RE: Proposal to incorporate Haskell.org

2011-05-11 Thread Simon Peyton-Jones
Dear haskell.org committee

Great stuff.  Thanks for getting this together.

Things I wondered about are:
- who will run the haskell.org entity?
- how are they chosen?  do they have fixed terms? 
- how are they accountable to the Haskell Community
  (eg an a brief annual report would be good; 
 since money is involved, accounts perhaps)

None of these look like being problems to me, but I think we should have a page 
that sets out these matters -- a kind of constitution for haskell.org, if you 
like -- as part of the process.

Simon

| -Original Message-
| From: libraries-boun...@haskell.org [mailto:libraries-boun...@haskell.org] On 
Behalf
| Of Don Stewart
| Sent: 10 May 2011 23:45
| To: hask...@haskell.org; Haskell Libraries; GHC Users Mailing List; 
haskell-cafe;
| commit...@haskell.org
| Subject: Proposal to incorporate Haskell.org
| 
| Hello everyone.
| 
| The haskell.org committee[1], in the interest of the long-term stability
| of the open source Haskell community infrastructure, has decided to
| incorporate haskell.org as a legal entity. This email outlines our
| recommendation, and seeks input from the community on this decision.
| 
| The committee's proposal is that haskell.org incorporate as an entity
| under the Software Freedom Conservancy umbrella organization (the same group
| that Darcs joined recently):
| 
| http://sfconservancy.org/
| 
| If we proceed with this move, haskell.org will be a legal entity, and
| registered as a non-profit, allowing us to more directly accept
| (US tax-deductible) donations, and to invest in assets that benefit the
| Haskell open source community.
| 
| We welcome your feedback on the proposal attached below.
| 
| -- Don Stewart (on behalf of the Haskell.org committee)
| 
| 
| 
| 
| 
| = A proposal for the incorporation of Haskell.org =
| 
| In recent years, haskell.org has started to receive assets, e.g. money from
| Google Summer Of Code, donations for Hackathons, and a Sparc machine for use 
in
| GHC development. We have also started spending this money: in particular, on
| hosting haskell.org itself. There is also interest in running fundraising
| drives for specific things such as Hackathon sponsorship and hosting fees.
| 
| However, haskell.org doesn't currently exist as a legal entity, meaning that
| these assets have had to be held on our behalf by other entities, such as
| Galois and various universities. This leads to tricky situations, with no-one
| being sure who should decide how the haskell.org assets can be used.
| 
| To solve these problems, we propose that haskell.org applies to become a 
member
| project of the Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC)
| http://conservancy.softwarefreedom.org/. The SFC is a non-profit 
organization
| that provides free financial and administrative services to open source
| projects. Additionally, it has 501(c)(3) status, meaning donations from the US
| are tax-deductible. The SFC would hold haskell.org's money and other assets,
| and would be able to accept donations on behalf of haskell.org.
| 
| The haskell.org committee, as described here [2], will make decisions on
| spending assets and other decisions related to governing the non-profit.
| 
| 
| Before proceeding, we are inviting input from the community in the form
| of specific objections or queries regarding the plan.
| 
| We've tried to answer some of the most likely questions:
| 
| Q: Does this mean that my Haskell project must now be covered by a
|  copyleft licence such as GPL?
| A: No, but Haskell projects using haskell.org resource should use an
| Open Source licence
|  http://www.opensource.org/licenses/alphabetical.
| 
| Q: Will it still be possible to use community.h.o to host
|  non-open-source material, such as academic papers?
| A: An overall minority of such content, as is the current situation, is
| not a problem.
| 
| Q: Will it still be possible to have job ads on the haskell.org mailing
| lists and website?
| A: Yes.
| 
| Q: Will this affect our ability to host the Haskell Symposium
| http://www.haskell.org/haskell-symposium/  and Industrial Haskell
| Grouphttp://industry.haskell.org/  webpages within haskell.org?
| A: No.
| 
| Q: What will be the relationship between haskell.org and other
| organizations such as the Haskell Symposium and Industrial Haskell
| Group?
| A: Those organisations will continue to exist as separate entities.
| 
| Q: If an umbrella non-profit organisation The Haskell Foundation was
| created, would haskell.org be able to join it?
| A: Yes. It's likely that in such a scenario, the Haskell Foundation
| would become the owner of the haskell.org domain name, with the cost
| divided between the members. The entity that is part of the SFC would
| be renamed community.haskell.org in order to avoid confusion.
| 
| [1]: 

Re: Proposal to incorporate Haskell.org

2011-05-11 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Don Stewart wrote:
 The haskell.org committee... has decided to
 incorporate haskell.org as a legal entity. This email outlines our
 recommendation, and seeks input from the community on this decision.

Thanks, good news! And thanks for posting to multiple
lists for maximum public notification to the community.

Can the committee now designate a single list for further discussion
please?

Thanks,
Yitz

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Re: Proposal to incorporate Haskell.org

2011-05-11 Thread Ganesh Sittampalam
On 11/05/2011 10:33, Yitzchak Gale wrote:
 Don Stewart wrote:
 The haskell.org committee... has decided to
 incorporate haskell.org as a legal entity. This email outlines our
 recommendation, and seeks input from the community on this decision.
 
 Thanks, good news! And thanks for posting to multiple
 lists for maximum public notification to the community.
 
 Can the committee now designate a single list for further discussion
 please?

Sorry about the noise. I think haskell-cafe is the best choice for
further discussion.

Please, everyone send further followups to any message in this thread to
just haskell-c...@haskell.org and commit...@haskell.org, or just to
commit...@haskell.org if you want to respond privately.

Ganesh
(haskell.org committee member)

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entries in profile results

2011-05-11 Thread 山本和彦
Hello,

I'm taking profile for my program with -auto-all -caf-all. I found
that I don't understand what entries means.

An IO function in my program should be called N times but entries
shows 3N. I inserted putStrLn in that function and ensured that it was
called just N times.

Please tell me what entries mean exactly.

--Kazu

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