Re: [Gluster-devel] volfile change

2015-07-23 Thread Gaurav Garg
Hi Emmanuel,

ssl.dh-param (not yet committed) seems to restart the daemon while
ssl.cipher-list does not.

ss.dh-param is the option that you are adding additionally based on your 
requirement in current gluster code. 

So we need to check your patch first then only we can say how brick is 
restarting. As of now restarting brick is not plausible after executing volume 
set command.

Thanx,
~Gaurav


- Original Message -
From: Emmanuel Dreyfus m...@netbsd.org
To: Gaurav Garg gg...@redhat.com
Cc: gluster-devel@gluster.org
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 11:08:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Gluster-devel] volfile change

Gaurav Garg gg...@redhat.com wrote:

 could you tell me the name of the option which did brick restart?



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Re: [Gluster-devel] [Gluster-users] Gentle Reminder.. (Was: GlusterFS Documentation Improvements - An Update)

2015-07-23 Thread Humble Devassy Chirammal

This is still confising me a little. The presentations from the
Mediawiki instance have been put in the glusterdocs/presentations/
directory. If we should put them on the website instead, they should not
be part of glusterdocs. However, there is currently no page that I can
find on the website that lists the different presentations. The only
link that I can find is this one:

  http://gluster.readthedocs.org/en/latest/presentations/

Is that going to be replaced with an explanation (or pointer) on how to
get the presentation on the website?



Well, we are yet to finalize on it.  If we can render it on website we will
do the same. Otherwise it will be a pointer from website.


--Humble


On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 2:00 AM, Niels de Vos nde...@redhat.com wrote:

 On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 03:51:59PM +0530, Anjana Sriram wrote:
  Hello All,
 
  Thank you for the feedback and suggestions provided on the GlusterFS
  Documentation improvements. We have analyzed them and here's a proposal
 to
  address them:
 
  We plan to use three independent repos for our projects:
 
 ... snip
 
  /Static Documentation/: Currently, Mediawiki is read-only. We have ported
  most of the documents from Mediawiki. There few pages which do not
 qualify
  to be placed in the above three repos for example, Presentations  which
 will
  be considered to be placed on the website.

 This is still confising me a little. The presentations from the
 Mediawiki instance have been put in the glusterdocs/presentations/
 directory. If we should put them on the website instead, they should not
 be part of glusterdocs. However, there is currently no page that I can
 find on the website that lists the different presentations. The only
 link that I can find is this one:

   http://gluster.readthedocs.org/en/latest/presentations/

 Is that going to be replaced with an explanation (or pointer) on how to
 get the presentation on the website?

 Thanks,
 Niels


 
  Your thoughts and feedback are the major influences to our constant
 endeavor
  to make the community documentation better, effective, and useful. Please
  revert with your thoughts and feedback on the above proposal outlined by
  29th July 2015.
 
  Regards,
  Humble, Shravan, and Anjana
 
  On 06/22/2015 05:24 PM, Shravan Chandrashekar wrote:
  Hello all,
  
  We would like to finalize on the documentation contribution workflow by
 26th June 2015.
  As we have not yet received any comments/suggestion, we will confirm
 the recommend workflow after 26th June.
  
  
  Kindly provide your suggestion on how we can improve this workflow.
  
  Currently, mediawiki is read-only. We have ported most of the documents
 from mediawiki to the new repository [1].
  If you find any document which is not ported, feel free to raise this
 by opening an issue in [2] or if you would
  like to port your documents, send a pull request.
  
  
  
  [1] https://github.com/gluster/glusterdocs
  [2] https://github.com/gluster/glusterdocs/issues
  
  Regards,
  Shravan
  
  - Original Message -
  From: Humble Devassy Chirammal humble.deva...@gmail.com
  To: gluster-us...@gluster.org List gluster-us...@gluster.org,
 Gluster Devel gluster-devel@gluster.org
  Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:48:16 PM
  Subject: [Gluster-devel] GlusterFS Documentation Improvements - An
 Update
  
  
  Hello all,
  
  The GlusterFS documentation team is constantly working to improve the
 quality, findability, and usefulness of its documentation. Our goal is to
 increase community contribution, remove barriers that discourage
 contribution and give you the help you need, when and where you need it. As
 part of this strategy, we’ve just rolled out the revamped GlusterFS
 Documentation: gluster.readthedocs.org
  
  We started by curating content from various sources including
 gluster.org static HTML documentation, various blog posts and the
 Community wiki. We used readthedocs service to host the documentation and
 mkdocs to convert the Markdown source files to HTML pages. We also put our
 thought into classifying the documentation based on their content:
  
  
  
   * Quick Start Guide : A headstart guide for the beginners.
  
  
   * Installation Guide : Step by step instructions to install
 GlusterFS.
  
  
   * Administration Guide : Container for for all administrative
 actions.
  
  
   * Developer Guide : Container for all development related aspects.
  
  
   * Upgrade Guide : Contains guides to upgrade from older versions
 of GlusterFS.
  
  
   * Features : Container for all the features of GlusterFS
 introduced in various versions.
  
  
   * GlusterFS Tools : Contains information about the tools used in
 GlusterFS.
  
  
   * Troubleshooting Guide : Container for basic troubleshooting and
 debugging guides.
  
  
   * Images : Container for images (in .jpg or .png format) that are
 present inline the documentation pages.
  
  Doing so, we gain these benefits:
  
  
  
   * Version based 

[Gluster-devel] integer options in gluster volume set help

2015-07-23 Thread Emmanuel Dreyfus
gluster volume set help shows option default values. I note that the
default_value field is a char * and where the option is integer, it seems the
practice is to duplicate the value as a string.

Why not use a macro? Indeed it is a bit tricky, but it removes the risk of
having obsolete values: Here is the definition:
#define GF_ITOA(s) _GF_ITOA(s)
#define _GF_ITOA(s) #s


And usage:
#define DEFAULT_VERIFY_DEPTH 1
(...)
   { .key   = {ssl-cert-depth},
 .type  = GF_OPTION_TYPE_INT, 
 .default_value = GF_ITOA(DEFAULT_VERIFY_DEPTH),
 .description = Maximum certificate-chain depth.  If zero, the 
  peer's certificate itself must be in the local 
  certificate list.  Otherwise, there may be up to N 
  signing certificates between the peer's and the 
  local list.  Ignored if SSL is not enabled.
 },


Reference: https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/cpp/Stringification.html

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[Gluster-devel] Review request for http://review.gluster.org/#/c/10262

2015-07-23 Thread Atin Mukherjee
Folks,

Currently in our vme table we have few option names which are redundant
across different translators. For eg: cache-size, this option is same
across io-cache and quick-read xlator. Now if an user wants to have two
different values set, we don't have a mechanism for it. What I have done
here is to use unique names for these redundant options.

Reviews is highly appreciated and I do think this will be a good
candidate for 3.7.3.
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Re: [Gluster-devel] [Gluster-users] Gentle Reminder.. (Was: GlusterFS Documentation Improvements - An Update)

2015-07-23 Thread Niels de Vos
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 03:51:59PM +0530, Anjana Sriram wrote:
 Hello All,
 
 Thank you for the feedback and suggestions provided on the GlusterFS
 Documentation improvements. We have analyzed them and here's a proposal to
 address them:
 
 We plan to use three independent repos for our projects:
 
... snip
 
 /Static Documentation/: Currently, Mediawiki is read-only. We have ported
 most of the documents from Mediawiki. There few pages which do not qualify
 to be placed in the above three repos for example, Presentations  which will
 be considered to be placed on the website.

This is still confising me a little. The presentations from the
Mediawiki instance have been put in the glusterdocs/presentations/
directory. If we should put them on the website instead, they should not
be part of glusterdocs. However, there is currently no page that I can
find on the website that lists the different presentations. The only
link that I can find is this one:

  http://gluster.readthedocs.org/en/latest/presentations/

Is that going to be replaced with an explanation (or pointer) on how to
get the presentation on the website?

Thanks,
Niels


 
 Your thoughts and feedback are the major influences to our constant endeavor
 to make the community documentation better, effective, and useful. Please
 revert with your thoughts and feedback on the above proposal outlined by
 29th July 2015.
 
 Regards,
 Humble, Shravan, and Anjana
 
 On 06/22/2015 05:24 PM, Shravan Chandrashekar wrote:
 Hello all,
 
 We would like to finalize on the documentation contribution workflow by 26th 
 June 2015.
 As we have not yet received any comments/suggestion, we will confirm the 
 recommend workflow after 26th June.
 
 
 Kindly provide your suggestion on how we can improve this workflow.
 
 Currently, mediawiki is read-only. We have ported most of the documents from 
 mediawiki to the new repository [1].
 If you find any document which is not ported, feel free to raise this by 
 opening an issue in [2] or if you would
 like to port your documents, send a pull request.
 
 
 
 [1] https://github.com/gluster/glusterdocs
 [2] https://github.com/gluster/glusterdocs/issues
 
 Regards,
 Shravan
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Humble Devassy Chirammal humble.deva...@gmail.com
 To: gluster-us...@gluster.org List gluster-us...@gluster.org, Gluster 
 Devel gluster-devel@gluster.org
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:48:16 PM
 Subject: [Gluster-devel] GlusterFS Documentation Improvements - An Update
 
 
 Hello all,
 
 The GlusterFS documentation team is constantly working to improve the 
 quality, findability, and usefulness of its documentation. Our goal is to 
 increase community contribution, remove barriers that discourage 
 contribution and give you the help you need, when and where you need it. As 
 part of this strategy, we’ve just rolled out the revamped GlusterFS 
 Documentation: gluster.readthedocs.org
 
 We started by curating content from various sources including gluster.org 
 static HTML documentation, various blog posts and the Community wiki. We 
 used readthedocs service to host the documentation and mkdocs to convert the 
 Markdown source files to HTML pages. We also put our thought into 
 classifying the documentation based on their content:
 
 
 
  * Quick Start Guide : A headstart guide for the beginners.
 
 
  * Installation Guide : Step by step instructions to install GlusterFS.
 
 
  * Administration Guide : Container for for all administrative actions.
 
 
  * Developer Guide : Container for all development related aspects.
 
 
  * Upgrade Guide : Contains guides to upgrade from older versions of 
  GlusterFS.
 
 
  * Features : Container for all the features of GlusterFS introduced in 
  various versions.
 
 
  * GlusterFS Tools : Contains information about the tools used in 
  GlusterFS.
 
 
  * Troubleshooting Guide : Container for basic troubleshooting and 
  debugging guides.
 
 
  * Images : Container for images (in .jpg or .png format) that are 
  present inline the documentation pages.
 
 Doing so, we gain these benefits:
 
 
 
  * Version based browsable documentation
 
 
  * More targeted content
 
 
  * Less duplication
 
 
  * Faster updates
 
 Whats changing for community members?
 
 A very simplified contribution workflow.
 
 - How to Contribute?
 
 Contributing to the documentation requires a github account. To edit on 
 github, fork the repository (see top-right of the screen, under your 
 username). You will then be able to make changes easily. Once done, you can 
 create a pull request and get the changes reviewed and merged into the 
 official repository.
 With this simplified workflow, the documentation is no longer maintained in 
 gluster/glusterfs/docs directory but it has a new elevated status in the 
 form of a new project: gluster/glusterdocs ( 
 https://github.com/gluster/glusterdocs) and currently this project is being 
 maintained by Anjana 

Re: [Gluster-devel] volfile change

2015-07-23 Thread Emmanuel Dreyfus
Gaurav Garg gg...@redhat.com wrote:

 could you tell me the name of the option which did brick restart?

ssl.dh-param (not yet committed) seems to restart the daemon while
ssl.cipher-list does not.

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Re: [Gluster-devel] Iusses with Random read/write

2015-07-23 Thread Benjamin Turner
I run alot of random IO tests with gluster and it has really come a long
way in the 3.7 release.  What version are you running on?  I have a couple
of suggestions:

-Run on 3.7 if you are not already.
-Run the IOZone test you are running on the back end without gluster to
verify that your HW meets your perf needs.  SSDs really scream with random
IO if your current HW won't meet your needs.
-When you are running tests watch top -H on both clients and servers, look
for any threads hitting 100%
-If you see hot threads bump up the server.event-threads and/or
client.event-threads from the default of 2

HTH!

-b


On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 3:04 AM, Susant Palai spa...@redhat.com wrote:

 ++CCing gluster-devel to have more eye on this problem.

 Susant

 - Original Message -
  From: Subrata Ghosh subrata.gh...@ericsson.com
  To: Susant Palai spa...@redhat.com (spa...@redhat.com) 
 spa...@redhat.com, Vijay Bellur vbel...@redhat.com
  (vbel...@redhat.com) vbel...@redhat.com
  Cc: Subrata Ghosh subrata.gh...@ericsson.com
  Sent: Sunday, 19 July, 2015 7:57:28 PM
  Subject: Iusses with Random read/write
 
  Hi Vijay/Prashant,
 
  How you are  you :).
 
  We need your  immediate  help / suggestion  to meet our random I/IO
  performance metrics.
  Currently we have performance issues with random read/write - our basic
  requirement 20 MB/sec for random I/O.
 
  We tried with both iozone and fio, received almost same ( random I/O)
  performance which is not meeting our fundamental I/IO requirements.
 
  Our use case is as below.
 
  Application running on different cards Writes/Reads (random) continuous
  files to the volume comprising with storage belonging from different
 cards
  in the distributed system, where replica presence  across cards and
  applications are using non-local storages.
  We have verified and identified  the bottleneck mostly on Gluster Client
 side
  inside the application, however gluster server to server I/O speed looks
  enough good. Performance tuning on gluster server side would not
 expected to
  help.
 
  We also cross verified checked using NFS client we are getting far better
  performance, but we cannot use NFS client /libgfapi because of use case
  limitation ( brick failures cases etc..)
 
  Please throw some lights or thoughts to improve gluster client to
 achieve 
  20 MB/Secs
 
  Observations:
 
  Fio:
 
 
  lease find the test results of Random write  read in 2 APPs scenarios.
 
  Scenario
 
  APP_1
 
  APP_2
 
  File size
 
  No of AMC's
 
  Random-Write
 
  3.06  MB/s
 
  3.02 MB/s
 
  100 MB
 
  4
 
  Random-Read
 
  8.1 MB/s
 
  8.4 MB/s
 
  100 MB
 
  4
 
 
 
  Iozone:
 
  ./iozone -R -l 1 -u 1 -r 4k -s 2G -F /home/cdr/f1 | tee -a
  /tmp/iozone_results.txt 
 
 
  APP 1
 
  APP2
 
  File Size : 2GB
 
  File size : 2GB
 
  Record size = 4 Kbytes
 
  Record size = 4 Kbytes
 
  Output is in Kbytes/sec
 
  Output is in Kbytes/sec
 
 
 
 
  Initial write41061.78
 
  Initial write41167.36
 
 
  Rewrite40395.64
 
  Rewrite40810.41
 
 
  Read   262685.69
 
  Read   269644.62
 
 
  Re-read  263751.66
 
  Re-read   270760.62
 
 
  Reverse Read   27715.72
 
  Reverse Read28604.22
 
 
  Stride read   83776.44
 
  Stride read84347.88
 
 
  Random read16239.74 (15.8 MB/s )
 
  Random read15815.94  (15.4 MB/s )
 
 
  Mixed workload16260.95
 
  Mixed workload15787.55
 
 
  Random write 3356.57 (3.3 MB/s )
 
  Random write 3365.17 ( 3.3 MB/s)
 
 
  Pwrite40914.55
 
  Pwrite40692.34
 
 
  Pread   260613.83
 
  Pread   269850.59
 
 
  Fwrite40412.40
 
  Fwrite40369.78
 
 
  Fread   261506.61
 
  Fread   267142.41
 
 
 
  Some of the info on performance testing is at
 
 http://www.gluster.org/community/documentation/index.php/Performance_Testing
  Also pls check iozone limitations listed there.
 
  WARNING: random I/O testing in iozone is very restricted by iozone
  constraint that it must randomly read then randomly write the entire
 file!
  This is not what we want - instead it should randomly read/write for some
  fraction of file size or time duration, allowing us to spread out more on
  the disk while not waiting too long for test to finish. This is why fio
  (below) is the preferred test tool for random I/O workloads.
 
 
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Re: [Gluster-devel] Iusses with Random read/write

2015-07-23 Thread Susant Palai
++CCing gluster-devel to have more eye on this problem.

Susant

- Original Message -
 From: Subrata Ghosh subrata.gh...@ericsson.com
 To: Susant Palai spa...@redhat.com (spa...@redhat.com) 
 spa...@redhat.com, Vijay Bellur vbel...@redhat.com
 (vbel...@redhat.com) vbel...@redhat.com
 Cc: Subrata Ghosh subrata.gh...@ericsson.com
 Sent: Sunday, 19 July, 2015 7:57:28 PM
 Subject: Iusses with Random read/write
 
 Hi Vijay/Prashant,
 
 How you are  you :).
 
 We need your  immediate  help / suggestion  to meet our random I/IO
 performance metrics.
 Currently we have performance issues with random read/write - our basic
 requirement 20 MB/sec for random I/O.
 
 We tried with both iozone and fio, received almost same ( random I/O)
 performance which is not meeting our fundamental I/IO requirements.
 
 Our use case is as below.
 
 Application running on different cards Writes/Reads (random) continuous
 files to the volume comprising with storage belonging from different cards
 in the distributed system, where replica presence  across cards and
 applications are using non-local storages.
 We have verified and identified  the bottleneck mostly on Gluster Client side
 inside the application, however gluster server to server I/O speed looks
 enough good. Performance tuning on gluster server side would not expected to
 help.
 
 We also cross verified checked using NFS client we are getting far better
 performance, but we cannot use NFS client /libgfapi because of use case
 limitation ( brick failures cases etc..)
 
 Please throw some lights or thoughts to improve gluster client to achieve 
 20 MB/Secs
 
 Observations:
 
 Fio:
 
 
 lease find the test results of Random write  read in 2 APPs scenarios.
 
 Scenario
 
 APP_1
 
 APP_2
 
 File size
 
 No of AMC's
 
 Random-Write
 
 3.06  MB/s
 
 3.02 MB/s
 
 100 MB
 
 4
 
 Random-Read
 
 8.1 MB/s
 
 8.4 MB/s
 
 100 MB
 
 4
 
 
 
 Iozone:
 
 ./iozone -R -l 1 -u 1 -r 4k -s 2G -F /home/cdr/f1 | tee -a
 /tmp/iozone_results.txt 
 
 
 APP 1
 
 APP2
 
 File Size : 2GB
 
 File size : 2GB
 
 Record size = 4 Kbytes
 
 Record size = 4 Kbytes
 
 Output is in Kbytes/sec
 
 Output is in Kbytes/sec
 
 
 
 
 Initial write41061.78
 
 Initial write41167.36
 
 
 Rewrite40395.64
 
 Rewrite40810.41
 
 
 Read   262685.69
 
 Read   269644.62
 
 
 Re-read  263751.66
 
 Re-read   270760.62
 
 
 Reverse Read   27715.72
 
 Reverse Read28604.22
 
 
 Stride read   83776.44
 
 Stride read84347.88
 
 
 Random read16239.74 (15.8 MB/s )
 
 Random read15815.94  (15.4 MB/s )
 
 
 Mixed workload16260.95
 
 Mixed workload15787.55
 
 
 Random write 3356.57 (3.3 MB/s )
 
 Random write 3365.17 ( 3.3 MB/s)
 
 
 Pwrite40914.55
 
 Pwrite40692.34
 
 
 Pread   260613.83
 
 Pread   269850.59
 
 
 Fwrite40412.40
 
 Fwrite40369.78
 
 
 Fread   261506.61
 
 Fread   267142.41
 
 
 
 Some of the info on performance testing is at
 http://www.gluster.org/community/documentation/index.php/Performance_Testing
 Also pls check iozone limitations listed there.
 
 WARNING: random I/O testing in iozone is very restricted by iozone
 constraint that it must randomly read then randomly write the entire file!
 This is not what we want - instead it should randomly read/write for some
 fraction of file size or time duration, allowing us to spread out more on
 the disk while not waiting too long for test to finish. This is why fio
 (below) is the preferred test tool for random I/O workloads.
 
 
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Re: [Gluster-devel] spurious failure with test-case ./tests/basic/tier/tier.t

2015-07-23 Thread Joseph Fernandes
Will have a look

- Original Message -
From: Krutika Dhananjay kdhan...@redhat.com
To: Dan Lambright dlamb...@redhat.com
Cc: gluster-devel@gluster.org
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 10:59:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Gluster-devel] spurious failure   withtest-case   
./tests/basic/tier/tier.t

This test failed twice on my patch even after retrigger: 
https://build.gluster.org/job/rackspace-regression-2GB-triggered/12726/consoleFull
 
https://build.gluster.org/job/rackspace-regression-2GB-triggered/12739/consoleFull
 

Is this a new issue or the one that was originally reported? 

-Krutika 



From: Dan Lambright dlamb...@redhat.com 
To: Raghavendra Bhat rab...@redhat.com 
Cc: gluster-devel@gluster.org 
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 6:07:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [Gluster-devel] spurious failure with test-case 
./tests/basic/tier/tier.t 



- Original Message - 
 From: Raghavendra Bhat rab...@redhat.com 
 To: gluster-devel@gluster.org 
 Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 6:37:37 AM 
 Subject: Re: [Gluster-devel] spurious failure with test-case 
 ./tests/basic/tier/tier.t 
 
 On 06/26/2015 04:00 PM, Ravishankar N wrote: 
  
  
  On 06/26/2015 03:57 PM, Vijaikumar M wrote: 
  Hi 
  
  Upstream regression failure with test-case ./tests/basic/tier/tier.t 
  
  My patch# 11315 regression failed twice with 
  test-case./tests/basic/tier/tier.t. Anyone seeing this issue with 
  other patches? 
  
  
  Yes, one of my patches failed today too: 
  http://build.gluster.org/job/rackspace-regression-2GB-triggered/11461/consoleFull
   

Will take a look. Thanks. 

  
  -Ravi 
 
 Even I had faced failure in tier.t couple of times. 
 
 Regards, 
 Raghavendra Bhat 
 
  http://build.gluster.org/job/rackspace-regression-2GB-triggered/11396/consoleFull
   
  
  http://build.gluster.org/job/rackspace-regression-2GB-triggered/11456/consoleFull
   
  
  
  
  Thanks, 
  Vijay 
  
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[Gluster-devel] volfile change

2015-07-23 Thread Emmanuel Dreyfus
Hello

While testing, I noticed that some gluster volume set operations
caused a brick restart whil other did not. Comparing the code
around both options, I see no difference. 

How does it decides to restart a daemon?

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[Gluster-devel] Update on glusterfs-3.7.3 release

2015-07-23 Thread Kaushal M
Hi All,

I'm going to be the release-manager for GlusterFS-3.7.3. I hope to do
the release on Monday 27th July, if everything goes well.

As it stands now, there are about 25 changes that are under review on
the release-3.7 branch [1]. I request the maintainers to of the
different components to look into this list, and make sure that any
patch you absolutely want in glusterfs-3.7.3 gets merged by Monday.

If anyone has a change that is not present in this list, but wants it
to be in for 3.7.3, please let the respective maintainer and me know
about it, so that we can act on it quickly.

Thanks,
Kaushal

[1]: https://review.gluster.org/#/q/is:open+branch:release-3.7
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Re: [Gluster-devel] volfile change

2015-07-23 Thread Gaurav Garg
Hi Emmanuel,

Restarting a already running daemon is based on restarting volume, restarting 
glusterd, change in topology of volfile for eg: removing/adding bricks,
by performing these thing it should not restart brick, it should only restart 
daemon's.

could you tell me the name of the option which did brick restart?? 

Thanx,
Gaurav

- Original Message -
From: Emmanuel Dreyfus m...@netbsd.org
To: gluster-devel@gluster.org
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 1:42:45 PM
Subject: [Gluster-devel] volfile change

Hello

While testing, I noticed that some gluster volume set operations
caused a brick restart whil other did not. Comparing the code
around both options, I see no difference. 

How does it decides to restart a daemon?

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Emmanuel Dreyfus
m...@netbsd.org
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