMarmot/ Patreon: https://patreon.com/zemarmot Tipeee: https://www.tipeee.com/zemarmot ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
