Re: [gmx-users] Re: RMSF error when fitting to average structure

2012-08-16 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 8/16/12 3:19 PM, tdgrant1 wrote:

Hi Justin,

I did indeed correct for periodic boundary conditions prior to running rmsf,
so I'm not sure what the problem would be there.



The message you got was a warning, not an error.  The warning is generic and is 
printed by any Gromacs program that does not receive a .tpr file passed to the 
-s flag.  It is not necessarily indicative of any problem but is written to be 
helpful to the user.



Is there any way of producing an average structure from rmsf (or any other
program for that matter) that is not output as a .pdb file but as a .tpr
file?



You can easily produce a .tpr file from any coordinate file using an existing 
topology and .mdp file.  Coordinate files are not generally written in .tpr format.


-Justin
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Re: [gmx-users] Re: RMSF error when fitting to average structure

2012-08-16 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 8/16/12 3:54 PM, tdgrant1 wrote:

Oh okay, thanks.  I didn't realize warnings were just that, only warnings and
didn't stop the program.  The program did not finish however, and the
problem was a Segmentation Fault.  The output literally was:

Select a group: 0
Selected 0: 'System'
Reading frame   0 time0.000
WARNING: if there are broken molecules in the trajectory file,
  they can not be made whole without a run input file

Segmentation fault

Could this be related to the input file, or do you think this is something
else entirely?



Depending on how many atoms are in the entire system (is it a fully solvated 
protein, anything else?) then you probably ran out of memory.  These analyses 
are normally performed only on the solute of interest or a subset of those atoms 
(like a protein backbone).


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Re: [gmx-users] Re: RMSF error when fitting to average structure

2012-08-16 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 8/16/12 4:11 PM, tdgrant1 wrote:

This System as described by group 0 in the previous message is actually
only the solute, a protein-tRNA complex of ~15000 atoms.  I tried running
only the backbone and even only c-alphas (808 atoms total) and I still
received a segmentation fault.



Do the number of atoms in the structure file passed to -s and the number of 
atoms in the trajectory passed to -f match?


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Re: [gmx-users] Re: RMSF error when fitting to average structure

2012-08-16 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 8/16/12 4:19 PM, tdgrant1 wrote:

No they do not.  The trajectory contains all the atoms, including the solvent
(~300,000 atoms), whereas the structure passed to -s is the averaged
structure from the last 60ns of simulation and only includes the non-solvent
atoms (~15,000).  Should I rerun rmsf on the last 60ns but select System
instead of non-solvent, and then use that averaged structure to pass to the
-s flag?



I don't see how getting the average structure of a 300k atom system is 
meaningful - that will certainly chew up lots of memory ;)


What I would suggest is one of the following:

1. Create a .tpr file with your averaged structure from an existing topology and 
run g_rmsf.


2. Use trjconv to create a subset trajectory (.xtc) that matches the number of 
atoms in the reference structure.


3. Avoid ever choosing System for analysis - choose the backbone or whatever 
custom index group you wish to use.  I don't see an inherent problem with using 
the System in the reference structure (your RNA) but you never know when 
there's some curious mismatch in the interpretation down the line.  Could be a 
bug, but I'm not prepared to believe that yet from the evidence at hand.


-Justin

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