Re: [Gluster-devel] Gluster Sharding and Geo-replication
On 09/03/2015 02:43 AM, Krutika Dhananjay wrote: *From: *"Shyam" <srang...@redhat.com> *To: *"Krutika Dhananjay" <kdhan...@redhat.com> *Cc: *"Aravinda" <avish...@redhat.com>, "Gluster Devel" <gluster-devel@gluster.org> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 2, 2015 11:13:55 PM *Subject: *Re: [Gluster-devel] Gluster Sharding and Geo-replication On 09/02/2015 10:47 AM, Krutika Dhananjay wrote: > > > > > *From: *"Shyam" <srang...@redhat.com> > *To: *"Aravinda" <avish...@redhat.com>, "Gluster Devel" > <gluster-devel@gluster.org> > *Sent: *Wednesday, September 2, 2015 8:09:55 PM > *Subject: *Re: [Gluster-devel] Gluster Sharding and Geo-replication > > On 09/02/2015 03:12 AM, Aravinda wrote: > > Geo-replication and Sharding Team today discussed about the approach > > to make Sharding aware Geo-replication. Details are as below > > > > Participants: Aravinda, Kotresh, Krutika, Rahul Hinduja, Vijay Bellur > > > > - Both Master and Slave Volumes should be Sharded Volumes with same > >configurations. > > If I am not mistaken, geo-rep supports replicating to a non-gluster > local FS at the slave end. Is this correct? If so, would this > limitation > not make that problematic? > > When you state *same configuration*, I assume you mean the sharding > configuration, not the volume graph, right? > > That is correct. The only requirement is for the slave to have shard > translator (for, someone needs to present aggregated view of the file to > the READers on the slave). > Also the shard-block-size needs to be kept same between master and > slave. Rest of the configuration (like the number of subvols of DHT/AFR) > can vary across master and slave. Do we need to have the sharded block size the same? As I assume the file carries an xattr that contains the size it is sharded with (trusted.glusterfs.shard.block-size), so if this is synced across, it would do. If this is true, what it would mean is that "a sharded volume needs a shard supported slave to ge-rep to". Yep. Even I feel it should probably not be necessary to enforce same-shard-size-everywhere as long as shard translator on the slave takes care not to further "shard" the individual shards gsyncD would write to, on the slave volume. This is especially true if different files/images/vdisks on the master volume are associated with different block sizes. This logic has to be built into the shard translator based on parameters (client-pid, parent directory of the file being written to). What this means is that shard-block-size attribute on the slave would essentially be a don't-care parameter. I need to give all this some more thought though. Understood thanks. -Krutika > > -Krutika > > > > > - In Changelog record changes related to Sharded files also. Just > like > >any regular files. > > - Sharding should allow Geo-rep to list/read/write Sharding internal > >Xattrs if Client PID is gsyncd(-1) > > - Sharding should allow read/write of Sharded files(that is in > .shards > >directory) if Client PID is GSYNCD > > - Sharding should return actual file instead of returning the > >aggregated content when the Main file is requested(Client PID > >GSYNCD) > > > > For example, a file f1 is created with GFID G1. > > > > When the file grows it gets sharded into chunks(say 5 chunks). > > > > f1 G1 > > .shards/G1.1 G2 > > .shards/G1.2 G3 > > .shards/G1.3 G4 > > .shards/G1.4 G5 > > > > In Changelog, this is recorded as 5 different files as below > > > > CREATE G1 f1 > > DATA G1 > > META G1 > > CREATE G2 PGS/G1.1 > > DATA G2 > > META G1 > > CREATE G3 PGS/G1.2 > > DATA G3 > > META G1 > &g
Re: [Gluster-devel] Gluster Sharding and Geo-replication
- Original Message - > From: "Venky Shankar" <vshan...@redhat.com> > To: "Aravinda" <avish...@redhat.com> > Cc: "Shyam" <srang...@redhat.com>, "Krutika Dhananjay" <kdhan...@redhat.com>, > "Gluster Devel" <gluster-devel@gluster.org> > Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 8:29:37 AM > Subject: Re: [Gluster-devel] Gluster Sharding and Geo-replication > On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 11:39 PM, Aravinda <avish...@redhat.com> wrote: > > > > On 09/02/2015 11:13 PM, Shyam wrote: > >> > >> On 09/02/2015 10:47 AM, Krutika Dhananjay wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> *From: *"Shyam" <srang...@redhat.com> > >>> *To: *"Aravinda" <avish...@redhat.com>, "Gluster Devel" > >>> <gluster-devel@gluster.org> > >>> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 2, 2015 8:09:55 PM > >>> *Subject: *Re: [Gluster-devel] Gluster Sharding and Geo-replication > >>> > >>> On 09/02/2015 03:12 AM, Aravinda wrote: > >>> > Geo-replication and Sharding Team today discussed about the > >>> approach > >>> > to make Sharding aware Geo-replication. Details are as below > >>> > > >>> > Participants: Aravinda, Kotresh, Krutika, Rahul Hinduja, Vijay > >>> Bellur > >>> > > >>> > - Both Master and Slave Volumes should be Sharded Volumes with > >>> same > >>> > configurations. > >>> > >>> If I am not mistaken, geo-rep supports replicating to a non-gluster > >>> local FS at the slave end. Is this correct? If so, would this > >>> limitation > >>> not make that problematic? > >>> > >>> When you state *same configuration*, I assume you mean the sharding > >>> configuration, not the volume graph, right? > >>> > >>> That is correct. The only requirement is for the slave to have shard > >>> translator (for, someone needs to present aggregated view of the file to > >>> the READers on the slave). > >>> Also the shard-block-size needs to be kept same between master and > >>> slave. Rest of the configuration (like the number of subvols of DHT/AFR) > >>> can vary across master and slave. > >> > >> > >> Do we need to have the sharded block size the same? As I assume the file > >> carries an xattr that contains the size it is sharded with > >> (trusted.glusterfs.shard.block-size), so if this is synced across, it > >> would > >> do. If this is true, what it would mean is that "a sharded volume needs a > >> shard supported slave to ge-rep to". > > > > Yes. Number of bricks and replica count can be different. But sharded block > > size should be same. Only the first file will have > > xattr(trusted.glusterfs.shard.block-size), Geo-rep should sync this xattr > > also to Slave. Only Gsyncd can read/write the sharded chunks. Sharded Slave > > Volume is required to understand these chunks when read(non Gsyncd clients) > Even if this works I am very much is disagreement with this mechanism > of synchronization (not that I have a working solution in my head as > of now). Hi Venky, It is not apparent to me what issues you see with approach 2. If you could lay them out here, it would be helpful in taking the discussions further. -Krutika > > > >> > >>> > >>> -Krutika > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > - In Changelog record changes related to Sharded files also. Just > >>> like > >>> > any regular files. > >>> > - Sharding should allow Geo-rep to list/read/write Sharding > >>> internal > >>> > Xattrs if Client PID is gsyncd(-1) > >>> > - Sharding should allow read/write of Sharded files(that is in > >>> .shards > >>> > directory) if Client PID is GSYNCD > >>> > - Sharding should return actual file instead of returning the > >>> > aggregated content when the Main file is requested(Client PID > >>> > GSYNCD) > >>> > > >>> > For example, a file f1 is created with GFID G1. > >>> > > >>> > When the file grows it gets sharded into chunks(say 5 chunks). > >>> > > >>> > f1 G1 > >>> > .shards/G1.1 G2 > >>&g
Re: [Gluster-devel] Gluster Sharding and Geo-replication
> > Hi Venky, > > It is not apparent to me what issues you see with approach 2. If you could > lay them out here, it would be helpful in taking the discussions further. > > -Krutika > It's unclean (to me at least). Replicating shard sizes looks like *stitching* a filesystem by hand. What do you think? ___ Gluster-devel mailing list Gluster-devel@gluster.org http://www.gluster.org/mailman/listinfo/gluster-devel
Re: [Gluster-devel] Gluster Sharding and Geo-replication
On 09/03/2015 12:13 PM, Krutika Dhananjay wrote: *From: *"Shyam" <srang...@redhat.com> *To: *"Krutika Dhananjay" <kdhan...@redhat.com> *Cc: *"Aravinda" <avish...@redhat.com>, "Gluster Devel" <gluster-devel@gluster.org> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 2, 2015 11:13:55 PM *Subject: *Re: [Gluster-devel] Gluster Sharding and Geo-replication On 09/02/2015 10:47 AM, Krutika Dhananjay wrote: > > > > > *From: *"Shyam" <srang...@redhat.com> > *To: *"Aravinda" <avish...@redhat.com>, "Gluster Devel" > <gluster-devel@gluster.org> > *Sent: *Wednesday, September 2, 2015 8:09:55 PM > *Subject: *Re: [Gluster-devel] Gluster Sharding and Geo-replication > > On 09/02/2015 03:12 AM, Aravinda wrote: > > Geo-replication and Sharding Team today discussed about the approach > > to make Sharding aware Geo-replication. Details are as below > > > > Participants: Aravinda, Kotresh, Krutika, Rahul Hinduja, Vijay Bellur > > > > - Both Master and Slave Volumes should be Sharded Volumes with same > >configurations. > > If I am not mistaken, geo-rep supports replicating to a non-gluster > local FS at the slave end. Is this correct? If so, would this > limitation > not make that problematic? > > When you state *same configuration*, I assume you mean the sharding > configuration, not the volume graph, right? > > That is correct. The only requirement is for the slave to have shard > translator (for, someone needs to present aggregated view of the file to > the READers on the slave). > Also the shard-block-size needs to be kept same between master and > slave. Rest of the configuration (like the number of subvols of DHT/AFR) > can vary across master and slave. Do we need to have the sharded block size the same? As I assume the file carries an xattr that contains the size it is sharded with (trusted.glusterfs.shard.block-size), so if this is synced across, it would do. If this is true, what it would mean is that "a sharded volume needs a shard supported slave to ge-rep to". Yep. Even I feel it should probably not be necessary to enforce same-shard-size-everywhere as long as shard translator on the slave takes care not to further "shard" the individual shards gsyncD would write to, on the slave volume. This is especially true if different files/images/vdisks on the master volume are associated with different block sizes. This logic has to be built into the shard translator based on parameters (client-pid, parent directory of the file being written to). What this means is that shard-block-size attribute on the slave would essentially be a don't-care parameter. I need to give all this some more thought though. I think this may help with coping with changes in shard block size configuration in master. Otherwise, once user changes the shard block size in master, the slave will be affected. Are there any other shard volume options that if changed on master, would affect slave? How do we ensure master and slave are in sync w.r.t the shard configuration? -Krutika > > -Krutika > > > > > - In Changelog record changes related to Sharded files also. Just > like > >any regular files. > > - Sharding should allow Geo-rep to list/read/write Sharding internal > >Xattrs if Client PID is gsyncd(-1) > > - Sharding should allow read/write of Sharded files(that is in > .shards > >directory) if Client PID is GSYNCD > > - Sharding should return actual file instead of returning the > >aggregated content when the Main file is requested(Client PID > >GSYNCD) > > > > For example, a file f1 is created with GFID G1. > > > > When the file grows it gets sharded into chunks(say 5 chunks). > > > > f1 G1 > > .shards/G1.1 G2 > > .shards/G1.2 G3 > > .shards/G1.3 G4 > > .shards/G1.4 G5 > > > > In Changelog, this is recorded as 5 different files as below > > > > CREATE G1
Re: [Gluster-devel] Gluster Sharding and Geo-replication
- Original Message - > From: "Sahina Bose" <sab...@redhat.com> > To: "Krutika Dhananjay" <kdhan...@redhat.com>, "Shyam" <srang...@redhat.com> > Cc: "Gluster Devel" <gluster-devel@gluster.org> > Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 3:56:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Gluster-devel] Gluster Sharding and Geo-replication > On 09/03/2015 12:13 PM, Krutika Dhananjay wrote: > > - Original Message - > > > > From: "Shyam" <srang...@redhat.com> > > > > > > To: "Krutika Dhananjay" <kdhan...@redhat.com> > > > > > > Cc: "Aravinda" <avish...@redhat.com> , "Gluster Devel" > > > <gluster-devel@gluster.org> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 11:13:55 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Gluster-devel] Gluster Sharding and Geo-replication > > > > > > On 09/02/2015 10:47 AM, Krutika Dhananjay wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From: *"Shyam" <srang...@redhat.com> > > > > > > > *To: *"Aravinda" <avish...@redhat.com> , "Gluster Devel" > > > > > > > <gluster-devel@gluster.org> > > > > > > > *Sent: *Wednesday, September 2, 2015 8:09:55 PM > > > > > > > *Subject: *Re: [Gluster-devel] Gluster Sharding and Geo-replication > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 09/02/2015 03:12 AM, Aravinda wrote: > > > > > > > > Geo-replication and Sharding Team today discussed about the approach > > > > > > > > to make Sharding aware Geo-replication. Details are as below > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Participants: Aravinda, Kotresh, Krutika, Rahul Hinduja, Vijay Bellur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Both Master and Slave Volumes should be Sharded Volumes with same > > > > > > > > configurations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am not mistaken, geo-rep supports replicating to a non-gluster > > > > > > > local FS at the slave end. Is this correct? If so, would this > > > > > > > limitation > > > > > > > not make that problematic? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you state *same configuration*, I assume you mean the sharding > > > > > > > configuration, not the volume graph, right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is correct. The only requirement is for the slave to have shard > > > > > > > translator (for, someone needs to present aggregated view of the file > > > > to > > > > > > > the READers on the slave). > > > > > > > Also the shard-block-size needs to be kept same between master and > > > > > > > slave. Rest of the configuration (like the number of subvols of > > > > DHT/AFR) > > > > > > > can vary across master and slave. > > > > > > Do we need to have the sharded block size the same? As I assume the file > > > > > > carries an xattr that contains the size it is sharded with > > > > > > (trusted.glusterfs.shard.block-size), so if this is synced across, it > > > > > > would do. If this is true, what it would mean is that "a sharded volume > > > > > > needs a shard supported slave to ge-rep to". > > > > > Yep. Even I feel it should probably not be necessary to enforce > > same-shard-size-everywhere as long as shard translator on the slave takes > > care not to further "shard" the individual shards gsyncD would write to, on > > the slave volume. > > > This is especially true if different files/images/vdisks on the master > > volume > > are associated with different block sizes. > > > This logic has to be built into the shard translator based on parameters > > (client-pid, parent directory of the file being written to). > > > What this means is that shard-block-size attribute on the slave would > > essentially be a don't-care parameter. I need to give all this some more > > thou
Re: [Gluster-devel] Gluster Sharding and Geo-replication
Geo-replication and Sharding Team today discussed about the approach to make Sharding aware Geo-replication. Details are as below Participants: Aravinda, Kotresh, Krutika, Rahul Hinduja, Vijay Bellur - Both Master and Slave Volumes should be Sharded Volumes with same configurations. - In Changelog record changes related to Sharded files also. Just like any regular files. - Sharding should allow Geo-rep to list/read/write Sharding internal Xattrs if Client PID is gsyncd(-1) - Sharding should allow read/write of Sharded files(that is in .shards directory) if Client PID is GSYNCD - Sharding should return actual file instead of returning the aggregated content when the Main file is requested(Client PID GSYNCD) For example, a file f1 is created with GFID G1. When the file grows it gets sharded into chunks(say 5 chunks). f1 G1 .shards/G1.1 G2 .shards/G1.2 G3 .shards/G1.3 G4 .shards/G1.4 G5 In Changelog, this is recorded as 5 different files as below CREATE G1 f1 DATA G1 META G1 CREATE G2 PGS/G1.1 DATA G2 META G1 CREATE G3 PGS/G1.2 DATA G3 META G1 CREATE G4 PGS/G1.3 DATA G4 META G1 CREATE G5 PGS/G1.4 DATA G5 META G1 Where PGS is GFID of .shards directory. Geo-rep will create these files independently in Slave Volume and syncs Xattrs of G1. Data can be read only when all the chunks are synced to Slave Volume. Data can be read partially if main/first file and some of the chunks synced to Slave. Please add if I missed anything. C & S Welcome. regards Aravinda On 08/11/2015 04:36 PM, Aravinda wrote: Hi, We are thinking different approaches to add support in Geo-replication for Sharded Gluster Volumes[1] *Approach 1: Geo-rep: Sync Full file* - In Changelog only record main file details in the same brick where it is created - Record as DATA in Changelog whenever any addition/changes to the sharded file - Geo-rep rsync will do checksum as a full file from mount and syncs as new file - Slave side sharding is managed by Slave Volume *Approach 2: Geo-rep: Sync sharded file separately* - Geo-rep rsync will do checksum for sharded files only - Geo-rep syncs each sharded files independently as new files - [UNKNOWN] Sync internal xattrs(file size and block count) in the main sharded file to Slave Volume to maintain the same state as in Master. - Sharding translator to allow file creation under .shards dir for gsyncd. that is Parent GFID is .shards directory - If sharded files are modified during Geo-rep run may end up stale data in Slave. - Files on Slave Volume may not be readable unless all sharded files sync to Slave(Each bricks in Master independently sync files to slave) First approach looks more clean, but we have to analize the Rsync checksum performance on big files(Sharded in backend, accessed as one big file from rsync) Let us know your thoughts. Thanks Ref: [1] http://www.gluster.org/community/documentation/index.php/Features/sharding-xlator -- regards Aravinda ___ Gluster-devel mailing list Gluster-devel@gluster.org http://www.gluster.org/mailman/listinfo/gluster-devel ___ Gluster-devel mailing list Gluster-devel@gluster.org http://www.gluster.org/mailman/listinfo/gluster-devel
Re: [Gluster-devel] Gluster Sharding and Geo-replication
On 09/02/2015 08:22 PM, Venky Shankar wrote: On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Aravindawrote: Geo-replication and Sharding Team today discussed about the approach to make Sharding aware Geo-replication. Details are as below Participants: Aravinda, Kotresh, Krutika, Rahul Hinduja, Vijay Bellur - Both Master and Slave Volumes should be Sharded Volumes with same configurations. - In Changelog record changes related to Sharded files also. Just like any regular files. - Sharding should allow Geo-rep to list/read/write Sharding internal Xattrs if Client PID is gsyncd(-1) - Sharding should allow read/write of Sharded files(that is in .shards directory) if Client PID is GSYNCD - Sharding should return actual file instead of returning the aggregated content when the Main file is requested(Client PID GSYNCD) For example, a file f1 is created with GFID G1. When the file grows it gets sharded into chunks(say 5 chunks). f1 G1 .shards/G1.1 G2 .shards/G1.2 G3 .shards/G1.3 G4 .shards/G1.4 G5 In Changelog, this is recorded as 5 different files as below CREATE G1 f1 DATA G1 META G1 CREATE G2 PGS/G1.1 DATA G2 META G1 CREATE G3 PGS/G1.2 DATA G3 META G1 CREATE G4 PGS/G1.3 DATA G4 META G1 CREATE G5 PGS/G1.4 DATA G5 META G1 Where PGS is GFID of .shards directory. Geo-rep will create these files independently in Slave Volume and syncs Xattrs of G1. Data can be read only when all the chunks are synced to Slave Volume. Data can be read partially if main/first file and some of the chunks synced to Slave. So, before replicating data to the salve, all shards needs to be created there? No. each files will be synced independently. But for reading complete file all the shards should be present, else partial data is read. Please add if I missed anything. C & S Welcome. regards Aravinda On 08/11/2015 04:36 PM, Aravinda wrote: Hi, We are thinking different approaches to add support in Geo-replication for Sharded Gluster Volumes[1] Approach 1: Geo-rep: Sync Full file - In Changelog only record main file details in the same brick where it is created - Record as DATA in Changelog whenever any addition/changes to the sharded file - Geo-rep rsync will do checksum as a full file from mount and syncs as new file - Slave side sharding is managed by Slave Volume Approach 2: Geo-rep: Sync sharded file separately - Geo-rep rsync will do checksum for sharded files only - Geo-rep syncs each sharded files independently as new files - [UNKNOWN] Sync internal xattrs(file size and block count) in the main sharded file to Slave Volume to maintain the same state as in Master. - Sharding translator to allow file creation under .shards dir for gsyncd. that is Parent GFID is .shards directory - If sharded files are modified during Geo-rep run may end up stale data in Slave. - Files on Slave Volume may not be readable unless all sharded files sync to Slave(Each bricks in Master independently sync files to slave) First approach looks more clean, but we have to analize the Rsync checksum performance on big files(Sharded in backend, accessed as one big file from rsync) Let us know your thoughts. Thanks Ref: [1] http://www.gluster.org/community/documentation/index.php/Features/sharding-xlator -- regards Aravinda ___ Gluster-devel mailing list Gluster-devel@gluster.org http://www.gluster.org/mailman/listinfo/gluster-devel ___ Gluster-devel mailing list Gluster-devel@gluster.org http://www.gluster.org/mailman/listinfo/gluster-devel regards Aravinda ___ Gluster-devel mailing list Gluster-devel@gluster.org http://www.gluster.org/mailman/listinfo/gluster-devel
Re: [Gluster-devel] Gluster Sharding and Geo-replication
On 09/02/2015 10:47 AM, Krutika Dhananjay wrote: *From: *"Shyam" <srang...@redhat.com> *To: *"Aravinda" <avish...@redhat.com>, "Gluster Devel" <gluster-devel@gluster.org> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 2, 2015 8:09:55 PM *Subject: *Re: [Gluster-devel] Gluster Sharding and Geo-replication On 09/02/2015 03:12 AM, Aravinda wrote: > Geo-replication and Sharding Team today discussed about the approach > to make Sharding aware Geo-replication. Details are as below > > Participants: Aravinda, Kotresh, Krutika, Rahul Hinduja, Vijay Bellur > > - Both Master and Slave Volumes should be Sharded Volumes with same >configurations. If I am not mistaken, geo-rep supports replicating to a non-gluster local FS at the slave end. Is this correct? If so, would this limitation not make that problematic? When you state *same configuration*, I assume you mean the sharding configuration, not the volume graph, right? That is correct. The only requirement is for the slave to have shard translator (for, someone needs to present aggregated view of the file to the READers on the slave). Also the shard-block-size needs to be kept same between master and slave. Rest of the configuration (like the number of subvols of DHT/AFR) can vary across master and slave. Do we need to have the sharded block size the same? As I assume the file carries an xattr that contains the size it is sharded with (trusted.glusterfs.shard.block-size), so if this is synced across, it would do. If this is true, what it would mean is that "a sharded volume needs a shard supported slave to ge-rep to". -Krutika > - In Changelog record changes related to Sharded files also. Just like >any regular files. > - Sharding should allow Geo-rep to list/read/write Sharding internal >Xattrs if Client PID is gsyncd(-1) > - Sharding should allow read/write of Sharded files(that is in .shards >directory) if Client PID is GSYNCD > - Sharding should return actual file instead of returning the >aggregated content when the Main file is requested(Client PID >GSYNCD) > > For example, a file f1 is created with GFID G1. > > When the file grows it gets sharded into chunks(say 5 chunks). > > f1 G1 > .shards/G1.1 G2 > .shards/G1.2 G3 > .shards/G1.3 G4 > .shards/G1.4 G5 > > In Changelog, this is recorded as 5 different files as below > > CREATE G1 f1 > DATA G1 > META G1 > CREATE G2 PGS/G1.1 > DATA G2 > META G1 > CREATE G3 PGS/G1.2 > DATA G3 > META G1 > CREATE G4 PGS/G1.3 > DATA G4 > META G1 > CREATE G5 PGS/G1.4 > DATA G5 > META G1 > > Where PGS is GFID of .shards directory. > > Geo-rep will create these files independently in Slave Volume and > syncs Xattrs of G1. Data can be read only when all the chunks are > synced to Slave Volume. Data can be read partially if main/first file > and some of the chunks synced to Slave. > > Please add if I missed anything. C & S Welcome. > > regards > Aravinda > > On 08/11/2015 04:36 PM, Aravinda wrote: >> Hi, >> >> We are thinking different approaches to add support in Geo-replication >> for Sharded Gluster Volumes[1] >> >> *Approach 1: Geo-rep: Sync Full file* >>- In Changelog only record main file details in the same brick >> where it is created >>- Record as DATA in Changelog whenever any addition/changes to the >> sharded file >>- Geo-rep rsync will do checksum as a full file from mount and >> syncs as new file >>- Slave side sharding is managed by Slave Volume >> *Approach 2: Geo-rep: Sync sharded file separately* >>- Geo-rep rsync will do checksum for sharded files only >>- Geo-rep syncs each sharded files independently as new files >>- [UNKNOWN] Sync internal xattrs(file size and block count) in the >> main sharded file to Slave Volume to maintain the same state as in Master. >>- Sharding translator to allow file creation under .shards dir for >> gsyncd. that is Parent GFID is .shards directory >>- If sharded files are modified during Geo-rep run may end up stale &g
Re: [Gluster-devel] Gluster Sharding and Geo-replication
] On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 8:50 PM, Aravindawrote: > > On 09/02/2015 08:22 PM, Venky Shankar wrote: >> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Aravinda wrote: >>> >>> Geo-replication and Sharding Team today discussed about the approach >>> to make Sharding aware Geo-replication. Details are as below >>> >>> Participants: Aravinda, Kotresh, Krutika, Rahul Hinduja, Vijay Bellur >>> >>> - Both Master and Slave Volumes should be Sharded Volumes with same >>>configurations. >>> - In Changelog record changes related to Sharded files also. Just like >>>any regular files. >>> - Sharding should allow Geo-rep to list/read/write Sharding internal >>>Xattrs if Client PID is gsyncd(-1) >>> - Sharding should allow read/write of Sharded files(that is in .shards >>>directory) if Client PID is GSYNCD >>> - Sharding should return actual file instead of returning the >>>aggregated content when the Main file is requested(Client PID >>>GSYNCD) >>> >>> For example, a file f1 is created with GFID G1. >>> >>> When the file grows it gets sharded into chunks(say 5 chunks). >>> >>> f1 G1 >>> .shards/G1.1 G2 >>> .shards/G1.2 G3 >>> .shards/G1.3 G4 >>> .shards/G1.4 G5 >>> >>> In Changelog, this is recorded as 5 different files as below >>> >>> CREATE G1 f1 >>> DATA G1 >>> META G1 >>> CREATE G2 PGS/G1.1 >>> DATA G2 >>> META G1 >>> CREATE G3 PGS/G1.2 >>> DATA G3 >>> META G1 >>> CREATE G4 PGS/G1.3 >>> DATA G4 >>> META G1 >>> CREATE G5 PGS/G1.4 >>> DATA G5 >>> META G1 >>> >>> Where PGS is GFID of .shards directory. >>> >>> Geo-rep will create these files independently in Slave Volume and >>> syncs Xattrs of G1. Data can be read only when all the chunks are >>> synced to Slave Volume. Data can be read partially if main/first file >>> and some of the chunks synced to Slave. >> >> So, before replicating data to the salve, all shards needs to be created >> there? > > No. each files will be synced independently. But for reading complete file > all the shards should be present, else partial data is read. Oh yes. I figured that out a bit late. Option #2 is restrictive. Probably needs more thinking... > >> >>> Please add if I missed anything. C & S Welcome. >>> >>> regards >>> Aravinda >>> >>> On 08/11/2015 04:36 PM, Aravinda wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> We are thinking different approaches to add support in Geo-replication >>> for >>> Sharded Gluster Volumes[1] >>> >>> Approach 1: Geo-rep: Sync Full file >>> - In Changelog only record main file details in the same brick where >>> it >>> is created >>> - Record as DATA in Changelog whenever any addition/changes to the >>> sharded file >>> - Geo-rep rsync will do checksum as a full file from mount and syncs >>> as >>> new file >>> - Slave side sharding is managed by Slave Volume >>> >>> Approach 2: Geo-rep: Sync sharded file separately >>> - Geo-rep rsync will do checksum for sharded files only >>> - Geo-rep syncs each sharded files independently as new files >>> - [UNKNOWN] Sync internal xattrs(file size and block count) in the >>> main >>> sharded file to Slave Volume to maintain the same state as in Master. >>> - Sharding translator to allow file creation under .shards dir for >>> gsyncd. that is Parent GFID is .shards directory >>> - If sharded files are modified during Geo-rep run may end up stale >>> data >>> in Slave. >>> - Files on Slave Volume may not be readable unless all sharded files >>> sync >>> to Slave(Each bricks in Master independently sync files to slave) >>> >>> First approach looks more clean, but we have to analize the Rsync >>> checksum >>> performance on big files(Sharded in backend, accessed as one big file >>> from >>> rsync) >>> >>> Let us know your thoughts. Thanks >>> >>> Ref: >>> [1] >>> >>> http://www.gluster.org/community/documentation/index.php/Features/sharding-xlator >>> >>> -- >>> regards >>> Aravinda >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Gluster-devel mailing list >>> Gluster-devel@gluster.org >>> http://www.gluster.org/mailman/listinfo/gluster-devel >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Gluster-devel mailing list >>> Gluster-devel@gluster.org >>> http://www.gluster.org/mailman/listinfo/gluster-devel >>> > > regards > Aravinda > ___ Gluster-devel mailing list Gluster-devel@gluster.org http://www.gluster.org/mailman/listinfo/gluster-devel
Re: [Gluster-devel] Gluster Sharding and Geo-replication
On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 11:39 PM, Aravinda <avish...@redhat.com> wrote: > > On 09/02/2015 11:13 PM, Shyam wrote: >> >> On 09/02/2015 10:47 AM, Krutika Dhananjay wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *"Shyam" <srang...@redhat.com> >>> *To: *"Aravinda" <avish...@redhat.com>, "Gluster Devel" >>> <gluster-devel@gluster.org> >>> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 2, 2015 8:09:55 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [Gluster-devel] Gluster Sharding and Geo-replication >>> >>> On 09/02/2015 03:12 AM, Aravinda wrote: >>> > Geo-replication and Sharding Team today discussed about the >>> approach >>> > to make Sharding aware Geo-replication. Details are as below >>> > >>> > Participants: Aravinda, Kotresh, Krutika, Rahul Hinduja, Vijay >>> Bellur >>> > >>> > - Both Master and Slave Volumes should be Sharded Volumes with >>> same >>> >configurations. >>> >>> If I am not mistaken, geo-rep supports replicating to a non-gluster >>> local FS at the slave end. Is this correct? If so, would this >>> limitation >>> not make that problematic? >>> >>> When you state *same configuration*, I assume you mean the sharding >>> configuration, not the volume graph, right? >>> >>> That is correct. The only requirement is for the slave to have shard >>> translator (for, someone needs to present aggregated view of the file to >>> the READers on the slave). >>> Also the shard-block-size needs to be kept same between master and >>> slave. Rest of the configuration (like the number of subvols of DHT/AFR) >>> can vary across master and slave. >> >> >> Do we need to have the sharded block size the same? As I assume the file >> carries an xattr that contains the size it is sharded with >> (trusted.glusterfs.shard.block-size), so if this is synced across, it would >> do. If this is true, what it would mean is that "a sharded volume needs a >> shard supported slave to ge-rep to". > > Yes. Number of bricks and replica count can be different. But sharded block > size should be same. Only the first file will have > xattr(trusted.glusterfs.shard.block-size), Geo-rep should sync this xattr > also to Slave. Only Gsyncd can read/write the sharded chunks. Sharded Slave > Volume is required to understand these chunks when read(non Gsyncd clients) Even if this works I am very much is disagreement with this mechanism of synchronization (not that I have a working solution in my head as of now). > >> >>> >>> -Krutika >>> >>> >>> >>> > - In Changelog record changes related to Sharded files also. Just >>> like >>> >any regular files. >>> > - Sharding should allow Geo-rep to list/read/write Sharding >>> internal >>> >Xattrs if Client PID is gsyncd(-1) >>> > - Sharding should allow read/write of Sharded files(that is in >>> .shards >>> >directory) if Client PID is GSYNCD >>> > - Sharding should return actual file instead of returning the >>> >aggregated content when the Main file is requested(Client PID >>> >GSYNCD) >>> > >>> > For example, a file f1 is created with GFID G1. >>> > >>> > When the file grows it gets sharded into chunks(say 5 chunks). >>> > >>> > f1 G1 >>> > .shards/G1.1 G2 >>> > .shards/G1.2 G3 >>> > .shards/G1.3 G4 >>> > .shards/G1.4 G5 >>> > >>> > In Changelog, this is recorded as 5 different files as below >>> > >>> > CREATE G1 f1 >>> > DATA G1 >>> > META G1 >>> > CREATE G2 PGS/G1.1 >>> > DATA G2 >>> > META G1 >>> > CREATE G3 PGS/G1.2 >>> > DATA G3 >>> > META G1 >>> > CREATE G4 PGS/G1.3 >>> > DATA G4 >>> > META G1 >>> > CREATE G5 PGS/G1.4 >>> > DATA G5 >>> > META G1 >>> &g
Re: [Gluster-devel] Gluster Sharding and Geo-replication
- Original Message - > From: "Shyam" <srang...@redhat.com> > To: "Aravinda" <avish...@redhat.com>, "Gluster Devel" > <gluster-devel@gluster.org> > Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 8:09:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Gluster-devel] Gluster Sharding and Geo-replication > On 09/02/2015 03:12 AM, Aravinda wrote: > > Geo-replication and Sharding Team today discussed about the approach > > to make Sharding aware Geo-replication. Details are as below > > > > Participants: Aravinda, Kotresh, Krutika, Rahul Hinduja, Vijay Bellur > > > > - Both Master and Slave Volumes should be Sharded Volumes with same > > configurations. > If I am not mistaken, geo-rep supports replicating to a non-gluster > local FS at the slave end. Is this correct? If so, would this limitation > not make that problematic? > When you state *same configuration*, I assume you mean the sharding > configuration, not the volume graph, right? That is correct. The only requirement is for the slave to have shard translator (for, someone needs to present aggregated view of the file to the READers on the slave). Also the shard-block-size needs to be kept same between master and slave. Rest of the configuration (like the number of subvols of DHT/AFR) can vary across master and slave. -Krutika > > - In Changelog record changes related to Sharded files also. Just like > > any regular files. > > - Sharding should allow Geo-rep to list/read/write Sharding internal > > Xattrs if Client PID is gsyncd(-1) > > - Sharding should allow read/write of Sharded files(that is in .shards > > directory) if Client PID is GSYNCD > > - Sharding should return actual file instead of returning the > > aggregated content when the Main file is requested(Client PID > > GSYNCD) > > > > For example, a file f1 is created with GFID G1. > > > > When the file grows it gets sharded into chunks(say 5 chunks). > > > > f1 G1 > > .shards/G1.1 G2 > > .shards/G1.2 G3 > > .shards/G1.3 G4 > > .shards/G1.4 G5 > > > > In Changelog, this is recorded as 5 different files as below > > > > CREATE G1 f1 > > DATA G1 > > META G1 > > CREATE G2 PGS/G1.1 > > DATA G2 > > META G1 > > CREATE G3 PGS/G1.2 > > DATA G3 > > META G1 > > CREATE G4 PGS/G1.3 > > DATA G4 > > META G1 > > CREATE G5 PGS/G1.4 > > DATA G5 > > META G1 > > > > Where PGS is GFID of .shards directory. > > > > Geo-rep will create these files independently in Slave Volume and > > syncs Xattrs of G1. Data can be read only when all the chunks are > > synced to Slave Volume. Data can be read partially if main/first file > > and some of the chunks synced to Slave. > > > > Please add if I missed anything. C & S Welcome. > > > > regards > > Aravinda > > > > On 08/11/2015 04:36 PM, Aravinda wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> We are thinking different approaches to add support in Geo-replication > >> for Sharded Gluster Volumes[1] > >> > >> *Approach 1: Geo-rep: Sync Full file* > >> - In Changelog only record main file details in the same brick > >> where it is created > >> - Record as DATA in Changelog whenever any addition/changes to the > >> sharded file > >> - Geo-rep rsync will do checksum as a full file from mount and > >> syncs as new file > >> - Slave side sharding is managed by Slave Volume > >> *Approach 2: Geo-rep: Sync sharded file separately* > >> - Geo-rep rsync will do checksum for sharded files only > >> - Geo-rep syncs each sharded files independently as new files > >> - [UNKNOWN] Sync internal xattrs(file size and block count) in the > >> main sharded file to Slave Volume to maintain the same state as in Master. > >> - Sharding translator to allow file creation under .shards dir for > >> gsyncd. that is Parent GFID is .shards directory > >> - If sharded files are modified during Geo-rep run may end up stale > >> data in Slave. > >> - Files on Slave Volume may not be readable unless all sharded > >> files sync to Slave(Each bricks in Master independently sync files to > >> slave) > >> > >> First approach looks more clean, but we have to analize the Rsync > >> checksum performance on big files(Sharded in backend, accessed as one > >> big file from rsync) > >> > >> Let us know your thoughts. Thanks > >> > >> Ref: > >> [1] > >> http://www.gluster.org/community/documentation/index.php/Features/sharding-xlator > >> -- > >> regards > >> Aravinda > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Gluster-devel mailing list > >> Gluster-devel@gluster.org > >> http://www.gluster.org/mailman/listinfo/gluster-devel > > > > > > > > ___ > > Gluster-devel mailing list > > Gluster-devel@gluster.org > > http://www.gluster.org/mailman/listinfo/gluster-devel > > > ___ > Gluster-devel mailing list > Gluster-devel@gluster.org > http://www.gluster.org/mailman/listinfo/gluster-devel ___ Gluster-devel mailing list Gluster-devel@gluster.org http://www.gluster.org/mailman/listinfo/gluster-devel
Re: [Gluster-devel] Gluster Sharding and Geo-replication
On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Aravindawrote: > Geo-replication and Sharding Team today discussed about the approach > to make Sharding aware Geo-replication. Details are as below > > Participants: Aravinda, Kotresh, Krutika, Rahul Hinduja, Vijay Bellur > > - Both Master and Slave Volumes should be Sharded Volumes with same > configurations. > - In Changelog record changes related to Sharded files also. Just like > any regular files. > - Sharding should allow Geo-rep to list/read/write Sharding internal > Xattrs if Client PID is gsyncd(-1) > - Sharding should allow read/write of Sharded files(that is in .shards > directory) if Client PID is GSYNCD > - Sharding should return actual file instead of returning the > aggregated content when the Main file is requested(Client PID > GSYNCD) > > For example, a file f1 is created with GFID G1. > > When the file grows it gets sharded into chunks(say 5 chunks). > > f1 G1 > .shards/G1.1 G2 > .shards/G1.2 G3 > .shards/G1.3 G4 > .shards/G1.4 G5 > > In Changelog, this is recorded as 5 different files as below > > CREATE G1 f1 > DATA G1 > META G1 > CREATE G2 PGS/G1.1 > DATA G2 > META G1 > CREATE G3 PGS/G1.2 > DATA G3 > META G1 > CREATE G4 PGS/G1.3 > DATA G4 > META G1 > CREATE G5 PGS/G1.4 > DATA G5 > META G1 > > Where PGS is GFID of .shards directory. > > Geo-rep will create these files independently in Slave Volume and > syncs Xattrs of G1. Data can be read only when all the chunks are > synced to Slave Volume. Data can be read partially if main/first file > and some of the chunks synced to Slave. So, before replicating data to the salve, all shards needs to be created there? > > Please add if I missed anything. C & S Welcome. > > regards > Aravinda > > On 08/11/2015 04:36 PM, Aravinda wrote: > > Hi, > > We are thinking different approaches to add support in Geo-replication for > Sharded Gluster Volumes[1] > > Approach 1: Geo-rep: Sync Full file >- In Changelog only record main file details in the same brick where it > is created >- Record as DATA in Changelog whenever any addition/changes to the > sharded file >- Geo-rep rsync will do checksum as a full file from mount and syncs as > new file >- Slave side sharding is managed by Slave Volume > > Approach 2: Geo-rep: Sync sharded file separately >- Geo-rep rsync will do checksum for sharded files only >- Geo-rep syncs each sharded files independently as new files >- [UNKNOWN] Sync internal xattrs(file size and block count) in the main > sharded file to Slave Volume to maintain the same state as in Master. >- Sharding translator to allow file creation under .shards dir for > gsyncd. that is Parent GFID is .shards directory >- If sharded files are modified during Geo-rep run may end up stale data > in Slave. >- Files on Slave Volume may not be readable unless all sharded files sync > to Slave(Each bricks in Master independently sync files to slave) > > First approach looks more clean, but we have to analize the Rsync checksum > performance on big files(Sharded in backend, accessed as one big file from > rsync) > > Let us know your thoughts. Thanks > > Ref: > [1] > http://www.gluster.org/community/documentation/index.php/Features/sharding-xlator > > -- > regards > Aravinda > > > > ___ > Gluster-devel mailing list > Gluster-devel@gluster.org > http://www.gluster.org/mailman/listinfo/gluster-devel > > > > ___ > Gluster-devel mailing list > Gluster-devel@gluster.org > http://www.gluster.org/mailman/listinfo/gluster-devel > ___ Gluster-devel mailing list Gluster-devel@gluster.org http://www.gluster.org/mailman/listinfo/gluster-devel
Re: [Gluster-devel] Gluster Sharding and Geo-replication
On Wednesday 02 September 2015 08:09 PM, Shyam wrote: On 09/02/2015 03:12 AM, Aravinda wrote: Geo-replication and Sharding Team today discussed about the approach to make Sharding aware Geo-replication. Details are as below Participants: Aravinda, Kotresh, Krutika, Rahul Hinduja, Vijay Bellur - Both Master and Slave Volumes should be Sharded Volumes with same configurations. If I am not mistaken, geo-rep supports replicating to a non-gluster local FS at the slave end. Is this correct? If so, would this limitation not make that problematic? With recent Gluster releases (>= 3.5), remote replication to a local filesystem is no longer possible with geo-replication. Since geo-replication's syncing relies on gfids rather than paths (for better consistency), we lost the previous behavior. -Vijay ___ Gluster-devel mailing list Gluster-devel@gluster.org http://www.gluster.org/mailman/listinfo/gluster-devel
Re: [Gluster-devel] Gluster Sharding and Geo-replication
On 09/02/2015 03:12 AM, Aravinda wrote: Geo-replication and Sharding Team today discussed about the approach to make Sharding aware Geo-replication. Details are as below Participants: Aravinda, Kotresh, Krutika, Rahul Hinduja, Vijay Bellur - Both Master and Slave Volumes should be Sharded Volumes with same configurations. If I am not mistaken, geo-rep supports replicating to a non-gluster local FS at the slave end. Is this correct? If so, would this limitation not make that problematic? When you state *same configuration*, I assume you mean the sharding configuration, not the volume graph, right? - In Changelog record changes related to Sharded files also. Just like any regular files. - Sharding should allow Geo-rep to list/read/write Sharding internal Xattrs if Client PID is gsyncd(-1) - Sharding should allow read/write of Sharded files(that is in .shards directory) if Client PID is GSYNCD - Sharding should return actual file instead of returning the aggregated content when the Main file is requested(Client PID GSYNCD) For example, a file f1 is created with GFID G1. When the file grows it gets sharded into chunks(say 5 chunks). f1 G1 .shards/G1.1 G2 .shards/G1.2 G3 .shards/G1.3 G4 .shards/G1.4 G5 In Changelog, this is recorded as 5 different files as below CREATE G1 f1 DATA G1 META G1 CREATE G2 PGS/G1.1 DATA G2 META G1 CREATE G3 PGS/G1.2 DATA G3 META G1 CREATE G4 PGS/G1.3 DATA G4 META G1 CREATE G5 PGS/G1.4 DATA G5 META G1 Where PGS is GFID of .shards directory. Geo-rep will create these files independently in Slave Volume and syncs Xattrs of G1. Data can be read only when all the chunks are synced to Slave Volume. Data can be read partially if main/first file and some of the chunks synced to Slave. Please add if I missed anything. C & S Welcome. regards Aravinda On 08/11/2015 04:36 PM, Aravinda wrote: Hi, We are thinking different approaches to add support in Geo-replication for Sharded Gluster Volumes[1] *Approach 1: Geo-rep: Sync Full file* - In Changelog only record main file details in the same brick where it is created - Record as DATA in Changelog whenever any addition/changes to the sharded file - Geo-rep rsync will do checksum as a full file from mount and syncs as new file - Slave side sharding is managed by Slave Volume *Approach 2: Geo-rep: Sync sharded file separately* - Geo-rep rsync will do checksum for sharded files only - Geo-rep syncs each sharded files independently as new files - [UNKNOWN] Sync internal xattrs(file size and block count) in the main sharded file to Slave Volume to maintain the same state as in Master. - Sharding translator to allow file creation under .shards dir for gsyncd. that is Parent GFID is .shards directory - If sharded files are modified during Geo-rep run may end up stale data in Slave. - Files on Slave Volume may not be readable unless all sharded files sync to Slave(Each bricks in Master independently sync files to slave) First approach looks more clean, but we have to analize the Rsync checksum performance on big files(Sharded in backend, accessed as one big file from rsync) Let us know your thoughts. Thanks Ref: [1] http://www.gluster.org/community/documentation/index.php/Features/sharding-xlator -- regards Aravinda ___ Gluster-devel mailing list Gluster-devel@gluster.org http://www.gluster.org/mailman/listinfo/gluster-devel ___ Gluster-devel mailing list Gluster-devel@gluster.org http://www.gluster.org/mailman/listinfo/gluster-devel ___ Gluster-devel mailing list Gluster-devel@gluster.org http://www.gluster.org/mailman/listinfo/gluster-devel