Re: [Gimp-user] Can this gay flag gradient be added to releases of gimp?

2015-06-27 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 5:56 AM,  dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote:
 http://www.chaosreigns.com/code/dl/Gay-flag.ggr

 I just made it, based on the colors from
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_flag_(LGBT_movement)
 I'm pretty confident it's perfect.


I suppose you got the RGB values for the colors from the proper source.
(I did not see them on the Wikipedia page, is there a reference?)

The name in the .ggr file for the gradient is 'Gay flag'. Perhaps it
should be 'Rainbow flag' or 'LGBT flag'?
Other than that, it's fine.

Simos
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[Gimp-user] Question about the meanings of the numbers in a color gradient

2015-06-27 Thread Dora Smith

I've almost got it figured out.

GIMP Gradient
Name: Dora Gay flag
6
0.00 0.08 0.17 1.00 0.315000 0.315000 1.00 1.00 
0.315000 0.315000 1.00 0 0 0 0
0.17 0.25 0.33 1.00 0.501961 0.00 1.00 1.00 
0.501961 0.00 1.00 0 0 0 0
0.33 0.416667 0.50 1.00 1.00 0.00 1.00 1.00 
1.00 0.00 1.00 0 0 0 0
0.50 0.58 0.67 0.00 0.474510 0.250980 1.00 0.00 
0.474510 0.250980 1.00 0 0 0 0
0.67 0.75 0.83 0.250980 0.250980 1.00 1.00 0.250980 
0.250980 1.00 1.00 0 0 0 0
0.83 0.916667 1.00 0.627451 0.00 0.752941 1.00 0.627451 
0.00 0.752941 1.00 0 0 0 0


Third row is how many segments.  If an example has 2 segments it is 2; if an 
example has 18 segments it is 18.   This one has 6 segments so it is 6.


First three columns are left point, right (end point), and point where the 
gradient changes - and if the blended colors are close where it is doesn't 
matter.
Next are the left color in RGB decimal.  Following is a number that I don't 
know what it represents, and probably it is maximum at 1.00.
Following is the rgb code for the right color, then the number that I don't 
know what it means.
Following that are four 0's I understand noone knows what they mean but 
leave them alone.


Now, I can't get the gradient editor to work, but I did get it and the 
foreground color picker to help me select numbers.


There are two numbered scales, such that the maximum is 100.   One is 
blackness, V, and it controls how dark the color is.
The other is the saturation; it controls how intense my color is.   It goes 
from 0 to 100.


Somehow at one point I got the opacity slider to display; not sure how I 
managed it, but it controlled the opacity number and nothing else.


Now, in the gradient editor, I get the position at wherever my mouse is at, 
the rgb color, HSV, and luminance and opacity.

HSV is 0.0  some number between 1 and 100 100.0
Luminance is some number between 0 and 100.

It seems that everything changes together, except opacity and blackness, 
which change separately.


If I carefully keep the black control all the way down and change the 
saturation, both the luminance and the middle number in HSV change.


I don't see anything that goes from 0 to 1.000 that affects luminosity, 
saturation, or anything that controls how light or intense the color is.


So say I want RGB color 1.0, .307, .307, with the middle HSV number 69.4, 
and luminance 45.1; and in the foreground color picker this is Hue 0, 
saturation 85, V=100 (0 blackness), RGB = 255 38 38, and the HTML notation 
is ff2626.What number do I want to put after the RGB colors where 1.000 
is now?


Feel free to point me to anything that explains it that is written in 
English and won't take more than fifteen minutes for someone who got this 
far  to figure out, and also if there is a chart or, better, tool somewhere 
that will just tell me what numbers to use for the colors and saturation I 
want.


If I wanted to change the opacity, would that be changed IN the gradient, or 
would it be changed with how one applies the gradient?


Thanks!

Yours,
Dora Smith

-Original Message- 
From: Michael Schumacher

Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 10:21 AM
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Can this gay flag gradient be added to releases of 
gimp?




On 06/27/2015 04:56 AM, dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote:

Hi darxus,


http://www.chaosreigns.com/code/dl/Gay-flag.ggr

I just made it, based on the colors from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_flag_(LGBT_movement)


we've discussed the best name for the gradient - 'gay flag' as such
seems to be imprecise.

I think using the names as in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_symbols#Flag_gallery is a good choice
- and thus we could use Rainbow flag.


I'm pretty confident it's perfect.


The color of the left and right end point of the red stripe are slightly
different - is this intended?

Overall, the colors you have used are different to the HTML notation
used on the Wikipedia page - it uses color keywords. They are also
different to the colors of the six-color flag shown there.

I'm not sure if exact matches matter, but still would be curious how you
did get the colors you've used.


Adding that flag gradient:

If we add the flag gradient for the symbol it represents, we might want
to consider to add gradients for a few other flags from the gallery
linked previously, and use the names provided there.


In regard to including gradients at all:

We've had a few gradients for national flags in releases in the past
(French, German, Mexican, Romanian). They do still exist in our code
repository, but have been marked as obsolete:
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/tree/data/gradients/Makefile.am?h=gimp-2-8#n78

In general, we have reduced the number of resources that come with GIMP
by default. Adding some resources that have a 

Re: [Gimp-user] Can this gay flag gradient be added to releases of gimp?

2015-06-27 Thread darxus
On 06/27, Simos Xenitellis wrote:
 I suppose you got the RGB values for the colors from the proper source.
 (I did not see them on the Wikipedia page, is there a reference?)

I downloaded the .svg of the current version of the flag from wikipedia,
used imagemagick's convert program to convert it to .png, then used the eye
dropper in the gradient editor to grab the RGB values.  

(And I used the dialog to evenly divide it into six sections.)

 The name in the .ggr file for the gradient is 'Gay flag'. Perhaps it
 should be 'Rainbow flag' or 'LGBT flag'?
 Other than that, it's fine.

Yeah, I thought about that after I posted.  This is one as Rainbow flag,
if that helps:  

http://www.chaosreigns.com/code/dl/Rainbow-flag.ggr

(Not tested, but I just renamed the file, and did a string replace from
Gay to Rainbow.)
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Re: [Gimp-user] Can this gay flag gradient be added to releases of gimp?

2015-06-27 Thread Dora Smith

Thanks, darxus.

I have a suggestion, though.  People really want to celebrate events this 
week, which maybe not by coincidence coincides with Gay Pride Week, and not 
in a couple of years when the new edition of GIMP comes out.   You can make 
any GIMP add-on and circulate it on line, and see if it catches on.


Send me your script privately, and tell me how to use it, and I'll try it 
out myself.  I feel like celebrating.   It's been one of those our entire 
culture shifts completely in one week weeks.


By the way, Darxus, I know one doesn't normally do this, but I'm so sure you 
did NOT mean to discuss this only with me, especially as you specifically 
addressed yourself to someone else, that I'm posting it back to the list. 
I'm not the only one who thinks gradients grade, and I'm not who you wanted 
to tell they can use gradients to make their gay flag.  This list is set up 
so you have to reply all to reply to the list, and that is so unusual I fail 
to do it half of the time.


Dora

-Original Message- 
From: dar...@chaosreigns.com

Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 9:45 AM
To: Dora Smith
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Can this gay flag gradient be added to releases of 
gimp?


There are a couple flag gradients included with gimp, I think one of them
was French.  Gradients can have hard edges between them.  I assure you this
gradient does exactly the thing you'd want.  With a click and a drag you
have a gay flag over your image.

On 06/27, Dora Smith wrote:

The gay flag has morphed into a flag with horizontal colored bars,
sometimes with another symbol or the 50 starts in the upper left
quarter.

The problem with gradients is that colors blend into each other, so
it wouldn't be clear that it is a gay flag.Depending of course
on what creative use you might be using it for.

I'd suggest a stamp.

Or maybe it would be clearer if you post a link to an image of what
you have created.

The gay flag itself is very easy to copy.  Split your image into six
horizontal sections, and color them red, orange, yellow, green,
blue, and lavender or purple.   It's based on the gay version of the
rainbow version of Barack Obama's campaign symbol in 2008.

Dora


-Original Message- From: dar...@chaosreigns.com
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 9:56 PM
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: [Gimp-user] Can this gay flag gradient be added to releases
of gimp?

http://www.chaosreigns.com/code/dl/Gay-flag.ggr

I just made it, based on the colors from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_flag_(LGBT_movement)
I'm pretty confident it's perfect.
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