Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Version 2.8.16

[Elle Stone]

On 9/5/20 10:27 AM, Elle Stone wrote:

Hi Kenny,

In case Alex's suggestion to activate the legacy theme doesn't actually 
fix enough of the differences between "new gimp" and "old gimp", another 
possibility might be to install VirtualBox in your newest version of 
Mint, and then install in a virtual machine the last version of Mint 
that will install and run GIMP 2.8.


Two more possibilities for getting an older version of GIMP to run on 
current Mint:


* Try an appimage for GIMP-2.9 - the older the appimage, the closer it 
is to being more like GIMP-2.8. I used GIMP 2.9 since just about the 
beginning of its existence and it always ran just fine, very stable. 
Here's a link - scroll down to the files with "2.99" in the file name:

https://github.com/aferrero2707/gimp-appimage/releases/tag/continuous

Here's a link for asking about possibly older versions of GIMP-2.9 
appimage: 
https://discuss.pixls.us/t/gimp-appimage-continuous-integration/1959



* If GIMP for Windows runs on WINE (anyone know?), then try installing 
WINE and download an older precompiled version of GIMP for Windows. Just 
make sure the download site is reliable as many distributors of GIMP for 
Windows just want to distribute malware. "Partha's Place" is good place 
to download Windows versions of GIMP - scroll down on the right side, 
two versions of 2.8 are available:

https://www.partha.com/




Maybe you've already considered using a virtual machine, but if not, 
VirtualBox does allow to open/export/save files back and forth between 
the virtual machine's and real machine's hard drives. Once everything is 
running properly, make a backup copy of the virtual machine 
configuration files and especially the VDI (virtual disk image) in case 
the one you use every day somehow gets corrupted.


VirtualBox can be set up to run seamlessly inside the host Linux 
installation. I haven't used VirtualBox in several years, but back when 
I did use it regularly, it worked flawlessly to allow running an old 
operating system and software. I transferred that virtual machine 
through quite a few hardware and operating system changes, and it always 
worked like a charm.


I did find a pre-made, downloadable virtual machine for Mint 19:
https://www.linuxvmimages.com/images/virtualbox/
https://www.linuxvmimages.com/images/linuxmint-19/

Maybe somewhere there is a pre-made image for Mint 18 if Mint 19 won't 
work. But if you can install an operating system on bare metal, 
installing the same operating system in a virtual machine involves just 
about the exact same procedure - the difficult part is setting 
everything up to get to the point of actually being able to start 
installing the selected operating system.


Fortunately the VirtualBox forums are pretty good, or at least they used 
to be. Also there used to be (and probably still are) a lot of "how 
to's" on the internet, but at least in the past the "how to's"  were 
outdated almost as soon as they were written as VirtualBox itself was 
changing rapidly. So it's necessary to make sure the "how to" applies to 
the more recent versions of VirtualBox.


Probably the Mint forums could help, and the Arch Linux documentation 
always seem to have good, up-to-date "how tos" that often apply to other 
versions of Linux.


Best regards,
Elle


On 9/4/20 8:01 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-user-list wrote:

But Kenny,

You do not have to go back to 2.8 to get back the old user interface.

'Edit > Preferences > Interface > Theme / Icon Theme' will give you
legacy options.

Alex

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 2:46 AM Kenny Mann  
wrote:


I don't have the skills to compile GIMP from 



The new interface in GIMP 2.10 is a problem somewhat unique to me. I 
have a neurological disorder. Navigating anything -- walking to the 
grocery store and back, traveling by trains, buses, airplanes, 
sometimes even finding the kitchen in my house -- is dependent on 
life-long-learned tricks that are based in objective visible 
familiarity. This neural disorder is worsening.


After using Photoshop since v. 2.2, I've been using GIMP 2.8 in Linux 
Mint 17 and 18 for years. I work in GIMP 2.8 for hours every day. 
Samples:  No prob.


The threshold for gaining use of GIMP 2.10 would take unknown weeks 
of mostly failure, due to the lack of neural mapping I have for the 
interface. Read: It looks only similar to anyplace I've ever been and 
it's a place I have no readable map for. To me, the (neural) map has 
blots that most people will easily read in the GIMP 2.10 interface as 
easily recognizable information.


The app manager in Mint 20 will only install GIMP 2.10 -- and 
 has only a button for a flatpack of 
GIMP 2.10


GIMP 2.8 is available to install from the app manager in Mint 18.

For now, I can boot a drive that's fully set up in Mint 18 with GIMP 
2.8. I can use that for as long 

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Version 2.8.16

[Elle Stone]

Hi Kenny,

In case Alex's suggestion to activate the legacy theme doesn't actually 
fix enough of the differences between "new gimp" and "old gimp", another 
possibility might be to install VirtualBox in your newest version of 
Mint, and then install in a virtual machine the last version of Mint 
that will install and run GIMP 2.8.


Maybe you've already considered using a virtual machine, but if not, 
VirtualBox does allow to open/export/save files back and forth between 
the virtual machine's and real machine's hard drives. Once everything is 
running properly, make a backup copy of the virtual machine 
configuration files and especially the VDI (virtual disk image) in case 
the one you use every day somehow gets corrupted.


VirtualBox can be set up to run seamlessly inside the host Linux 
installation. I haven't used VirtualBox in several years, but back when 
I did use it regularly, it worked flawlessly to allow running an old 
operating system and software. I transferred that virtual machine 
through quite a few hardware and operating system changes, and it always 
worked like a charm.


I did find a pre-made, downloadable virtual machine for Mint 19:
https://www.linuxvmimages.com/images/virtualbox/
https://www.linuxvmimages.com/images/linuxmint-19/

Maybe somewhere there is a pre-made image for Mint 18 if Mint 19 won't 
work. But if you can install an operating system on bare metal, 
installing the same operating system in a virtual machine involves just 
about the exact same procedure - the difficult part is setting 
everything up to get to the point of actually being able to start 
installing the selected operating system.


Fortunately the VirtualBox forums are pretty good, or at least they used 
to be. Also there used to be (and probably still are) a lot of "how 
to's" on the internet, but at least in the past the "how to's"  were 
outdated almost as soon as they were written as VirtualBox itself was 
changing rapidly. So it's necessary to make sure the "how to" applies to 
the more recent versions of VirtualBox.


Probably the Mint forums could help, and the Arch Linux documentation 
always seem to have good, up-to-date "how tos" that often apply to other 
versions of Linux.


Best regards,
Elle


On 9/4/20 8:01 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-user-list wrote:

But Kenny,

You do not have to go back to 2.8 to get back the old user interface.

'Edit > Preferences > Interface > Theme / Icon Theme' will give you
legacy options.

Alex

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 2:46 AM Kenny Mann  wrote:


I don't have the skills to compile GIMP from 


The new interface in GIMP 2.10 is a problem somewhat unique to me. I have a 
neurological disorder. Navigating anything -- walking to the grocery store and 
back, traveling by trains, buses, airplanes, sometimes even finding the kitchen 
in my house -- is dependent on life-long-learned tricks that are based in 
objective visible familiarity. This neural disorder is worsening.

After using Photoshop since v. 2.2, I've been using GIMP 2.8 in Linux Mint 17 and 18 
for years. I work in GIMP 2.8 for hours every day. Samples: 
 No prob.

The threshold for gaining use of GIMP 2.10 would take unknown weeks of mostly 
failure, due to the lack of neural mapping I have for the interface. Read: It 
looks only similar to anyplace I've ever been and it's a place I have no 
readable map for. To me, the (neural) map has blots that most people will 
easily read in the GIMP 2.10 interface as easily recognizable information.

The app manager in Mint 20 will only install GIMP 2.10 -- and 
 has only a button for a flatpack of GIMP 2.10

GIMP 2.8 is available to install from the app manager in Mint 18.

For now, I can boot a drive that's fully set up in Mint 18 with GIMP 2.8. I can 
use that for as long as it hasn't gotten corrupted on my computer. I can do a 
fresh install of Mint 18 for as long as that version is supported. I'd like to 
get ahead on having a fresh OS install. Becoming cognizant of GIMP 2.10 would 
be a big delay. At my age, that's real iffy.

I've been doing okay with Mint 20 -- having spent weeks making the Cinnamon 
version appear as much like Mint 18 Cinnamon as possible.

Which will hold on longer -- Mint 18/GIMP 2.8 or me? Should I spend that time 
mapping-out a new territory or do I get to keep working along the road that has 
what I need to recognize where I am?

Legacy is something that app developers have a long harsh history of overlooking. 
(Among others, I once worked closely with Apple Newton developers, for instance. 
 May Steve rest in peace.) Viable available legacy is important. We're 
all legacy, sooner or later.


On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 3:03 PM Alexandre Prokoudine 
 wrote:


On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 1:00 AM Kenny Mann wrote:


Why is GIMP 2.8.16 not available?


Source code: 

Re: [Gimp-user] Unintended post

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 05 September 2020 02:48:48 Mark Sandridge via gimp-user-list 
wrote:

> Earlier yesterday I thought I was sharing an article with my wife
> about a black man who had undergone 6 trials, sentenced to death row,
> and was eventually freed by the U.S. Supreme Court after being locked
> up for 23 years.  Somehow it got sent to GIMP users.  So if you got
> it, my apologies.  I'm not going crazy.  I have absolutely no idea how
> this happened.
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

That pretty well explains it.
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Re: [Gimp-user] Unintended post

[Akash Rao via gimp-user-list]

yeah that was an amazing read on a linux forum :)
instantly startling ... i thought he was using gimp!

On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 at 12:19, Mark Sandridge via gimp-user-list <
gimp-user-list@gnome.org> wrote:

> Earlier yesterday I thought I was sharing an article with my wife about a
> black man who had undergone 6 trials, sentenced to death row, and was
> eventually freed by the U.S. Supreme Court after being locked up for 23
> years.  Somehow it got sent to GIMP users.  So if you got it, my
> apologies.  I'm not going crazy.  I have absolutely no idea how this
> happened.
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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[Gimp-user] Unintended post

[Mark Sandridge via gimp-user-list]

Earlier yesterday I thought I was sharing an article with my wife about a black 
man who had undergone 6 trials, sentenced to death row, and was eventually 
freed by the U.S. Supreme Court after being locked up for 23 years.  Somehow it 
got sent to GIMP users.  So if you got it, my apologies.  I'm not going crazy.  
I have absolutely no idea how this happened.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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