Re: [BUG] Colon in remote urls

2016-12-12 Thread Klaus Ethgen
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Hi,

Am Mo den 12. Dez 2016 um 12:03 schrieb Johannes Schindelin:
> On Sun, 11 Dec 2016, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
> > Am Sa den 10. Dez 2016 um 19:18 schrieb Johannes Schindelin:
> > > On Sat, 10 Dec 2016, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
> > > > Am Fr den  9. Dez 2016 um 22:32 schrieb Johannes Sixt:
> > > > > There are too many systems out there that use a backslash in path 
> > > > > names. I
> > > > > don't think it is wise to use it also as the quoting character.
> > > > Well, the minority, I believe. And only the minority where the command
> > > > line git is used anywhere.
> > > Please provide evidence for such bold assumptions.
> > How is it "bold" to see that the majority of widows users does not use
> > or even like command line tools.
> 
> First of all, it is "Windows users", not "widows users", unless, of
> course, you want to discuss things that are completely inappropriate for
> this list.

Sorry to have a typo in my response.

> Second, you still did not back up your claim with anything resembling
> evidence, instead just reiterating your beliefs. That is not good enough.

Well, my evidence is what I seen with many windows users in the past. I
have no link or something like that. I just shared that observation.

> Third, my experience contradicts your beliefs rather violently.

So we have two different observations. Good. Have no problem with that.

[...]
> Now let's look at your claim that Windows users do not use the
> command-line. The mere existence of posh-git (Powershell bindings for Git)
> is already a contradiction to that claim.

Is that the same git tools or is it a separate implementation?

[Proof of many downloads and other]

Proofs accepted. They do not match my observations but ok.

> Fourth, even if Windows users were the minority, and even if Windows users
> were not using the command-line, which are claims soundly refuted by the
> evidence I presented above, the fact alone that you are talking about
> putting a group of people at a disadvantage based merely on your belief
> that they are in a minority should not inform us, the Git developers, on
> any kind of policy decision.
> 
> We will not intentionally break Git usage, or make Git usage hard, for
> a specific group of Git users, unless there are technical reasons to
> do that. Demographic reasons do not count.

Sorry, but I was posting my answer to the comment of preferring not to
allow ":" in prefer of using "\" for quoting. I never wanted to attack
you. It was just a response... And I do not remember attacking you
personally to style me "bold".

Currently the source of that all was, that push to pathes with ":" did
break in the current version. I did not ask for implementing something
instead of something different. I just ask for fixing of a regression.

Moreover, as you might know, windows users are more affected by that bug
as they have a colon in every absolute path. Nevertheless I had that
problem on linux but with a map to a windows share.

For more, I have to agree with Philip, that this is a bit off topic. So
please stop taking single words on the personal level. Please stay on
the technical level. My english is to bad to go to personal level
discussions. And I don't want to spend time to personal or (as you
tried) feminism discussions.

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [BUG] Colon in remote urls

2016-12-11 Thread Klaus Ethgen
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Hi,

Am Sa den 10. Dez 2016 um 19:18 schrieb Johannes Schindelin:
> On Sat, 10 Dec 2016, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
> > Am Fr den  9. Dez 2016 um 22:32 schrieb Johannes Sixt:
> > > There are too many systems out there that use a backslash in path names. I
> > > don't think it is wise to use it also as the quoting character.
> > Well, the minority, I believe. And only the minority where the command
> > line git is used anywhere.
> 
> Please provide evidence for such bold assumptions.

How is it "bold" to see that the majority of widows users does not use
or even like command line tools. And as git is command line tool (most
of them), users does use third party tools instead of the original.

I know companies where the "developers" doesn't even know of the
existent of a git command line use. They look with owe when they see
that I use a shell to use git.

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [BUG] Colon in remote urls

2016-12-10 Thread Klaus Ethgen
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Am Sa den 10. Dez 2016 um 11:26 schrieb Jeff King:
> On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 10:41:33AM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
> 
> > Am Sa den 10. Dez 2016 um  9:26 schrieb Jeff King:
> > > Yeah, I picked it arbitrarily as the common quoting character, but I
> > > agree it probably makes backwards compatibility (and general usability
> > > when you have to double-backslash each instance) pretty gross on
> > > Windows.
> > 
> > Well, I don't know of many people using the original git on windows.
> > Most of them using some graphical third-party tools.
> 
> I laid out options for addressing the problem elsewhere, but I want to
> make clear that this line of reasoning is not likely to get any traction
> here. Git for Windows is a non-trivial part of the user base, and we do
> care about avoiding regressions there.

I value that.

I just wanted to point out what my observations are and too I don't want
to see that windows stuff (what is the minority in this case) will get
more attention or more priority as stuff on linux (which pretty much is
the majority, I believe). Don't get me wrong, I see them both as
important.

And even on windows there are pathes with colon in it. (read c:\...,
d:\...)

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [BUG] Colon in remote urls

2016-12-10 Thread Klaus Ethgen
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Hi,

Am Sa den 10. Dez 2016 um 11:24 schrieb Jeff King:
> > A colon a perfectly allowed character in POSIX filesystems.
> 
> Sure, it's allowed, but it will cause problems due to other syntactic
> conventions.  Try putting "/usr/path:with:colons" into your $PATH
> variable, for instance.

True.

> Try rsyncing "xxx:yyy.git" somewhere.

Only a problem when the part before the colon has no directory limiter
(/) in it. And even then there is ways to work around that limitation.

And in this case, it is pretty good documented. As I told, I never
heared of such limitation in git commands.

> Git does have heuristics for figuring out the difference between
> "host:repo.git" as an SSH remote versus a local path, but they're not
> foolproof.

Well, that is the reason why I first tried to solve it via file://...

Note, I have no problem with it, if that char has to be qouted somehow;
if it is clearly documented. But also then, the handling should be
consistent. In git (in this version) it is not. Pull works without
problems but push dosn't.

> > Moreover, it was no problem before and was introduced as a problem just
> > in that version. Even more, a pull (and so a clone I believe) of such a
> > path is absolutely ok. Just the push fails.
> 
> Sort of. This has always been a problem with the variables Junio
> mentioned. The change in v2.11 is that the alternates subsystem is being
> used in some cases where it wasn't before, which is surfacing this
> limitation in more places.

- -v please. I didn't get it with that alternate stuff in push.

A link to some man page is ok too.

> > > directory, i.e. GIT_OBJECT_QUARANTINE_DIRECTORY, whose value is
> > > added without splitting to the list of alternate object stores, and
> > > the quarantine codepath can export that instead.
> > 
> > I didn't get it, why is there a need to split? I mean, it is not
> > possible to push to two locations at the same time, so why is there
> > splitting at all?
> 
> Because the new quarantine feature[1] is built on top of the existing
> alternates mechanism, which can have several sources.

I'll clone the repo and read about, thanks for the pointer.

I even have to find out about that alternates mechanism and what it has
to do with push but not with pull.

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [BUG] Colon in remote urls

2016-12-10 Thread Klaus Ethgen
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Am Sa den 10. Dez 2016 um  9:26 schrieb Jeff King:
> Yeah, I picked it arbitrarily as the common quoting character, but I
> agree it probably makes backwards compatibility (and general usability
> when you have to double-backslash each instance) pretty gross on
> Windows.

Well, I don't know of many people using the original git on windows.
Most of them using some graphical third-party tools.

The main git suite is most often used on linux where a colon is a valid
character For example using /mnt/c: as mount path for windows file
systems or /bla/foo/dated_repository_2016-12-10_12:00.git for dated and
timed repositories.

My btrfs snapshot dir looks like:
   ~snapshot> l -gGhN
   [...]
   drwxr-x--x 1 296 2016-07-30T13:55 daily_2016-12-10_00:00:01.270213478
   drwxr-x--x 1 296 2016-07-30T13:55 hourly_2016-12-10_05:00:01.372037552
   [...]

Compared to the backslash, although it is a perfect legal character in
POSIX file systems, I do not know any use of it.

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [BUG] Colon in remote urls

2016-12-10 Thread Klaus Ethgen
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Am Fr den  9. Dez 2016 um 22:32 schrieb Johannes Sixt:
> There are too many systems out there that use a backslash in path names. I
> don't think it is wise to use it also as the quoting character.

Well, the minority, I believe. And only the minority where the command
line git is used anywhere.

But for the majority of OS, where the command line git is in use
(instead of graphically third party git tools) is perfect known for
backslash as escaping character. However, don't forget that a backslash
could also be part of the file name.

Regads
   Klaus
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Re: [BUG] Colon in remote urls

2016-12-10 Thread Klaus Ethgen
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Hello,

Am Fr den  9. Dez 2016 um 20:07 schrieb Junio C Hamano:
> Jeff King <p...@peff.net> writes:
> > (One other option is to just declare that the quarantine feature doesn't
> > work with colons in the pathname, but stop turning it on by default. I'm
> > not sure I like that, though).
> 
> I think we long time ago in 2005 have declared that a colon in a
> directory name would not work for Git repositories because of things
> like GIT_CEILING_DIRECTORIES, GIT_ALTERNATE_OBJECT_DIRECTORIES; so I
> do not think we terribly mind that direction.

That is the first I hear and I really wonder about.

A colon a perfectly allowed character in POSIX filesystems.

Moreover, it was no problem before and was introduced as a problem just
in that version. Even more, a pull (and so a clone I believe) of such a
path is absolutely ok. Just the push fails.

> > Here's a rough idea of what the quoting solution could look like. It
> > should make your case work, but I'm not sure what we want to do about
> > backwards-compatibility, if anything.
> 
> Yes, obviously it robs from those with backslash in their pathnames
> to please those with colons; we've never catered to the latter, so I
> am not sure if the trade-off is worth it.

As I quote above, a colon is perfect common in POSIX filesystems. A
backslash is at least uncommon and always needed to quote as it, most
often, has special meaning to os/shell.

I cannot see why a tool (as git is) should decide what characters are
"bad" and what are "good". If the filesystem beneath supports it...

By the way, I didn't find anywhere in git documentation that there are
"bad" chars around.

> I can see how adding a new environment variable could work, though.
> A naive way would be to add GIT_ALT_OBJ_DIRS that uses your quoting
> when splitting its elements, give it precedence over the existing
> one (or allow to use both and take union as the set of alternate
> object stores) and make sure that the codepaths we use internally
> uses the new variable.  But if the quarantine codepath will stay to
> be the only user of this mechanism (and I strongly suspect that will
> be the case), the new environment could just be pointing at a single
> directory, i.e. GIT_OBJECT_QUARANTINE_DIRECTORY, whose value is
> added without splitting to the list of alternate object stores, and
> the quarantine codepath can export that instead.

I didn't get it, why is there a need to split? I mean, it is not
possible to push to two locations at the same time, so why is there
splitting at all?

Regards
   Klaus
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[BUG] Colon in remote urls

2016-12-09 Thread Klaus Ethgen
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Hello,

I have some repositories where I have a colon in the (local) url for a
remote. That was no problem until now but with 2.11.0, I see the
following problem:
   ~> git push
   Counting objects: 11, done.
   Delta compression using up to 8 threads.
   Compressing objects: 100% (10/10), done.
   Writing objects: 100% (11/11), 1.26 KiB | 0 bytes/s, done.
   Total 11 (delta 7), reused 0 (delta 0)
   remote: error: object directory /home/xxx does not exist; check 
.git/objects/info/alternates.
   remote: error: object directory yyy.git/objects does not exist; check 
.git/objects/info/alternates.
   remote: fatal: unresolved deltas left after unpacking
   error: unpack failed: unpack-objects abnormal exit
   To /home/xxx:yyy.git
! [remote rejected] master -> master (unpacker error)
   error: failed to push some refs to '/home/xxx:yyy.git'

Prepending the path with "file://" does not help.

It seems that the new git version splits the url at ":" which ends in
two incorrect paths.

Pull seems tho work well currently.

Regards
   Klaus

Ps. I am not subscribet to the mailing list, so please keep me in Cc.
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Klaus Ethgen   http://www.ethgen.ch/
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