[gmx-users] (no subject)

2013-03-25 Thread Yongliang Yang
Dear EB,

Many thanks for the kind reply! We have revised the improper section
followed your advice. The force field is amber99sb. Unfortunately, the
program complained again, No default proper dih. types'. Any advice?
Thanks!

Cheers

Jeremy



---
Hi Jeremy,

I have checked how improper dihedral should look like in Amber, guessing
that you used amber99sb force field. But I am wondering from where the
improper in your ligand.itp was generated. As it doesn not look alike with
the amber force field. It actually is not the problem of multiplicity but
the number of parameters that you put in the improper is not enough. It
should be at least three parameters in the improper section

Yours look like
  [ impropers ]
  CAD  OAX  CAB  CAG   0.000   167.4 (two parameters here angle and
force constant)

Whereas the program is looking for
CT  CT  OS  CT9   0.0  1.60247 3  (here function, angel,
force constant and multiplicity??) copied from the amber bonded force field
parameter :)

I think you should generate a logical itp file which fullfil all the
necessary requirements before you run you simulation.

Cheers,
EB
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RE: [gmx-users] (no subject)

2013-03-25 Thread Emanuel Birru
Hi Jeremy,

I am not an expert of amber ff, but what I have notice form the ffbonded.itp 
file of amber99sb is that it does not have an improper header and it might use 
dihedraltypes for both proper and improper; or constratinttypes. It would be 
good to get a comment from someone who knows how amber works well. 

Another problem might be with your atom names ( CAD  OAX  CAB  CAG ) . If the 
atom names of your ligand are not available in the amber99sb ff, when you 
generate your top/itp file it wont understand them. If you want include new 
atom/molecule it is always good to get the parameters from some other 
literature or use the very similar kind of atoms to generate an itp and check 
whether your parameters are good or bad by calculating some other 
physicochemical property. 

By the way, you can include your atom/molecules or new parameters in general in 
amber99sb or any force field and generate you're an itp file for your new 
molecules. But you have to be careful not to mess up other parts of the ff. Or 
you can create your own copy and incorporate in the simulation package (top 
folder).

It would be good if you explain what you are trying to do in detail to get more 
productive help.

Cheers,
EB

-Original Message-
From: gmx-users-boun...@gromacs.org [mailto:gmx-users-boun...@gromacs.org] On 
Behalf Of Yongliang Yang
Sent: Monday, 25 March 2013 5:01 PM
To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
Subject: [gmx-users] (no subject)

Dear EB,

Many thanks for the kind reply! We have revised the improper section followed 
your advice. The force field is amber99sb. Unfortunately, the program 
complained again, No default proper dih. types'. Any advice?
Thanks!

Cheers

Jeremy



---
Hi Jeremy,

I have checked how improper dihedral should look like in Amber, guessing that 
you used amber99sb force field. But I am wondering from where the improper in 
your ligand.itp was generated. As it doesn not look alike with the amber force 
field. It actually is not the problem of multiplicity but the number of 
parameters that you put in the improper is not enough. It should be at least 
three parameters in the improper section

Yours look like
  [ impropers ]
  CAD  OAX  CAB  CAG   0.000   167.4 (two parameters here angle and
force constant)

Whereas the program is looking for
CT  CT  OS  CT9   0.0  1.60247 3  (here function, angel,
force constant and multiplicity??) copied from the amber bonded force field 
parameter :)

I think you should generate a logical itp file which fullfil all the necessary 
requirements before you run you simulation.

Cheers,
EB
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[gmx-users] problem in converting coarse grained structure to fine strcture

2013-03-25 Thread xiao
Dear gromacs users,
I used the command g_fg2cg to convert a coarse grained structure into 
corresponding fine strcture, and i found that the water molecues can be 
transformed correctly, but there is a big mess in the protien , and i could not 
get correct protein strcture, can anyone give me some suggestion?
BW
Fugui
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Re: [gmx-users] (no subject)

2013-03-25 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 3/25/13 2:37 AM, Emanuel Birru wrote:

Hi Jeremy,

I am not an expert of amber ff, but what I have notice form the ffbonded.itp 
file of amber99sb is that it does not have an improper header and it might use 
dihedraltypes for both proper and improper; or constratinttypes. It would be 
good to get a comment from someone who knows how amber works well.



The directive is [dihedraltypes].  One can differentiate between propers and 
impropers by looking at the function type (see Table 5.5 in the manual).



Another problem might be with your atom names ( CAD  OAX  CAB  CAG ) . If the 
atom names of your ligand are not available in the amber99sb ff, when you 
generate your top/itp file it wont understand them. If you want include new 
atom/molecule it is always good to get the parameters from some other 
literature or use the very similar kind of atoms to generate an itp and check 
whether your parameters are good or bad by calculating some other 
physicochemical property.



Atom names are not what ffbonded.itp uses.  Interaction types are defined by 
atom types.


-Justin


By the way, you can include your atom/molecules or new parameters in general in 
amber99sb or any force field and generate you're an itp file for your new 
molecules. But you have to be careful not to mess up other parts of the ff. Or 
you can create your own copy and incorporate in the simulation package (top 
folder).

It would be good if you explain what you are trying to do in detail to get more 
productive help.

Cheers,
EB

-Original Message-
From: gmx-users-boun...@gromacs.org [mailto:gmx-users-boun...@gromacs.org] On 
Behalf Of Yongliang Yang
Sent: Monday, 25 March 2013 5:01 PM
To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
Subject: [gmx-users] (no subject)

Dear EB,

Many thanks for the kind reply! We have revised the improper section followed your 
advice. The force field is amber99sb. Unfortunately, the program complained again, 
No default proper dih. types'. Any advice?
Thanks!

Cheers

Jeremy



---
Hi Jeremy,

I have checked how improper dihedral should look like in Amber, guessing that 
you used amber99sb force field. But I am wondering from where the improper in 
your ligand.itp was generated. As it doesn not look alike with the amber force 
field. It actually is not the problem of multiplicity but the number of 
parameters that you put in the improper is not enough. It should be at least 
three parameters in the improper section

Yours look like
   [ impropers ]
   CAD  OAX  CAB  CAG   0.000   167.4 (two parameters here angle and
force constant)

Whereas the program is looking for
CT  CT  OS  CT9   0.0  1.60247 3  (here function, angel,
force constant and multiplicity??) copied from the amber bonded force field 
parameter :)

I think you should generate a logical itp file which fullfil all the necessary 
requirements before you run you simulation.

Cheers,
EB



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Research Scientist
Department of Biochemistry
Virginia Tech
Blacksburg, VA
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Re: [gmx-users] (no subject)

2013-03-25 Thread Emanuel Birru
Thanks Justin, sorry for using the wrong word what I had to mention was atom 
type not name.

Jeremy, as per Justin's comment I guess you better work out what kind of 
parameters you have to use for your impropers. The functions that you should 
put in you ligand itp file should be the same as amber ff.

Cheers,

On 25/03/2013, at 9:25 PM, Justin Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu wrote:

 
 
 On 3/25/13 2:37 AM, Emanuel Birru wrote:
 Hi Jeremy,
 
 I am not an expert of amber ff, but what I have notice form the ffbonded.itp 
 file of amber99sb is that it does not have an improper header and it might 
 use dihedraltypes for both proper and improper; or constratinttypes. It 
 would be good to get a comment from someone who knows how amber works well.
 
 
 The directive is [dihedraltypes].  One can differentiate between propers and 
 impropers by looking at the function type (see Table 5.5 in the manual).
 
 Another problem might be with your atom names ( CAD  OAX  CAB  CAG ) . If 
 the atom names of your ligand are not available in the amber99sb ff, when 
 you generate your top/itp file it wont understand them. If you want include 
 new atom/molecule it is always good to get the parameters from some other 
 literature or use the very similar kind of atoms to generate an itp and 
 check whether your parameters are good or bad by calculating some other 
 physicochemical property.
 
 
 Atom names are not what ffbonded.itp uses.  Interaction types are defined by 
 atom types.
 
 -Justin
 
 By the way, you can include your atom/molecules or new parameters in general 
 in amber99sb or any force field and generate you're an itp file for your new 
 molecules. But you have to be careful not to mess up other parts of the ff. 
 Or you can create your own copy and incorporate in the simulation package 
 (top folder).
 
 It would be good if you explain what you are trying to do in detail to get 
 more productive help.
 
 Cheers,
 EB
 
 -Original Message-
 From: gmx-users-boun...@gromacs.org [mailto:gmx-users-boun...@gromacs.org] 
 On Behalf Of Yongliang Yang
 Sent: Monday, 25 March 2013 5:01 PM
 To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
 Subject: [gmx-users] (no subject)
 
 Dear EB,
 
 Many thanks for the kind reply! We have revised the improper section 
 followed your advice. The force field is amber99sb. Unfortunately, the 
 program complained again, No default proper dih. types'. Any advice?
 Thanks!
 
 Cheers
 
 Jeremy
 
 
 
 ---
 Hi Jeremy,
 
 I have checked how improper dihedral should look like in Amber, guessing 
 that you used amber99sb force field. But I am wondering from where the 
 improper in your ligand.itp was generated. As it doesn not look alike with 
 the amber force field. It actually is not the problem of multiplicity but 
 the number of parameters that you put in the improper is not enough. It 
 should be at least three parameters in the improper section
 
 Yours look like
   [ impropers ]
   CAD  OAX  CAB  CAG   0.000   167.4 (two parameters here angle and
 force constant)
 
 Whereas the program is looking for
 CT  CT  OS  CT9   0.0  1.60247 3  (here function, angel,
 force constant and multiplicity??) copied from the amber bonded force field 
 parameter :)
 
 I think you should generate a logical itp file which fullfil all the 
 necessary requirements before you run you simulation.
 
 Cheers,
 EB
 
 
 -- 
 
 
 Justin A. Lemkul, Ph.D.
 Research Scientist
 Department of Biochemistry
 Virginia Tech
 Blacksburg, VA
 jalemkul[at]vt.edu | (540) 231-9080
 http://www.bevanlab.biochem.vt.edu/Pages/Personal/justin
 
 
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[gmx-users] Re: Re: help with chromophore of a GFP

2013-03-25 Thread Anna MARABOTTI
 

Dear gmx-users, 

I'm still dealing with my problem of obtaining
parameters for my chromophore of the GFP family, in order to treat it as
a new residue. I'm trying (VERY hardly) to add missing parameters into
ffbonded.itp file for AMBER99SB ff, using those parameters found in
files calculated by Antechamber. To date, I've added those parameters
related to bonds, now I have to add those related to angles, dihedrals
and impropers. 

I'm dealing with section [angletypes] of file
ffbonded.itp, and I'm looking at the values of cth (that I imagine is
the angle force constant expressed in kJ mol^-1 rad^-2, correct?) I see
that all parameters in ffbonded.itp are multiple of the value of 4.184,
corresponding to the conversion factor between kcal and kJ. If I divide
each of these values, I obtain a value corresponding to a number such as
80, 70, 120, 40 etc. Instead, if I look at those corresponding values
found using Antechamber, I see, as expected, numbers with decimals, that
are often very different from those present in ffbonded.itp (when I
compare angles present in both files). For example, for the angle
CT-CT-CT (3 C sp3), I see in ffbonded.itp a value of cth equal to 334.72
kJ mol^-1 rad^-2. For the same angle, Antechamber calculated a value of
63.21 kcal/mol^-1 rad^-2. If I do 334.72/4.184 the result is 80, which
is different from the value of Antechamber. If I consider the angle
CT-CT-HC (2 C sp3 and one H) the angle force constant in Antechamber is
46.37 kcal mol-1 rad-2, in ffbonded.itp is 418.4, that divided by 4.184
is exactly 100. 

Moreover, the same values of angles and forces are
applied to angles that in my opinion are quite different among them. For
example, I found the same value of 109.5 (th) and 418.4 (cth) for:
H2-CT-N*, H1-CT-N*, H1-CT-OH, H1-CT-OS, H2-CT-OS, N*-CT-OS, C-CT-H1,
H1-CT-N2, C-CT-HC... All these angles involve atoms that seem very
different to me, and I'd expect to find different values of these
parameters. 

It seems to me that values into ffbonded.itp related to
these force constants are quite strange, especially for the fact that
they are EXACTLY multiple of 4.184, and I wonder if I'm correctly
interpreting these values. 

Best regards 

Anna 
 
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[gmx-users] position restraints

2013-03-25 Thread Shima Arasteh
Hi,

I want to use position restraints on P atom types of POPC, and on my protein 
inserted in POPC.
The inserted protein has 2 chains.

1.

I made index files for each chain and then restrained them by these commands:
#make_ndx -f minim.gro -o protein_chain_A.ndx
#genrestr -f minim.gro -o protein_chain_A_posre.itp -fc 10 10 10 -n 
protein_chain_A.ndx

#make_ndx -f minim.gro -o protein_chain_B.ndx
#genrestr -f minim.gro -o protein_chain_B_posre.itp -fc 10 10 10 -n 
protein_chain_B.ndx

#make_ndx -f minim.gro -o lipid_posre.ndx
#genrestr -f minim.gro -o lipid_posre.itp -fc 10 10 10 -n 
lipid_posre.ndx

2.

Then these lines added to top of the itp files:
#ifdef POSRE
#endif

3.
Then restrained them as follow in top file:

; Include chain topologies
#include topol_Protein_chain_A.itp
#ifdef POSRE
#include protein_chain_A_posre.itp
#endif
#include topol_Protein_chain_B.itp
#ifdef POSRE
#include protein_chain_B_posre.itp
#endif

; Include POPC chain topology
#include popc.itp
#ifdef POSRE_LIPID
#include lipid_posre.itp
#endif

4.

Also added the define statement to mdp file :  

define        = -DPOSRES_LIPID -DPOSRES

But when I run the grompp and get the per-processed top, only the chain_A is 
included in position restraint!

Would you please give me suggestions? They would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.


 
Sincerely,
Shima
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Re: [gmx-users] position restraints

2013-03-25 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 3/25/13 12:06 PM, Shima Arasteh wrote:

Hi,

I want to use position restraints on P atom types of POPC, and on my protein 
inserted in POPC.
The inserted protein has 2 chains.

1.

I made index files for each chain and then restrained them by these commands:
#make_ndx -f minim.gro -o protein_chain_A.ndx
#genrestr -f minim.gro -o protein_chain_A_posre.itp -fc 10 10 10 -n 
protein_chain_A.ndx

#make_ndx -f minim.gro -o protein_chain_B.ndx
#genrestr -f minim.gro -o protein_chain_B_posre.itp -fc 10 10 10 -n 
protein_chain_B.ndx

#make_ndx -f minim.gro -o lipid_posre.ndx
#genrestr -f minim.gro -o lipid_posre.itp -fc 10 10 10 -n 
lipid_posre.ndx

2.

Then these lines added to top of the itp files:
#ifdef POSRE
#endif

3.
Then restrained them as follow in top file:

; Include chain topologies
#include topol_Protein_chain_A.itp
#ifdef POSRE
#include protein_chain_A_posre.itp
#endif
#include topol_Protein_chain_B.itp
#ifdef POSRE
#include protein_chain_B_posre.itp
#endif

; Include POPC chain topology
#include popc.itp
#ifdef POSRE_LIPID
#include lipid_posre.itp
#endif

4.

Also added the define statement to mdp file :

define= -DPOSRES_LIPID -DPOSRES

But when I run the grompp and get the per-processed top, only the chain_A is 
included in position restraint!

Would you please give me suggestions? They would be appreciated.


Again, POSRE and POSRES are different.  -DPOSRES will not trigger the #ifdef 
POSRE block.


-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] position restraints

2013-03-25 Thread Shima Arasteh
Believe me I add this line to mdp file as you wrote in KALP-15-DPPC.

define        = -DPOSRES_LIPID 

Also added these to top file.
#ifdef POSRES_LIPID
#include lipid_posre.itp
#endif 
 But I get again this error that the This probably means that you have 
inserted topology section position_restraints
in a part belonging to a different molecule than you intended to.

Why this doesn't match?? I think POSITION RESTRAINING is making me crazy! :((
Would you please help me? 

Thanks for help.

Sincerely,
Shima


- Original Message -
From: Justin Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu
To: Shima Arasteh shima_arasteh2...@yahoo.com; Discussion list for GROMACS 
users gmx-users@gromacs.org
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] position restraints



On 3/25/13 12:06 PM, Shima Arasteh wrote:
 Hi,

 I want to use position restraints on P atom types of POPC, and on my protein 
 inserted in POPC.
 The inserted protein has 2 chains.

 1.

 I made index files for each chain and then restrained them by these commands:
 #make_ndx -f minim.gro -o protein_chain_A.ndx
 #genrestr -f minim.gro -o protein_chain_A_posre.itp -fc 10 10 10 
 -n protein_chain_A.ndx

 #make_ndx -f minim.gro -o protein_chain_B.ndx
 #genrestr -f minim.gro -o protein_chain_B_posre.itp -fc 10 10 10 
 -n protein_chain_B.ndx

 #make_ndx -f minim.gro -o lipid_posre.ndx
 #genrestr -f minim.gro -o lipid_posre.itp -fc 10 10 10 -n 
 lipid_posre.ndx

 2.

 Then these lines added to top of the itp files:
 #ifdef POSRE
 #endif

 3.
 Then restrained them as follow in top file:

 ; Include chain topologies
 #include topol_Protein_chain_A.itp
 #ifdef POSRE
 #include protein_chain_A_posre.itp
 #endif
 #include topol_Protein_chain_B.itp
 #ifdef POSRE
 #include protein_chain_B_posre.itp
 #endif

 ; Include POPC chain topology
 #include popc.itp
 #ifdef POSRE_LIPID
 #include lipid_posre.itp
 #endif

 4.

 Also added the define statement to mdp file :

 define        = -DPOSRES_LIPID -DPOSRES

 But when I run the grompp and get the per-processed top, only the chain_A is 
 included in position restraint!

 Would you please give me suggestions? They would be appreciated.

Again, POSRE and POSRES are different.  -DPOSRES will not trigger the 
#ifdef 
POSRE block.

-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] position restraints

2013-03-25 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 3/25/13 1:40 PM, Shima Arasteh wrote:

Believe me I add this line to mdp file as you wrote in KALP-15-DPPC.



I believe what I see.  If you're trying to re-type from memory what's in your 
topology and/or .mdp file, that's not productive.  Please copy and paste to make 
efficient use of everyone's time.



define= -DPOSRES_LIPID

Also added these to top file.
#ifdef POSRES_LIPID
#include lipid_posre.itp
#endif
  But I get again this error that the This probably means that you have inserted 
topology section position_restraints
in a part belonging to a different molecule than you intended to.

Why this doesn't match?? I think POSITION RESTRAINING is making me crazy! :((
Would you please help me?



I've been trying, and it appears you're either giving inconsistent or incorrect 
information.  Copy and paste directly from your .top file whatever sections are 
relevant.  You also haven't said what is in lipid_posre.itp, which can be 
another source of problems.  You just said you've created it with genrestr, but 
you didn't say what group you included.  The numbering in the position restraint 
file is per [moleculetype], not the global atom numbering in the coordinate file.


-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] position restraints

2013-03-25 Thread Shima Arasteh
Yes sir!

What I have in my top file is :
; Include forcefield parameters
#include ./charmm36-modified.ff/forcefield.itp


; Include chain topologies
#include topol_Protein_chain_A.itp
#ifdef POSRES
#include protein_chain_A_posre.itp
#endif
#include topol_Protein_chain_B.itp
#ifdef POSRES
#include protein_chain_B_posre.itp
#endif

; Include POPC chain topology
#include popc.itp
#ifdef POSRES_LIPID
#include lipid_posre.itp
#endif

; Include water topology
#include ./charmm36-modified.ff/tip3p.itp

#ifdef POSRES_WATER
; Position restraint for each water oxygen
[ position_restraints ]
;  i funct   fcx    fcy    fcz
   1    1   1000   1000   1000
#endif

; Include topology for ions
#include ./charmm36-modified.ff/ions.itp

[ system ]
; Name
Protein

[ molecules ]
; Compound    #mols
Protein_chain_A 1
Protein_chain_B 1
POPC        238
SOL 18706
NA   615
CL   617


I used genrestr to create the itp file of P atom types.The generated itp file 
is lipid_posre.itp. If I need to send any other information please let me know.

 
Sincerely,
Shima


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On 3/25/13 1:40 PM, Shima Arasteh wrote:
 Believe me I add this line to mdp file as you wrote in KALP-15-DPPC.
 

I believe what I see.  If you're trying to re-type from memory what's in your 
topology and/or .mdp file, that's not productive.  Please copy and paste to 
make efficient use of everyone's time.

 define        = -DPOSRES_LIPID
 
 Also added these to top file.
 #ifdef POSRES_LIPID
 #include lipid_posre.itp
 #endif
   But I get again this error that the This probably means that you have 
inserted topology section position_restraints
 in a part belonging to a different molecule than you intended to.
 
 Why this doesn't match?? I think POSITION RESTRAINING is making me crazy! :((
 Would you please help me?
 

I've been trying, and it appears you're either giving inconsistent or incorrect 
information.  Copy and paste directly from your .top file whatever sections are 
relevant.  You also haven't said what is in lipid_posre.itp, which can be 
another source of problems.  You just said you've created it with genrestr, but 
you didn't say what group you included.  The numbering in the position 
restraint file is per [moleculetype], not the global atom numbering in the 
coordinate file.

-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] position restraints

2013-03-25 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 3/25/13 1:50 PM, Shima Arasteh wrote:

Yes sir!

What I have in my top file is :
; Include forcefield parameters
#include ./charmm36-modified.ff/forcefield.itp


; Include chain topologies
#include topol_Protein_chain_A.itp
#ifdef POSRES
#include protein_chain_A_posre.itp
#endif
#include topol_Protein_chain_B.itp
#ifdef POSRES
#include protein_chain_B_posre.itp
#endif

; Include POPC chain topology
#include popc.itp
#ifdef POSRES_LIPID
#include lipid_posre.itp
#endif

; Include water topology
#include ./charmm36-modified.ff/tip3p.itp

#ifdef POSRES_WATER
; Position restraint for each water oxygen
[ position_restraints ]
;  i funct   fcxfcyfcz
11   1000   1000   1000
#endif

; Include topology for ions
#include ./charmm36-modified.ff/ions.itp

[ system ]
; Name
Protein

[ molecules ]
; Compound#mols
Protein_chain_A 1
Protein_chain_B 1
POPC238
SOL 18706
NA   615
CL   617


I used genrestr to create the itp file of P atom types.The generated itp file 
is lipid_posre.itp. If I need to send any other information please let me know.



In that case, lipid_posre.itp should have only one line.  If you've made an 
index group of multiple P atoms across multiple molecules, that is the incorrect 
approach.  Consult the manual, website, and numerous threads in the archive.


-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] position restraints

2013-03-25 Thread Shima Arasteh
Would you please let me know that what subject I need to look for through 
manual or threads? Making index groups of multiple atoms?


Thanks for your suggestions.

 
Sincerely,
Shima


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Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] position restraints



On 3/25/13 1:50 PM, Shima Arasteh wrote:
 Yes sir!

 What I have in my top file is :
 ; Include forcefield parameters
 #include ./charmm36-modified.ff/forcefield.itp


 ; Include chain topologies
 #include topol_Protein_chain_A.itp
 #ifdef POSRES
 #include protein_chain_A_posre.itp
 #endif
 #include topol_Protein_chain_B.itp
 #ifdef POSRES
 #include protein_chain_B_posre.itp
 #endif

 ; Include POPC chain topology
 #include popc.itp
 #ifdef POSRES_LIPID
 #include lipid_posre.itp
 #endif

 ; Include water topology
 #include ./charmm36-modified.ff/tip3p.itp

 #ifdef POSRES_WATER
 ; Position restraint for each water oxygen
 [ position_restraints ]
 ;  i funct       fcx        fcy        fcz
     1    1       1000       1000       1000
 #endif

 ; Include topology for ions
 #include ./charmm36-modified.ff/ions.itp

 [ system ]
 ; Name
 Protein

 [ molecules ]
 ; Compound        #mols
 Protein_chain_A     1
 Protein_chain_B     1
 POPC        238
 SOL         18706
 NA               615
 CL               617


 I used genrestr to create the itp file of P atom types.The generated itp file 
 is lipid_posre.itp. If I need to send any other information please let me 
 know.


In that case, lipid_posre.itp should have only one line.  If you've made an 
index group of multiple P atoms across multiple molecules, that is the 
incorrect 
approach.  Consult the manual, website, and numerous threads in the archive.

-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] position restraints

2013-03-25 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 3/25/13 2:47 PM, Shima Arasteh wrote:

Would you please let me know that what subject I need to look for through 
manual or threads? Making index groups of multiple atoms?



What you need to understand is how the position restraint mechanism works.  If 
you know that, you can make .itp files by hand using a text editor if you like 
(which is actually what I do in the case of one-liners like lipid_posre.itp for 
what you're doing).


-Justin


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Re: [gmx-users] position restraints

2013-03-25 Thread Shima Arasteh
Yes, you are right. Because I have read the include mechanism in website many 
times, but I dont undrestand it in deep! :-( 
I may need to study more.
Thanks


 
Sincerely,
Shima


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Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 11:20 PM
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On 3/25/13 2:47 PM, Shima Arasteh wrote:
 Would you please let me know that what subject I need to look for through 
 manual or threads? Making index groups of multiple atoms?
 

What you need to understand is how the position restraint mechanism works.  If 
you know that, you can make .itp files by hand using a text editor if you like 
(which is actually what I do in the case of one-liners like lipid_posre.itp for 
what you're doing).

-Justin


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Re: [gmx-users] position restraints

2013-03-25 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 3/25/13 3:00 PM, Shima Arasteh wrote:

Yes, you are right. Because I have read the include mechanism in website many 
times, but I dont undrestand it in deep! :-(
I may need to study more.


I would again suggest focusing more on the position restraints contents 
themselves.  Your formulation for #including them is correct.  The contents of 
lipid_posre.itp are not.  There is substantial discussion on the topic of 
position restraints in the manual, as well as the help description of genrestr 
(especially the part that starts with WARNING), which I am willing to bet will 
solve your issues if you read it carefully.


-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] Re: Re: help with chromophore of a GFP

2013-03-25 Thread Mark Abraham
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Anna MARABOTTI amarabo...@unisa.it wrote:



 Dear gmx-users,

 I'm still dealing with my problem of obtaining
 parameters for my chromophore of the GFP family, in order to treat it as
 a new residue. I'm trying (VERY hardly) to add missing parameters into
 ffbonded.itp file for AMBER99SB ff, using those parameters found in
 files calculated by Antechamber. To date, I've added those parameters
 related to bonds, now I have to add those related to angles, dihedrals
 and impropers.

 I'm dealing with section [angletypes] of file
 ffbonded.itp, and I'm looking at the values of cth (that I imagine is
 the angle force constant expressed in kJ mol^-1 rad^-2, correct?) I see


Yes, table 5.5 is definitive.

that all parameters in ffbonded.itp are multiple of the value of 4.184,
 corresponding to the conversion factor between kcal and kJ. If I divide
 each of these values, I obtain a value corresponding to a number such as
 80, 70, 120, 40 etc.


These are (should be) based on the original definition in the AMBER force
field.


 Instead, if I look at those corresponding values
 found using Antechamber, I see, as expected, numbers with decimals, that
 are often very different from those present in ffbonded.itp (when I
 compare angles present in both files). For example, for the angle
 CT-CT-CT (3 C sp3), I see in ffbonded.itp a value of cth equal to 334.72
 kJ mol^-1 rad^-2. For the same angle, Antechamber calculated a value of
 63.21 kcal/mol^-1 rad^-2. If I do 334.72/4.184 the result is 80, which
 is different from the value of Antechamber. If I consider the angle
 CT-CT-HC (2 C sp3 and one H) the angle force constant in Antechamber is
 46.37 kcal mol-1 rad-2, in ffbonded.itp is 418.4, that divided by 4.184
 is exactly 100.


I gather you asked Antechamber to do an unconstrained optimization, so it
did. That's clearly not so reasonable for incorporating the result into a
force field that uses the same atom types. Either you need to use a
different atom type for the newly-parameterized CT (perhaps by naming the
atoms differently in the input to Antechamber) so there's no mismatch, or
you need to explore how to constrain Antechamber's optimization (e.g. its
documentation or the AMBER mailing list).


 Moreover, the same values of angles and forces are
 applied to angles that in my opinion are quite different among them. For
 example, I found the same value of 109.5 (th) and 418.4 (cth) for:
 H2-CT-N*, H1-CT-N*, H1-CT-OH, H1-CT-OS, H2-CT-OS, N*-CT-OS, C-CT-H1,
 H1-CT-N2, C-CT-HC... All these angles involve atoms that seem very
 different to me, and I'd expect to find different values of these
 parameters.


Welcome to the joys of parametrisation. If you were to parameterise each of
those separately, you would need data that would be sensitive to each, and
ideally more than one kind of data. The number of possible interaction
types, the amount of parametrisation data required, and length of the
overall optimisation process explodes fast (each parameter should be
optimised in the context of *all* the others, remember). The additional
value delivered by the specialised parameters would be low. So catch-all
parameters are, unfortunately, common. It is not possible to model these
interactions accurately with a single force constant that is valid in all
chemical contexts of interest, so one has to give up at some point.

It seems to me that values into ffbonded.itp related to
 these force constants are quite strange, especially for the fact that
 they are EXACTLY multiple of 4.184, and I wonder if I'm correctly
 interpreting these values.


It sounds like the original parametrisation used a granularity of 10
kcal/mol for these force constants. Optimising any of the parameters to
arbitrary precision is likely to lead to over-fitting the parameters to the
data used for parametrisation. Losing the capacity to generalise to
observables outside the parametrisation set is another hidden trap in the
process. Fortunately, discretising the problem domain also speeds up the
optimisation.

Mark
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Re: [gmx-users] position restraints

2013-03-25 Thread Shima Arasteh
Dear Justin,

As I got, I need to edit the lipid_posre.itp file. To do so, I need to change 
numbering of position restraining in lipid_posre.itp file to what they are in 
their original itp file: In my case popc.itp file.
Am I right? 


 
Sincerely,
Shima


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Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] position restraints



On 3/25/13 3:00 PM, Shima Arasteh wrote:
 Yes, you are right. Because I have read the include mechanism in website many 
 times, but I dont undrestand it in deep! :-(
 I may need to study more.

I would again suggest focusing more on the position restraints contents 
themselves.  Your formulation for #including them is correct.  The contents of 
lipid_posre.itp are not.  There is substantial discussion on the topic of 
position restraints in the manual, as well as the help description of genrestr 
(especially the part that starts with WARNING), which I am willing to bet 
will solve your issues if you read it carefully.

-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] position restraints

2013-03-25 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 3/25/13 3:25 PM, Shima Arasteh wrote:

Dear Justin,

As I got, I need to edit the lipid_posre.itp file. To do so, I need to change 
numbering of position restraining in lipid_posre.itp file to what they are in 
their original itp file: In my case popc.itp file.
Am I right?



More or less, but for the sake of clarity, let me explain this fully so you can 
hopefully arrive at a resolution quickly.  Say I have a system of arbitrary 
molecules that have 4 atoms each.  Position restraints only work per 
[moleculetype], so using genrestr is somewhat dangerous unless you are working 
with a coordinate file or suitable index file that only specifies a single 
molecule.  Otherwise, the selection is rather ham-handed and actually gives you 
a nonfunctional .itp file (hence the WARNING in the help description). 
Therefore, I can only use atom numbers 1, 2, 3, and 4 in my 
[position_restraints] directive.  Anything above 4 (i.e. based on selecting 
multiple molecules in genrestr) triggers a fatal error.


What then happens is that grompp reads those atoms, and every time it encounters 
those atom numbers within the [moleculetype] (irrespective of how many times 
that molecule appears), restraints are applied as specified.


So, if you want to restrain only P atoms of every POPC molecule, you basically 
need a one-line .itp file.  If, for instance, P is atom number 8:


[ position_restraints ]
   8   1   001000

That will restrain all P atoms (every time they occur, as grompp finds them 
throughout the coordinate file) in the z-dimension only.  Hopefully that all 
makes sense and this experience has been educational as far as how these things 
work.


-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] position restraints

2013-03-25 Thread Shima Arasteh
Ohhh...! :-)
I could not get it on my own independently!
Thanks for all your explanation! Many many thanks.


 
Sincerely,
Shima


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Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] position restraints



On 3/25/13 3:25 PM, Shima Arasteh wrote:
 Dear Justin,
 
 As I got, I need to edit the lipid_posre.itp file. To do so, I need to change 
 numbering of position restraining in lipid_posre.itp file to what they are in 
 their original itp file: In my case popc.itp file.
 Am I right?
 

More or less, but for the sake of clarity, let me explain this fully so you can 
hopefully arrive at a resolution quickly.  Say I have a system of arbitrary 
molecules that have 4 atoms each.  Position restraints only work per 
[moleculetype], so using genrestr is somewhat dangerous unless you are working 
with a coordinate file or suitable index file that only specifies a single 
molecule.  Otherwise, the selection is rather ham-handed and actually gives you 
a nonfunctional .itp file (hence the WARNING in the help description). 
Therefore, I can only use atom numbers 1, 2, 3, and 4 in my 
[position_restraints] directive.  Anything above 4 (i.e. based on selecting 
multiple molecules in genrestr) triggers a fatal error.

What then happens is that grompp reads those atoms, and every time it 
encounters those atom numbers within the [moleculetype] (irrespective of how 
many times that molecule appears), restraints are applied as specified.

So, if you want to restrain only P atoms of every POPC molecule, you basically 
need a one-line .itp file.  If, for instance, P is atom number 8:

[ position_restraints ]
   8   1   0    0    1000

That will restrain all P atoms (every time they occur, as grompp finds them 
throughout the coordinate file) in the z-dimension only.  Hopefully that all 
makes sense and this experience has been educational as far as how these things 
work.

-Justin

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[gmx-users] Re: problem in converting coarse grained structure to fine strcture

2013-03-25 Thread kpsanto
Most probably you may not have described the [mapping] section for the
protein in the topology file  correctly. Check your topology file. From your
description it is difficult to guess what is the exact problem.

cheers

 



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Chapel Hill, NC, USA

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Aw: [gmx-users] Re: Re: help with chromophore of a GFP

2013-03-25 Thread lloyd riggs

If you back the origional papers alot of the conversions can be found. I dont know the papers off the top of my head,

so you should just ask your PI, collegues or the board. They are a pain, one paper will have 2 and be missing one definition you want, etc...




Stephan Watkins


Gesendet:Montag, 25. Mrz 2013 um 16:56 Uhr
Von:Anna MARABOTTI amarabo...@unisa.it
An:gmx-users@gromacs.org
Betreff:[gmx-users] Re: Re: help with chromophore of a GFP



Dear gmx-users,

Im still dealing with my problem of obtaining
parameters for my chromophore of the GFP family, in order to treat it as
a new residue. Im trying (VERY hardly) to add missing parameters into
ffbonded.itp file for AMBER99SB ff, using those parameters found in
files calculated by Antechamber. To date, Ive added those parameters
related to bonds, now I have to add those related to angles, dihedrals
and impropers.

Im dealing with section [angletypes] of file
ffbonded.itp, and Im looking at the values of cth (that I imagine is
the angle force constant expressed in kJ mol^-1 rad^-2, correct?) I see
that all parameters in ffbonded.itp are multiple of the value of 4.184,
corresponding to the conversion factor between kcal and kJ. If I divide
each of these values, I obtain a value corresponding to a number such as
80, 70, 120, 40 etc. Instead, if I look at those corresponding values
found using Antechamber, I see, as expected, numbers with decimals, that
are often very different from those present in ffbonded.itp (when I
compare angles present in both files). For example, for the angle
CT-CT-CT (3 C sp3), I see in ffbonded.itp a value of cth equal to 334.72
kJ mol^-1 rad^-2. For the same angle, Antechamber calculated a value of
63.21 kcal/mol^-1 rad^-2. If I do 334.72/4.184 the result is 80, which
is different from the value of Antechamber. If I consider the angle
CT-CT-HC (2 C sp3 and one H) the angle force constant in Antechamber is
46.37 kcal mol-1 rad-2, in ffbonded.itp is 418.4, that divided by 4.184
is exactly 100.

Moreover, the same values of angles and forces are
applied to angles that in my opinion are quite different among them. For
example, I found the same value of 109.5 (th) and 418.4 (cth) for:
H2-CT-N*, H1-CT-N*, H1-CT-OH, H1-CT-OS, H2-CT-OS, N*-CT-OS, C-CT-H1,
H1-CT-N2, C-CT-HC... All these angles involve atoms that seem very
different to me, and Id expect to find different values of these
parameters.

It seems to me that values into ffbonded.itp related to
these force constants are quite strange, especially for the fact that
they are EXACTLY multiple of 4.184, and I wonder if Im correctly
interpreting these values.

Best regards

Anna

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[gmx-users] Dihedral restraints

2013-03-25 Thread santhosh
Hello All,

While doing NMR refinement or custom force addition, it can happen than the
force on the system can push the peptide plane atoms out of the plane. [
like the amide bond is pushed out of the plane to satisfy the external force
or the omega angle is deformed beyond acceptable values]. To control this
behavior, I want to employ dihedral restrains on my system. 

I have understood the format and the required steps but the results of a
short simulation are not as expected.

For example :
#18 : C of resid 1 ; 20 : N of resid 2 ; 5 : CA of resid 1 ; 22 : CA of
resid 2
# 19 : O of resid 1 ; 21 : H of resid 2. 
#; ai   ajakal  type  label  phi  dphi  kfac  power
5   18  20  22  1   0   180.00  4   1   
1
19  18  20  22  1   0   0.004   
1   1
5   18  20  21  1   0   180.00  4   1   
1
19  18  20  21  1   0   0.004   
1   1

In the .mdp file, i have 
;dihedral restraints
dihre   =  yes
dihre_fc=  50 ; or whatever value you desire
nstdihreout =  50

I ran a short 2000 step simulation and over the period of time I tracked the
four dihedral values, every row is a timestep.
#the first line is the restrained reference value. 
 180 0  
 180  
0
-147.287215895064   9.45865329024718-159.203988508429   
-2.45811932311724
-111.050389450397   -81.9953887566147   -92.0822326476887   
-63.0272319539059
-110.958596230868   -73.8376501933164   -92.9130172813275   
-55.7920712437757
-112.517830994369   -59.5426717504823   -102.604122568900   
-49.6289633250131
-100.996135584400   -74.4228693635875   -87.2297061267471   
-60.6564399059348
-93.9669086707340   -57.7658765173159   -86.3382092652599   
-50.1371771118417
-95.0591618723864   -66.9832558152160   -85.0934054990846   
-57.0174994419143
-94.2190629339560   -52.6947808390542   -91.1562898592925   
-49.6320077643907
-87.5354914279667   -69.2330638322494   -73.2840411103266   
-54.9816135146093
-112.405078265351   -73.0596345313864   -97.4992184521689   
-58.1537747182041

As you can see, the value moves away from the reference value as the
simulation goes on. 
Any hints about any possible mistake in my implementation would be
appreciated. 

Thanks
Santhosh





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[gmx-users] scaling factor for rna/dna

2013-03-25 Thread Vishwambhar Bhandare
dear gromacs users,
I am doing LIE calculation in gromacs for RNA molecules,
What scaling factor (alpha and beta) should i use for calculation?
Is that default values for protein ligand will work'?
how we can get these alpha and beta scaling factors for nucleic acid?
thanks in advance..


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[gmx-users] G54a7 compatibility with G53a6?

2013-03-25 Thread Rajat Desikan
Hi All
I have a membrane protein with a lot of alpha helices in it. I want to use
the 54a7 parameters for the protein and Kukol parameters (modified 53a6) for
the POPC membrane. Is this feasible? I know that there are issues with
combining widely different ffs, but these forcefields seem very similar.

Thanks, 



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