[gitorious] Re: Reporting abuse

2014-10-03 Thread Ethan Eldridge
On Friday, October 3, 2014 10:43:29 PM UTC-4, Michael Reilly wrote:
 After github closed the gamersgate repository for TOS violation, they 
 migrated to gitorious.
 
 https://gitorious.org/gamergate/gamergate/source/1998bc086a38aa7f4507c42ed944d8bb1a4f89eb:
 
 https://gitorious.org/gamergate/gamergate/source/ba751c3a3dedde6f3c3676d3a5da19ce0eb43a2e:Operation%20Dig%20Dig%20Dig
 
 Essentially, the entire repository revolves around finding people of interest 
 for doxxing. After github closed the repo the employee responsible has been 
 targeted as well, and his personal info has been partially compromised.
 
 This repo also seems to violate gitorious's TOS. So I would urge you to deal 
 with this matter.
 
 Thanks.


First off, a boycott is not harassment, it is the consumers choice to make 
their decision to take their dollar somewhere else. In order to do this wisely 
they need to know both sides of the story. They can read the original gamers 
are dead posts for one side, they can also read articles in support of 
GamerGate to round out their knowledge. The repository is a source of 
information. Nothing more, nothing less.

Dig dig dig does single people out for research. Because GamerGate supporters 
believes that there are people who have engaged in collusion and corruption, if 
you were looking for people who were racist or sexist, would you not tell other 
people who they were and say: maybe we should look into this?. This is the 
same situation, dig dig dig calls for researching through public information 
and does not endorse or request any doxxing or illegal activities to obtain 
information. There is nothing nefarious about this operation.

 
Operation Disrespectful Nod singles out people yes, because they are the 
representatives of their companies. This is common sense, if you want to talk 
to a company you need to know whom to talk to. Putting their names out there is 
nothing different than finding it on the contact pages of their respectful 
sites. They are not targets, they are the contact point for their company. If 
you were to contact a group you did not agree with, wouldn't you do the same? 
And spread the information if you wanted more people to share your voice? Which 
encourages being polite and voicing your concerns in a reasonable way? Also 
this is not a spam campaign, this is a consumer uproar. There is nothing 
illegal about encouraging people to voice their opinions, this is what leaflet 
and grassroots campaign do all the time. GreenPeace hands out leaflets, we hand 
out links.
 
Twitter Flooding Instructions.md is a NOT walkthrough for creating sockpuppet 
accounts. It is a guide to creating a twitter account for those who do not have 
one, or who do not want to associate their realname with an account because 
they are afraid of retribution. It is not about sockpuppets it is about 
protecting yourself through anonymity.
 
The repository does not incite threats, nor violence, not spam. You are wrong 
(IMO) and trying to remove speech and content which offends you, we. or at 
least I, live in America where speech is free and debate and polite 
disagreements benefit everyone by allowing civil discourse to educate both 
parties on differing views.
 
Where does the article violate the terms of service? Specific examples please. 
As someone who contributes to the repo I would like to know what needs to be 
edit-ed if it is illegal in some way. Thank you 
 

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Re: [gitorious] Re: Reporting abuse

2014-10-03 Thread Ethan Eldridge
I asked for specific examples of the violations, not a blanket statement
that it all does.

Let's take this page as an example then
https://gitorious.org/gamergate/gamergate/source/1998bc086a38aa7f4507c42ed944d8bb1a4f89eb:Operation%20Disrespectful%20Nod/conduct%20guide.md,
Please show me

- The defamation on this page.
- Show me the threats or inciting for violence
- Show me the violations of privacy, As far as I know, all emails on this
page were found in public sources such as this
http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-customer-service-and-jeff-bezos-emails-2013-10

I'm happy to admit I'm wrong if you can show me areas where there are
problems. And I'm happy to remove content that is actually a problem. But I
can't do anything about it if you say: everything is wrong and don't point
to actual examples.


On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Michael Reilly omnipotentent...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Friday, October 3, 2014 10:53:31 PM UTC-4, Ethan Eldridge wrote:
  On Friday, October 3, 2014 10:43:29 PM UTC-4, Michael Reilly wrote:
   After github closed the gamersgate repository for TOS violation, they
 migrated to gitorious.
  
  
 https://gitorious.org/gamergate/gamergate/source/1998bc086a38aa7f4507c42ed944d8bb1a4f89eb
 :
  
  
 https://gitorious.org/gamergate/gamergate/source/ba751c3a3dedde6f3c3676d3a5da19ce0eb43a2e:Operation%20Dig%20Dig%20Dig
  
   Essentially, the entire repository revolves around finding people of
 interest for doxxing. After github closed the repo the employee responsible
 has been targeted as well, and his personal info has been partially
 compromised.
  
   This repo also seems to violate gitorious's TOS. So I would urge you
 to deal with this matter.
  
   Thanks.
 
 
  First off, a boycott is not harassment, it is the consumers choice to
 make their decision to take their dollar somewhere else. In order to do
 this wisely they need to know both sides of the story. They can read the
 original gamers are dead posts for one side, they can also read articles in
 support of GamerGate to round out their knowledge. The repository is a
 source of information. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
  Dig dig dig does single people out for research. Because GamerGate
 supporters believes that there are people who have engaged in collusion and
 corruption, if you were looking for people who were racist or sexist, would
 you not tell other people who they were and say: maybe we should look into
 this?. This is the same situation, dig dig dig calls for researching
 through public information and does not endorse or request any doxxing or
 illegal activities to obtain information. There is nothing nefarious about
 this operation.
 
 
  Operation Disrespectful Nod singles out people yes, because they are the
 representatives of their companies. This is common sense, if you want to
 talk to a company you need to know whom to talk to. Putting their names out
 there is nothing different than finding it on the contact pages of their
 respectful sites. They are not targets, they are the contact point for
 their company. If you were to contact a group you did not agree with,
 wouldn't you do the same? And spread the information if you wanted more
 people to share your voice? Which encourages being polite and voicing your
 concerns in a reasonable way? Also this is not a spam campaign, this is a
 consumer uproar. There is nothing illegal about encouraging people to voice
 their opinions, this is what leaflet and grassroots campaign do all the
 time. GreenPeace hands out leaflets, we hand out links.
 
  Twitter Flooding Instructions.md is a NOT walkthrough for creating
 sockpuppet accounts. It is a guide to creating a twitter account for those
 who do not have one, or who do not want to associate their realname with an
 account because they are afraid of retribution. It is not about sockpuppets
 it is about protecting yourself through anonymity.
 
  The repository does not incite threats, nor violence, not spam. You are
 wrong (IMO) and trying to remove speech and content which offends you, we.
 or at least I, live in America where speech is free and debate and polite
 disagreements benefit everyone by allowing civil discourse to educate both
 parties on differing views.
 
  Where does the article violate the terms of service? Specific examples
 please. As someone who contributes to the repo I would like to know what
 needs to be edit-ed if it is illegal in some way. Thank you

 It violates this clause of the TOS:

 the Content is not defamatory, does not contain threats or incite violence
 towards individuals or entities, and does not violate the privacy or
 publicity rights of any third party;

 on pretty much any page you care to name.

 Just because you think it's right or justifiable doesn't make it so.

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