[gmx-users] About extend the run,,

2012-06-02 Thread rama david
Hi Gromacs Friends,

I run a Production run with saving the  co-ordinates and velocity
after every 500 steps for 20ns..
Now I want to extend the run but with saving the  co-ordinates and velocity
after every 1000 steps for next 30ns (total 50ns)

To perform these task I am using following command
1. grompp -f New mdp file just change in  saving output  -t .cpt  -c
.gro file(gro file from position restrained run )  -o new.tpr


2. tpbconv -s new.tpr -0 extend.tpr  -extend 3

3. mdrun -v -deffnm extend  -cpi .cpt -append

Is these approach is correct??

Second query;

To rerun the crash run, users give .cpt file as input to -mdrun,
My query is, There are two cpt file a) pre.cpt  b) .cpt ,
So which one has to given as input???

All suggestion are welcome...

With Best Wishes,
Rama david
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Re: [gmx-users] About extend the run,,

2012-06-02 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



On 6/2/12 10:27 AM, rama david wrote:

Hi Gromacs Friends,

I run a Production run with saving the  co-ordinates and velocity
after every 500 steps for 20ns..
Now I want to extend the run but with saving the  co-ordinates and velocity
after every 1000 steps for next 30ns (total 50ns)

To perform these task I am using following command
1. grompp -f New mdp file just change in  saving output  -t .cpt  -c .gro
file(gro file from position restrained run )  -o new.tpr


2. tpbconv -s new.tpr -0 extend.tpr  -extend 3

3. mdrun -v -deffnm extend  -cpi .cpt -append

Is these approach is correct??



No.  The new.tpr file contains instructions to run from 20 - 30 ns.  There is 
no need to then invoke tpbconv.  You would also need a new invocation of mdrun, 
since the output frequencies won't match.  You don't want to append those files 
with mdrun (nor will the checkpoint file likely let you).



Second query;

To rerun the crash run, users give .cpt file as input to -mdrun,
My query is, There are two cpt file a) pre.cpt  b) .cpt ,
So which one has to given as input???



Use gmxcheck to understand the contents of each.  The timestamp will also tell 
you a difference, as will reading mdrun -h for an explanation of what the -cpt 
option is doing.


-Justin

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Research Scientist
Department of Biochemistry
Virginia Tech
Blacksburg, VA
jalemkul[at]vt.edu | (540) 231-9080
http://www.bevanlab.biochem.vt.edu/Pages/Personal/justin


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Re: [gmx-users] About extend the run,,

2012-06-02 Thread rama david
Thank you Justin for quick reply 

On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Justin A. Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu wrote:



 To perform these task I am using following command
 1. grompp -f New mdp file just change in  saving output  -t .cpt  -c
 .gro
 file(gro file from position restrained run )  -o new.tpr


 2. tpbconv -s new.tpr -0 extend.tpr  -extend 3

 3. mdrun -v -deffnm extend  -cpi .cpt -append

 Is these approach is correct??


 No.  The new.tpr file contains instructions to run from 20 - 30 ns.
  There is no need to then invoke tpbconv.  You would also need a new
 invocation of mdrun, since the output frequencies won't match.  You don't
 want to append those files with mdrun (nor will the checkpoint file likely
 let you)


Extremely Sorry for my carelessness , New mdp files means the same as
previous, with same number of steps, but just change in output frequency

So as per your recommendation and experience  Is any alternative to do
these from 20 ns???



 Second query;

 To rerun the crash run, users give .cpt file as input to -mdrun,
 My query is, There are two cpt file a) pre.cpt  b) .cpt ,
 So which one has to given as input???


 Use gmxcheck to understand the contents of each.  The timestamp will also
 tell you a difference, as will reading mdrun -h for an explanation of what
 the -cpt option is doing


As per the link..
http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/File_Formats/Checkpoint_File
I interpreted following things..

1. I have to use the state.cpt , but in the case  problem to these I have
to use prev.cpt,  I can check there
content by gmxcheck..

 But my Query is What are may be the potential problems ?? and how to
find them ??

Crash the run is very often with my system, that why I am worried..
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Re: [gmx-users] About extend the run,,

2012-06-02 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



On 6/2/12 11:23 AM, rama david wrote:

Thank you Justin for quick reply 

On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Justin A. Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu
mailto:jalem...@vt.edu wrote:



To perform these task I am using following command
1. grompp -f New mdp file just change in  saving output  -t .cpt  -c
.gro
file(gro file from position restrained run )  -o new.tpr


2. tpbconv -s new.tpr -0 extend.tpr  -extend 3

3. mdrun -v -deffnm extend  -cpi .cpt -append

Is these approach is correct??


No.  The new.tpr file contains instructions to run from 20 - 30 ns.  There
is no need to then invoke tpbconv.  You would also need a new invocation of
mdrun, since the output frequencies won't match.  You don't want to append
those files with mdrun (nor will the checkpoint file likely let you)


Extremely Sorry for my carelessness , New mdp files means the same as previous,
with same number of steps, but just change in output frequency

So as per your recommendation and experience  Is any alternative to do these
from 20 ns???



You'll get a mismatch in your files (checkpoint, trajectory, energy) in terms of 
frame interval.  You should not try to append to these files or extend the run. 
 Just run a new simulation from 20 - 30 ns.  The grompp command was correct, 
assuming you set tinit = 2 in the .mdp file and setting nsteps 
appropriately to give another 10 ns.  Then run it as a new simulation.  It will 
still be an extension of the first simulation (since the .cpt preserves the 
previous state), but without the mdrun -cpi -append mechanism, which in this 
case you don't want (or possibly can't use).



Second query;

To rerun the crash run, users give .cpt file as input to -mdrun,
My query is, There are two cpt file a) pre.cpt  b) .cpt ,
So which one has to given as input???


Use gmxcheck to understand the contents of each.  The timestamp will also
tell you a difference, as will reading mdrun -h for an explanation of what
the -cpt option is doing


As per the 
link..http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/File_Formats/Checkpoint_File
I interpreted following things..

1. I have to use the state.cpt , but in the case  problem to these I have to use
prev.cpt,  I can check there
 content by gmxcheck..

  But my Query is What are may be the potential problems ?? and how to find
them ??

Crash the run is very often with my system, that why I am worried..



If you're getting frequent crashes, you should investigate why this is happening 
rather than just plowing ahead.  Are there error messages in the .log or 
stdout/stderr output?  Are your energetic terms sensible?  If the system is 
crashing due to physical instability, you're wasting your time producing junk. 
If the crashes are occurring due to hardware or filesystem instability, that's 
something to take up with your sysadmin.


-Justin

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Research Scientist
Department of Biochemistry
Virginia Tech
Blacksburg, VA
jalemkul[at]vt.edu | (540) 231-9080
http://www.bevanlab.biochem.vt.edu/Pages/Personal/justin


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Re: [gmx-users] About extend the run,,

2012-06-02 Thread rama david
 Thank You  for Quick reply Justin...

On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Justin A. Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu wrote:


 You'll get a mismatch in your files (checkpoint, trajectory, energy) in
 terms of frame interval.  You should not try to append to these files or
 extend the run.  Just run a new simulation from 20 - 30 ns.  The grompp
 command was correct, assuming you set tinit = 2 in the .mdp file and
 setting nsteps appropriately to give another 10 ns.  Then run it as a new
 simulation.  It will still be an extension of the first simulation (since
 the .cpt preserves the previous state), but without the mdrun -cpi -append
 mechanism, which in this case you don't want (or possibly can't use)


I will follow your advice..





 Second query;

To rerun the crash run, users give .cpt file as input to -mdrun,
My query is, There are two cpt file a) pre.cpt  b) .cpt ,
So which one has to given as input???


Use gmxcheck to understand the contents of each.  The timestamp will
 also
tell you a difference, as will reading mdrun -h for an explanation of
 what
the -cpt option is doing


 As per the link..http://www.gromacs.org/**Documentation/File_Formats/**
 Checkpoint_Filehttp://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/File_Formats/Checkpoint_File
 I interpreted following things..

 1. I have to use the state.cpt , but in the case  problem to these I have
 to use
 prev.cpt,  I can check there
 content by gmxcheck..

  But my Query is What are may be the potential problems ?? and how to
 find
 them ??

 Crash the run is very often with my system, that why I am worried..


 If you're getting frequent crashes, you should investigate why this is
 happening rather than just plowing ahead.  Are there error messages in the
 .log or stdout/stderr output?  Are your energetic terms sensible?  If the
 system is crashing due to physical instability, you're wasting your time
 producing junk. If the crashes are occurring due to hardware or filesystem
 instability, that's something to take up with your sysadmin.


 -Justin

Thank you For Advice...
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