Re: [Gimp-user] Export to pdf

2019-05-27 Thread Konrad Bauersachs

Hi Dwain,

my only intention for printing was to have a "first sight" on a printout 
of my script to make layout corretions,
not to get a first-class product on high qualitiy paper. (not on a 115g 
/ m² paper :-)
I told my printer beforehand what I'm  wanting but he finally surprised 
me with with an exorbital price.

But at least I negotiated and paid for the low-price-version.

I just wrote to the forum to inform others that choosing "automatic" 
text may cause unexpeted high-end-costs


Have a fine day!

Konrad

Am 19.05.2019 um 16:34 schrieb Dwain Alford:

hi konrad,
2 euros a page for a manuscript isn't so bad. what would the price 
have been if the printer used four colors instead of one? were there 
any color images (photos, graphs, etc)? if there were color images as 
well as text set to black, then the color increased the price and also 
caused a double print session, one (plate) for the color and one 
(plate) for the text. btw, did you ask for an estimate on the cost of 
the job when you took the manuscript to the printer? finally, in most 
software, the text color default is automatic. maybe you might want to 
check your text color settings before your next printing job and get 
an estimate before the job is printed. that way, there are no 
surprises on your end.


scribus sets the output to cmyk when you set the color tab in the pdf 
export to print. the screen / web is for screen use or printing with 
an inkjet printer. as i mentioned to uwe, your commercial printer will 
help you if you ask. it is to the their benefit to help you work 
within their workflow.


cheers,
dwain

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 7:25 AM Konrad Bauersachs 
mailto:konrad.bauersa...@t-online.de>> 
wrote:


Hi Uwe,

I am not familiar with Scribus. But if you create a pdf  there
could be
a problem:
Please take care that the text in your script is marked "black"
and NOT
"automatically".
If text is "black" only the black toner / ink is used.
"Automatically"
means that
black is mixed together with cmyk. I almost had a heart attack
when my
copy-shop
demanded about 200 Euros for  a pdf text-manuscript of 400 pages.

Best regards

Konrad


Am 12.05.2019 um 23:26 schrieb Dwain Alford via gimp-user-list:
> uwe, et. al.,
> one final thought. your commercial printer can help you work more
> proficiently with them, all you have to do is ask. be sure to
subscribe to
> the scribus mailing list. there is an active community of users
along with
> the developers ready to help resolve design problems with
accurate how-to
> information, just like on this list.
>
> best,
> dwain
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 11:36 PM Uwe Saßnowski
mailto:uwesassnow...@web.de>> wrote:
>
>> Hello Jehan and Dwain,
>>
>> I thank you very much for your helpful answeres! All this makes
realy
>> sense. I now started to work with Scribus. To be honest I had
some program
>> crashes (I think because of my unknowingness in the first steps
:)) and
>> some color fields are difficult to design. But all in all it is
easy to
>> handle. You are right that this seems to be the correct program
to make our
>> print material. I made some test pdf's and it looks realy good.
It will
>> take some time to be on the same point where I was with gimp. I
hope that
>> our printer shop accept the pdf, but I have a good feeling,
they are
>> professional. I look forward to my first print. Thank you
again! Nice to
>> have such professional help!
>>
>>
>> With best regards,
>> Uwe
>> Am 10.05.2019 um 13:19 schrieb Dwain Alford:
>>
>> john and uwe,
>> here, here. i agree whole-heartedly. gimp is a raster (pixel) based
>> program while inkscape is a vector (number) based program which
produces
>> "smooth" outlines. scribus is a page layout program that
handles the job of
>> combining raster images, vector images and text into a neat
package that a
>> good print shop can execute a quality finished product of your
design.
>>
>> scribus exports directly to pdf and produces a cmyk file that
is "print
>> ready". design tools are just that, tools. would use a screw
driver to try
>> and pry a nail from a board? you would choose the appropriate
tool for the
>> job, correct? even though gimp can be used to design a page,
inkscape is a
>> better choice of the two. however, even though inkscape is a
good program
>> to use for page design, scribus is better. scrib

Re: [Gimp-user] Export to pdf

2019-05-19 Thread Konrad Bauersachs

Hi Uwe,

I am not familiar with Scribus. But if you create a pdf  there could be 
a problem:
Please take care that the text in your script is marked "black" and NOT 
"automatically".
If text is "black" only the black toner / ink is used. "Automatically" 
means that
black is mixed together with cmyk. I almost had a heart attack when my 
copy-shop

demanded about 200 Euros for  a pdf text-manuscript of 400 pages.

Best regards

Konrad


Am 12.05.2019 um 23:26 schrieb Dwain Alford via gimp-user-list:

uwe, et. al.,
one final thought. your commercial printer can help you work more
proficiently with them, all you have to do is ask. be sure to subscribe to
the scribus mailing list. there is an active community of users along with
the developers ready to help resolve design problems with accurate how-to
information, just like on this list.

best,
dwain

On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 11:36 PM Uwe Saßnowski  wrote:


Hello Jehan and Dwain,

I thank you very much for your helpful answeres! All this makes realy
sense. I now started to work with Scribus. To be honest I had some program
crashes (I think because of my unknowingness in the first steps :)) and
some color fields are difficult to design. But all in all it is easy to
handle. You are right that this seems to be the correct program to make our
print material. I made some test pdf's and it looks realy good. It will
take some time to be on the same point where I was with gimp. I hope that
our printer shop accept the pdf, but I have a good feeling, they are
professional. I look forward to my first print. Thank you again! Nice to
have such professional help!


With best regards,
Uwe
Am 10.05.2019 um 13:19 schrieb Dwain Alford:

john and uwe,
here, here. i agree whole-heartedly. gimp is a raster (pixel) based
program while inkscape is a vector (number) based program which produces
"smooth" outlines. scribus is a page layout program that handles the job of
combining raster images, vector images and text into a neat package that a
good print shop can execute a quality finished product of your design.

scribus exports directly to pdf and produces a cmyk file that is "print
ready". design tools are just that, tools. would use a screw driver to try
and pry a nail from a board? you would choose the appropriate tool for the
job, correct? even though gimp can be used to design a page, inkscape is a
better choice of the two. however, even though inkscape is a good program
to use for page design, scribus is better. scribus will allow you to import
text from an open document format (open office or libreoffice); it will
also allow you to import a .svg (scaleable vector graphic) image or an
adobe illustrator image. however, i have found that certain illy files
after illustrator 9 will not import. but be not dismayed, illustrator will
convert your image to the .svg format for importation.

for my work flow, i use a raster editor (gimp, photoshop, etc.) to size,
color correct, etc. photographs; i use a vector editor (inkscape,
illustrator, corel draw, etc.) to produce and size vector drawings and
usually export to the .tif format (tif files contain more information than
jpeg or png files - most commercial print shops prefer tif files for this
reason); and i use a page layout program (scribus, indesign, quark express,
etc.) to put the design elements together for the purpose of producing a
print ready pdf file that produces a quality finished product.

i need to mention that "properly" sizing a raster image is most important.
most commercial printers use a certain image resolution for different types
of paper and the "use" of the image. for instance, a fine art print would
be printed at 175 dpi while a newsprint image would be printed at 75-80
dpi. all this depends on the paper used for the job. i usually use 300 dpi
for raster images and size the image according to the size i want to
produce on the page. most vector images are either 300 or 600 dpi,
depending on the program i use to produce them.

scribus will allow you to draw a container for an image and the program
can size a large or small image to the container, but a 72 dpi image
enlarged by this process will produce an ugly final image on the paper.
there are some commercial printers that cannot print a scribus pdf file.
since adobe is the "industry standard" software they calibrate their
printers to adobe. small print shops use corel draw as their standard
software. in this case, you can provide a native file with accompanying
fonts in the file for printing. for most jobs where i use corel draw, i
will convert text to curves so i don't have to provide fonts to the
printer. and don't assume a printer knows how to print from a pdf. i have
run across one that didn't understand that he didn't have to import my pdf
into draw to print it. i guess he didn't know he could print from a pdf
viewer to his chosen printer. but i digress. a page layout program is also
a type setter. you can kern letters and paragraphs for "readability". i'm