Re: Windows front end to a backup utility?

[Ferenc Tamas Gyurcsan]

Hi,

>Any suggestions as how one could back this machine up? 
Following up on this question...I read about the Logical Volume Manager project
some time ago. Actually, I read the Howto of it. My question is if anybody has
tried it, and how suitable it is for production. I mean I wouldn't love to use
my system just because I'm experimenting. But I have to admit I like the LVM of
AIX, so I am strongly thinking about giving it a try on linux. 
How it relates to backup? You put another harddrive into the Volume group, set
it as a mirror (well, this would preferably be the 3rd mirror then, since you
would want to use RAID 1 if it's already supported), sync it, remove that extra
harddrive from that machine, mount it into another VG on another machine (not
that easy, but the idea is this), and then save it to the tape from there.
Really cool. You can take a snapshot, while the system is up for the users.
Well, the sync is going to use some proc time, but otherwise you are still in
multiuser mode. So it would be really nice if it worked on linux.

Ferenc

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Re: ncp printing

[Ferenc Tamas Gyurcsan]

>anyone know a good document on ncp printing ? becuase i cant seem to print to 
> one of my printers on the novell network. i must have a config error or
> something. maybe someone has a sample script i can compare mine too.thanks

My scripts are these, but you can read more about it in the printong howto. I
didn't manage to get it to work with different usernames though. 


ljet2p-filter :
# PostScript
0   %!  filter  /usr/bin/gs  -q -dSAFER -dNOPAUSE -r300 -sDEVICE
=ljet2p -sOutputFile=- - -c quit |/usr/bin/lpr -Pnwlj
0   \004%!  filter  /usr/bin/gs  -q -dSAFER -dNOPAUSE -r300 -sDEVICE
=ljet2p -sOutputFile=- - -c quit |/usr/bin/lpr -Pnwlj

# PDF
0   %PDFfpipe   /usr/bin/gs  -q -dSAFER -dNOPAUSE -r300 -sDEVICE
=ljet2p -sOutputFile=- - -c quit |/usr/bin/lpr -Pnwlj
 

/etc/printcap:
lp|lj|hplj2p|HPLaserjet2P:\
:lp=/dev/null:sd=/var/spool/lpd/hplj2p:\
:sh:pw#80:pl#72:px#1440:mx#0:\
:if=/etc/magicfilter/ljet2p-filter:\
:af=/var/log/lp-acct:lf=/var/log/lp-errs:
nwlj|nwlj|remoteNWprinterLASERJET:\
:lp=/dev/null:sd=/var/spool/lpd/nwlj:\
:sh:pw#80:pl#72:px#1440:mx#0:\
:if=/var/spool/lpd/nprint-script:\
:af=/var/log/lp-acct:lf=/var/log/lp-errs:

/var/spool/lpd/nprint-script:

#! /bin/sh
   /etc/init.d/ipx restart
   /usr/bin/nprint -S vpszk -U gyf -P "mypassword" -qQ_STAR_LASER_4 -

Ferenc

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Re: MySQL and RedHat..

[Thomas Charron]

From: Niall Kavanagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Thu, 18 May 2000, Thomas Charron wrote:
> >   Has anyone managed to get the Perl DBD drivers for MySQL to compile
and
> > install under RedHat 6.2?  I have mysql and mysql-devel installed, but
> Working fine here, but I did install mysql from source (Shame on you Tom!
> The latest 3.23.x release even has replication support)

  It does?  Man, I gotta follow it more..  Usually I would, but with this
particular box, I've been trying to keep it rather 'RedHat Pure' and using
their RPM's for everything..

> My guess is the RPM puts the mysql include dir in some wierd place... did
> you specify the right place when you install DBD::Mysql?

  Nope, I looked, and it just plain doesn't install some of the needed mysql
include files, particularly mysql_version.h which DBD::Mysql uses during
configuration, and errmsg.h, which is used during the compilation.

> Install from source. It's not that bad:
> mysqldump  > database.sql
> configure
> make
> make install
> mysql_install_db
> restart mysql
> run mysql and "source database.sql"

  My end solution was to do the first step for all of the databases, then
rpm -e the mysql packages.  I then pulled the rpm's from mysql.com directly,
which they conviently supply.  After I installed those, I found I actually
didn;t even need to restore the DB's, becouse the -e left all of the ones it
didn't install where they where.  All up and running with 3.22 now, but I
just might start messing with 3.23 to play with the replication support..

  How good is it?  I know Andover.net is throwing money at mysql.com to
bring transactional capabilities to MySQL.  I wonder if that is some of the
fallout from that arangment..


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Re: MySQL and RedHat..

[Niall Kavanagh]

On Thu, 18 May 2000, Thomas Charron wrote:

>   Has anyone managed to get the Perl DBD drivers for MySQL to compile and 
> install under RedHat 6.2?  I have mysql and mysql-devel installed, but 
> apperently the perl package requires many of the include files that mysql-devel 
> simply does not include during the install.  I have many things running under 
> this instance of the DB, and I'd hate to have to go thought the trouble of 
> dumping all of the data, uninstalling the RPM, and installing MySQL myself from 
> a source tarball.  mysql-perl is also pretty much worthless for me, becouse it 
> does *NOT* include the DBD intrefaces, but the raw MySQL interface.  I managed 
> to find the mandrake version of the Msql&Mysql DBD drives, but they are built 
> against Mandrake, who apperently has the sanity of going to Perl 5.6, which RH 
> has yet to go to..
> 

Working fine here, but I did install mysql from source (Shame on you Tom!
The latest 3.23.x release even has replication support)

My guess is the RPM puts the mysql include dir in some wierd place... did
you specify the right place when you install DBD::Mysql?

Install from source. It's not that bad:

mysqldump  > database.sql
configure
make
make install
mysql_install_db
restart mysql
run mysql and "source database.sql"

No more problems and the installation will make sense.

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MySQL and RedHat..

[Thomas Charron]

  Has anyone managed to get the Perl DBD drivers for MySQL to compile and 
install under RedHat 6.2?  I have mysql and mysql-devel installed, but 
apperently the perl package requires many of the include files that mysql-devel 
simply does not include during the install.  I have many things running under 
this instance of the DB, and I'd hate to have to go thought the trouble of 
dumping all of the data, uninstalling the RPM, and installing MySQL myself from 
a source tarball.  mysql-perl is also pretty much worthless for me, becouse it 
does *NOT* include the DBD intrefaces, but the raw MySQL interface.  I managed 
to find the mandrake version of the Msql&Mysql DBD drives, but they are built 
against Mandrake, who apperently has the sanity of going to Perl 5.6, which RH 
has yet to go to..

  *sigh*

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Re: Windows front end to a backup utility?

[k1vp]

>> Original Message <<

On 5/18/00, 4:29:48 PM, "jim t.p. ryan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote 
regarding Re: Windows front end to a backup utility?:

I guess I missed the important first message.  Why don't you simply 
have a cron job for a script that does the backup and sends email 
telling someone if the backup was properly run without error. That 
plus a simple instruction sheet on the computer regarding changing 
tapes ought to do it.  IMHO backup procedures should be automatic to 
the maximum extent possible.

Ed Lawson





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Re: Directions for tonight's meeting

[David Roberts]

Benjamin Scott wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 18 May 2000, Randy Edwards wrote:
> > Can someone point me to a URL with directions to tonight's meeting?  TIA.
> 
> http://www.illuminata.com/contactus/contacts.html
> 
> --
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I *wish* I needed the directions...  But, per Murphy's Law, I will
not be able to make it.  :(

I'll be about a mile away - wishin' I was there.  (Maybe I'll open
up a brew at home tonight to simulate the Growlers the group will be
enjoying... ;)

Maybe next time!

D. Roberts
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   thing that ever happened to Linux..."   -- Jon "Maddog" Hall

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Re: Plea for help: The detriment of using Microsoft products

[Jeffry Smith]

This is my last response on the list:  GO TO THE WEB SITE!  YOU DO NOT
SELF ASSESS!  LEAD ASSESSORS ARE CERTIFIED BY SEI!!

http://www.sei.cmu.edu/managing/appraiser.listing.html#internat

A lot more than 2 (6 in India alone), and a lot more countries.
Took me 2 minutes to get there.  


jeff


On Thu, 18 May 2000, Mike Bilow wrote:

> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:38:29 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Mike Bilow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Jeffry Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: Oommen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
 Kevin D. Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, GNHLUG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
 BLU Users' Group <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Plea for help: The detriment of using Microsoft products 
> 
> What I am saying, and I think this discussion has exceeded the bounds of
> general interest to list subscribers, is that there is a difference
> between self-assessing CMM level and being evaluated by a third party.  
> Anyone can do a self-assessment and be listed on the SEI web site, and
> their listings are entirely on the honor system.
> 
> However, an independent evaluation by a certified third party evaluator,
> needed to satisfy US defense contracting requirements, is not going to be
> a worthwhile expenditure for any organization barred from US defense
> work.  As the SEI site shows, there are actually only two non-US certified
> independent evaluators, and they both work for the UK Ministry of Defence.
> 
> So the situation is that there may be numerous organizations which claim
> to be operating at CMM4 or CMM5, and they are listed on the SEI web site
> as users of the SEI standard.  But there is no possibility that anyone in
> India, for example, is going to be given a contract for a US defense
> critical system requiring CMM evaluation.  This has absolutely nothing to
> do with the actual quality or competence of the organizations in India,
> but is a straightforward national security policy.
> 
> The end result is that organizations in India do self-assessments and
> claim CMM conformance to SEI, which lists them on the web site.  These
> claims could be true, or they could be false: it is entirely based upon
> the unaudited credibility of the organization itself.  SEI views its
> mission as the promotion of CMM as a well-defined standard, and they do
> not get involved in contract requirements or any other private issues.  
> SEI certification is limited to individuals who perform organizational
> assessments and evaluations, but there is no endorsement by SEI of any
> particular organizational assessment or evaluation.
> 
> There may well be many organizations which choose to use CMM methodology
> for non-defense work.  Some of them may even be in India.  However, it
> must be understood that all we really know about such organizations which
> are not independently evaluated in connection with defense work is that
> they are claiming CMM conformance only on the basis of self-assessment.
> 
> -- Mike
> 
> 
> On 2000-05-18 at 14:30 -0400, Jeffry Smith wrote:
> 
> > Again, I direct you to look at the site (www.sei.cmu.edu)!  CMM
> > Started with the DoD, but is actually used by many others.  You made
> > an assumption that because DoD started it, they're the only ones to
> > use it.  I'll point out that a lot of our industry started 
> > for the DoD (including COBOL and computers in general).  And, I'll
> > point out that the purpose of CMM5 is to generate bug-free code, quickly
> > and efficiently.  DoD has a strong interest because of critical
> > systems.  Are you saying that no one else wants bug-free code,
> > generated in an efficient manner?
> 
> 
> 


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Re: Windows front end to a backup utility?

[Karl J. Runge]

On Thu, 18 May 2000, "jim t.p. ryan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Anyway, so I don't reinvent the wheel, does anybody know of a web based
> interface to a backup program?

Here's one:

Backup linuxbox

Seriously, you may find something like that (amanda?) but it is
somewhat dicey because is it a web interface to running commands as
root. As I said in an earlier email, if you have to do it yourself, you
may want to construct a cron job that does the backup, and have the web
interface be a simple CGI that drops "flag files" to instruct the cron
job script what or whether it should do the backup.

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GNOME font sizes

[Benjamin Scott]

On Thu, 18 May 2000, Dave hardy wrote:
> Running Gnome and if I can have just one little freebie answer to
> something, how can I make the font size bigger on my screen?  Just got
> bifocals, and being an old man I need bigger letters on that baby.

  Open the GNOME Main Menu (the "foot" icon)
  Choose "Settings", and then "GNOME Control Center"
  Under "Desktop", choose the "Theme Selector"
  Under "User Font", enable "Use custom font"
  Click the button, and choose a font with a bigger size

> Thanks much to you and the others for providing me with at least as much
> info and tips in the week to ten days I've been on the list as I've had
> from the RH manuals and other docs so far.  I stand ready to help out with
> any possible assistance I can provide.

  No problem.  We welcome all comers.  :-)

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Re: Windows front end to a backup utility?

[jim t.p. ryan]

Sorry about the wrap, but I have to use a web based mail client here at work.

Anyway, so I don't reinvent the wheel, does anybody know of a web based interface to a 
backup program?

Sincerely,
Jim Ryan






-Original Message-
From:Kevin D. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:Thu, 18 May 2000 16:27:59 -0400 (EDT)
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Windows front end to a backup utility?



jim t.p. ryan writes:

[please wrap your lines at around 75 columns]

> But here is the problem that I have.  This application is one that I
> want to put on a machine that, in all other respects, has a very
> intuitive web interface.  One adds users, shares, printers etc via
> this.  It would be installed in an office with NO unix expertise.  I
> would forsee the type of small office where there is probably one
> fairly technical savvy person that knows his/her way around
> windows/dos, but that's it.

The various schemes for backing up this particular system, implemented
in terms ot tar/dump/Amanda/whatever could all be accessible via a simple
web interface.  Combine this with a little bit of training and
documentation, and you'd have a solution.  It might be as simple as
telling this "fairly techical savvy person" to throw a tape into the
machine and press a certain button via their web browser (then, when
they come back in the morning, label the tape...)

I'm telling you that a CGI/PHP script to facilitate this would be
pretty easy to just throw together.  If you don't have the time or
skill to do this, you could certainly hire somebody.

Naturally, if you're running some kind of 24x7 service off of this box
and you can't afford *any* data corruption, then things become a
little bit more involved.  But for a small office, this would probably
work great.

--kevin
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Re: Windows front end to a backup utility?

[Kevin D. Clark]

jim t.p. ryan writes:

[please wrap your lines at around 75 columns]

> But here is the problem that I have.  This application is one that I
> want to put on a machine that, in all other respects, has a very
> intuitive web interface.  One adds users, shares, printers etc via
> this.  It would be installed in an office with NO unix expertise.  I
> would forsee the type of small office where there is probably one
> fairly technical savvy person that knows his/her way around
> windows/dos, but that's it.

The various schemes for backing up this particular system, implemented
in terms ot tar/dump/Amanda/whatever could all be accessible via a simple
web interface.  Combine this with a little bit of training and
documentation, and you'd have a solution.  It might be as simple as
telling this "fairly techical savvy person" to throw a tape into the
machine and press a certain button via their web browser (then, when
they come back in the morning, label the tape...)

I'm telling you that a CGI/PHP script to facilitate this would be
pretty easy to just throw together.  If you don't have the time or
skill to do this, you could certainly hire somebody.

Naturally, if you're running some kind of 24x7 service off of this box
and you can't afford *any* data corruption, then things become a
little bit more involved.  But for a small office, this would probably
work great.

--kevin
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Re: Windows front end to a backup utility?

[jim t.p. ryan]

Derek (and others)

Thanks for all the pointers.  I have LOTS to play with tonight.  By the way, who is 
the publisher on that book?

But here is the problem that I have.  This application is one that I want to put on a 
machine that, in all other respects, has a very intuitive web interface.  One adds 
users, shares, printers etc via this.  It would be installed in an office with NO unix 
expertise.  I would forsee the type of small office where there is probably one fairly 
technical savvy person that knows his/her way around windows/dos, but that's it.  

Although all these suggestions are good for me.  No way the it will apply to the 
situation above.  And I wouldn't want to have to go in daily or weekly and check it.  
I would want to train the above mentioned individual to do it while I trained him/her 
in the other tasks.  I think you all get my drift.

Otherwise, if Joe accidently deletes a file, I'll be getting a call to come in and get 
it back for him.

Sincerely,
Jim Ryan
http://www.nc4u.com 






-Original Message-
From:Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:Thu, 18 May 2000 15:06:33 -0400 (EDT)
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Windows front end to a backup utility?


On Thu, 18 May 2000, jim t.p. ryan wrote:

> Picture a small office.  All client machines are winsdows based (NTWK or Win9x).  
>One Linux based file/print server.  People will use this as a common share as well as 
>personal shares.  No monitor keyboard or mouse on the box.  Configured and managed 
>from a browser.
> 
> Any suggestions as how one could back this machine up?  I don't want
> to leave any of the client machines up at night.  All the shares will
> be on the same physical device.  

Yes... see below.

> I could put a tape drive in the Linux box.

Right.

> So the backup would have to be entirely managed from a client in
> terms of scheduling it and verifying it, as well as ever recovering
> files from the tape.

No.  Manage it from the Linux box.  Write a suitable script using dump(8) 
or tar(1).  Use cron to automate it.  See:

   man 8 dump

and

   man 1 tar

Then, when you need to figure out how to restore files, see:

  man 8 restore

or 

  man 1 tar

There is a good section on data archiving in Evi Nemeth's (et. al.)
_Unix_System_Administration_Handbook_.  I suggest you give it a good
once-over. 

Note to all GNHLUGers:  Based on the number of times Paul and I have
mentioned this book, in order to save us both typing in the future, I'm
going to tell you now, GO GET THIS BOOK AND READ IT COVER TO COVER.  It
WILL solve all your problems.  :)


-- 
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Re: Windows front end to a backup utility?

[Benjamin Scott]

On Thu, 18 May 2000, Derek Martin wrote:
> There is a good section on data archiving in Evi Nemeth's (et. al.)
> _Unix_System_Administration_Handbook_.  I suggest you give it a good
> once-over. 
> 
> Note to all GNHLUGers:  Based on the number of times Paul and I have
> mentioned this book, in order to save us both typing in the future, I'm
> going to tell you now, GO GET THIS BOOK AND READ IT COVER TO COVER.  It
> WILL solve all your problems.  :)

  It is a good book, although it is a bit dated, and pretty much completely
ignores the free Unixes.  :(  Sure, it kind of pre-dates Linux, the BSDs have
been around a lot longer.  For commercial Unix systems, though, you'd be hard
pressed to beat it.

  I'd also recommend "Essential System Administration" by AEleen Frisch (from
O'Reilly), which *does* cover Linux issues.  Also, the "System Administrator's
Guide" and "Network Administrator's Guide", part of the LDP, are pretty good,
and free, too.  http://www.linuxdoc.org for those.

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Re: Windows front end to a backup utility?

[Derek Martin]

On Thu, 18 May 2000, jim t.p. ryan wrote:

> Picture a small office.  All client machines are winsdows based (NTWK or Win9x).  
>One Linux based file/print server.  People will use this as a common share as well as 
>personal shares.  No monitor keyboard or mouse on the box.  Configured and managed 
>from a browser.
> 
> Any suggestions as how one could back this machine up?  I don't want
> to leave any of the client machines up at night.  All the shares will
> be on the same physical device.  

Yes... see below.

> I could put a tape drive in the Linux box.

Right.

> So the backup would have to be entirely managed from a client in
> terms of scheduling it and verifying it, as well as ever recovering
> files from the tape.

No.  Manage it from the Linux box.  Write a suitable script using dump(8) 
or tar(1).  Use cron to automate it.  See:

   man 8 dump

and

   man 1 tar

Then, when you need to figure out how to restore files, see:

  man 8 restore

or 

  man 1 tar

There is a good section on data archiving in Evi Nemeth's (et. al.)
_Unix_System_Administration_Handbook_.  I suggest you give it a good
once-over. 

Note to all GNHLUGers:  Based on the number of times Paul and I have
mentioned this book, in order to save us both typing in the future, I'm
going to tell you now, GO GET THIS BOOK AND READ IT COVER TO COVER.  It
WILL solve all your problems.  :)


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Mission Critical Linux
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Re: More statistics from LBS

[Dave hardy]

Greetings,
 
There is also a smaller LUG here in Vermont, http://www.slug-vt.org and maybe there would 
be some interest in holding joint meetings, installfests and the like near a 
central location, such as the New London to Lebanon to Hanover to White River 
Junction area.  
 
Dave
 
 
 
Maybe for next year's show, we advertise "so good, we bring in 
peoplefrom around the US!" :-)Not surprising, given the 
location.  Shows we've probably got to domore advertising outside the 
local area, 
Jeffry 
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Consultant Mission Critical 
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Re: xfs startup?

[Jeffry Smith]

On Thu, 18 May 2000, Derek Martin wrote:

> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:53:30 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Derek Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Jeffry Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], GNHLUG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: xfs startup?
> 
> On Thu, 18 May 2000, Jeffry Smith wrote:
> 
> > Situation:
> > When I start X from the command line, no problems (configured for
> > 1280x1024, 16 bit color default)
> > When I use RL 5, I get a flickering screen, with the monitor trying to
> > come up, but not working.
> 
> P.S.  I must say, I find this odd.  Not impossible, but odd.  The same X
> config file... so it should work both ways.  Have you hacked your X init
> scripts?
> 

Not when I did the 6.2 install.  Used XF86Setup, the system came right
up.  (Xconfigurator, RH's tool, on the other hand, managed to
massively hose X)

jeff

> 
> 


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RE: Help! (and a new question)

[Benjamin Scott]

On Thu, 18 May 2000, Taylor, Chris wrote:
> Perhaps it is sacrilege to ask, but since I have never set up an FTP
> distribution point before, can I use NT with IIS to do this?

  Yes.  Use the "IIS Administrator" or "Microsoft Management Console"
utilities to setup anonymous FTP access.  By default, I believe the files are
placed under C:\INETPUB\FTPROOT.

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Re: xfs startup?

[Derek Martin]

On Thu, 18 May 2000, Jeffry Smith wrote:

> Situation:
> When I start X from the command line, no problems (configured for
> 1280x1024, 16 bit color default)
> When I use RL 5, I get a flickering screen, with the monitor trying to
> come up, but not working.

P.S.  I must say, I find this odd.  Not impossible, but odd.  The same X
config file... so it should work both ways.  Have you hacked your X init
scripts?


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Re: Anyone know what rpm bonobo.h is in?

[Paul Lussier]

In a message dated: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:50:09 EDT
Rich Payne said:

>
>Yes, it's in the bonobo RPM :)
>
>Actually, there might mot be an RPM for this. There's a link to the tar
>file at HelixCode. It's a fairly new component and I don't think any
>current gnome stuff depends on it.

A.  That would explain it :)
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Re: Windows front end to a backup utility?

[Paul Lussier]

In a message dated: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:23:49 PDT
"jim t.p. ryan" said:

>True, and I'll have to read about rsync, but I was hoping for something a litt
>le more "traditional" in terms of rotation and off-site storage.

Well, can you log into the linux box via telnet, rlogin, ssh, etc?

If you can get a shell account, you could install something like BRU or if 
your adventurous, you could go with AMANDA, my personal favorite.

Slap a tape drive, ZIP/JAZZ, or CD-R drive on the thing, and away you go.

Configure it up, set up a cron job, and you're done!
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RE: Help! (and a new question)

[Taylor, Chris]

I do have a couple of ethernet cards available that I can plug into the
machine which I are included as options within linuxconfig.  

Perhaps it is sacrilege to ask, but since I have never set up an FTP
distribution point before, can I use NT with IIS to do this?  Unfortunately
I don't have any Linux boxes available at present.  

 - Chris

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> NEW QUESTION: I'm not sure if this is off base or not, but I would also
like
> to know if there is a way of installing Linux from floppy (to include dual
> processor support) as the (non-flashable) BIOS on an old dual processor
> 486DX I have will not support anything larger than a 520Meg HDD and
> therefore cannot read the RedHat installation CD.  My goal is to make it
> into a router with RedHat.  Currently I have copies of RedHat 5.2 and 6.0.

Does it have an ethernet card?  NFS installs are much easier than floppy
installs...

ccb

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Re: xfs startup?

[Derek Martin]

On Thu, 18 May 2000, Jeffry Smith wrote:

> can you throw xfs into the xinit to auto start it on X launch?  I
> often start X from the command line, do to problems with either GDM
> or X on my system.  

I don't see why not...


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Re: xfs startup?

[Paul Lussier]

In a message dated: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:36:02 EDT
Jeffry Smith said:

>can you throw xfs into the xinit to auto start it on X launch? 

This is the default on RH.
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Re: Anyone know what rpm bonobo.h is in?

[Jeffry Smith]

I just found bonobo on the helixcode site:
http://a1180.g.akamai.net/7/1180/1405/25111225/www.helixcode.com/apps/evolution-preview/bonobo-0.12.tar.gz

I assume bonobo.h is in there.

jeff


On Thu, 18 May 2000, Paul
Lussier wrote:

> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:43:15 -0400
> From: Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Anyone know what rpm bonobo.h is in?
> 
> 
> I'm trying to build something which requires is, and, though you'd think that 
> between an "Install Everything" under RH and complete Helix-Code install, I'd 
> have it, I don't!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 


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Re: Anyone know what rpm bonobo.h is in?

[Rich Payne]

Yes, it's in the bonobo RPM :)

Actually, there might mot be an RPM for this. There's a link to the tar
file at HelixCode. It's a fairly new component and I don't think any
current gnome
stuff depends on it.

http://www.helixcode.com/apps/evolution-preview/index.php3

--rdp

On Thu, 18 May 2000, Paul Lussier wrote:

> 
> I'm trying to build something which requires is, and, though you'd think that 
> between an "Install Everything" under RH and complete Helix-Code install, I'd 
> have it, I don't!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 

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Anyone know what rpm bonobo.h is in?

[Paul Lussier]

I'm trying to build something which requires is, and, though you'd think that 
between an "Install Everything" under RH and complete Helix-Code install, I'd 
have it, I don't!

Thanks,


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Re: Plea for help: The detriment of using Microsoft products

[Jeffry Smith]

On Thu, 18 May 2000, Mike Bilow wrote:

> This has little or nothing to do with India in particular.  The gist of my
> statements was (1) the whole purpose of CMM5 in practice is to satisfy US
> defense contracts for critical systems software that runs things like
> military aircraft, and (2) the US does not contract out the development of
> critical defense tasks to India.  It is entirely irrelevant what the
> capabilities are of Indian science and technology: the US is simply not
> going to let India build US military systems.  This is just common sense.
> 
> -- Mike
> 

Again, I direct you to look at the site (www.sei.cmu.edu)!  CMM
Started with the DoD, but is actually used by many others.  You made
an assumption that because DoD started it, they're the only ones to
use it.  I'll point out that a lot of our industry started 
for the DoD (including COBOL and computers in general).  And, I'll
point out that the purpose of CMM5 is to generate bug-free code, quickly
and efficiently.  DoD has a strong interest because of critical
systems.  Are you saying that no one else wants bug-free code,
generated in an efficient manner?

jeff


> 
> On 2000-05-18 at 12:53 -0400, Oommen Thomas wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 16 May 2000, Mike Bilow wrote:
> * * *
> > I do not believe there are any CMM5 operations in India.  There may well
> > be places that claim to be at CMM5, but this is not like ISO9000 where the
> > main qualification is to write a big enough check.  I am quite certain
> > that the US DoD does not contract out critical software to India.
> > 
> > Let me quote what I read in another mail just now...
> > 
> > "Be careful with blanket statements, sweeping generalizations, and, when
> > stating opinions, clarify it is an opinion, and be ready to back it up."
> > 
> > Does Mr Bilow have anything to backup his remarks on the IT industry in
> > India?  I feel, underestimating the capabilities of 'third world'
> > countries like India is a big mistake at least in terms of science &
> > technology.
> 
> 


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Re: Windows front end to a backup utility?

[jim t.p. ryan]

> Picture a small office.  All client machines are winsdows based (NTWK or Win9x).  
>One Linux based file/print server.  People will use this as a common share as well as 
>personal shares.  No monitor keyboard or mouse on the box.  Configured and managed 
>from a browser.

Sounds like a customer, no?
>>Not yet...;+}


> Any suggestions as how one could back this machine up?  I don't want to leave any of 
>the client machines up at night.  All the shares will be on the same physical device. 
> I could put a tape drive in the Linux box.  So the backup would have to be entirely 
>managed from a client in terms of scheduling it and verifying it, as well as ever 
>recovering files from the tape.

Don't forget a 2nd disk can also function as a useful backup too. Don't know
enough about your situation to decide.  

With 2nd disk, could use rsync(1) ...

True, and I'll have to read about rsync, but I was hoping for something a little more 
"traditional" in terms of rotation and off-site storage.

Best,

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Re: Plea for help: The detriment of using Microsoft products

[Mike Bilow]

This has little or nothing to do with India in particular.  The gist of my
statements was (1) the whole purpose of CMM5 in practice is to satisfy US
defense contracts for critical systems software that runs things like
military aircraft, and (2) the US does not contract out the development of
critical defense tasks to India.  It is entirely irrelevant what the
capabilities are of Indian science and technology: the US is simply not
going to let India build US military systems.  This is just common sense.

-- Mike


On 2000-05-18 at 12:53 -0400, Oommen Thomas wrote:

> On Tue, 16 May 2000, Mike Bilow wrote:
* * *
> I do not believe there are any CMM5 operations in India.  There may well
> be places that claim to be at CMM5, but this is not like ISO9000 where the
> main qualification is to write a big enough check.  I am quite certain
> that the US DoD does not contract out critical software to India.
> 
> Let me quote what I read in another mail just now...
> 
> "Be careful with blanket statements, sweeping generalizations, and, when
> stating opinions, clarify it is an opinion, and be ready to back it up."
> 
> Does Mr Bilow have anything to backup his remarks on the IT industry in
> India?  I feel, underestimating the capabilities of 'third world'
> countries like India is a big mistake at least in terms of science &
> technology.




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Windows front end to a backup utility?

[jim t.p. ryan]

Picture a small office.  All client machines are winsdows based (NTWK or Win9x).  One 
Linux based file/print server.  People will use this as a common share as well as 
personal shares.  No monitor keyboard or mouse on the box.  Configured and managed 
from a browser.

Any suggestions as how one could back this machine up?  I don't want to leave any of 
the client machines up at night.  All the shares will be on the same physical device.  
I could put a tape drive in the Linux box.  So the backup would have to be entirely 
managed from a client in terms of scheduling it and verifying it, as well as ever 
recovering files from the tape.

Sincerely,
Jim Ryan

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Re: xfs startup?

[Jeffry Smith]

can you throw xfs into the xinit to auto start it on X launch?  I
often start X from the command line, do to problems with either GDM
or X on my system.  

(for those who are interested to help):
Dual PPro 166 w/12MB of memory, Tyan motherboard.
S3 Trio3D video card (I know, lousy support, but it's what I
currently have)
X 3.3.5
October GNOME w/Helix update as of 29 April
PowerDisplay20 monitor

Situation:
When I start X from the command line, no problems (configured for
1280x1024, 16 bit color default)
When I use RL 5, I get a flickering screen, with the monitor trying to
come up, but not working.

jeff

On Thu, 18 May 2000,
Derek Martin wrote:

> On Thu, 18 May 2000, David Kramer wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I accidentally turned off starting up xfs on my RH6.1 box.  Can someone
> > with this release list all their files under /etc/rc.d/rc* symlinked to
> > /etc/rc.d/init.d/xfs?
> 
> Just run 
> 
>   chkconfig --level 5 xfs on
> 
> and you should be all set.  You shouldn't need to run it in any other
> runlevel (besides 5) since they are non-X runlevels.  The only excetpion
> is if you are acting as a font server for other machines, which isn't very
> common anymore.
> 
> 


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Re: Help! (and a new question)

[ccb]

> NEW QUESTION: I'm not sure if this is off base or not, but I would also like
> to know if there is a way of installing Linux from floppy (to include dual
> processor support) as the (non-flashable) BIOS on an old dual processor
> 486DX I have will not support anything larger than a 520Meg HDD and
> therefore cannot read the RedHat installation CD.  My goal is to make it
> into a router with RedHat.  Currently I have copies of RedHat 5.2 and 6.0.

Does it have an ethernet card?  NFS installs are much easier than floppy
installs...

ccb

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UCITA Is famous worldwide ;-)

[Kenneth E. Lussier]

In case anyone missed it, the C8 conference is saying that UCITA could
"Undo all of the security work that has been done to date". Gotta love
press like that ;-)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_752000/752180.stm

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Dinner Reservations

[Paul Lussier]

Hi all,

Reservations under my name and are for 17:30 (that's 5:30 p.m. for
you DOS folks :)

We may not be on the platform, though I asked for it.  More likely they'll set 
us up on tables along the brew tanks.


( I'll be asking that they run taps from the tanks directly to the tables :)


Seeya tonight :)


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GNHLUG Video Team needs VCR

[Jeffry Smith]

Bayard can't make tonight's show.  I'm willing to bring my camcorder
again, if someone has a VCR.  I also need a tripod, as I didn't get to
the store over the weekend to buy one. 

Any help appreciated.  

jeff
GNHLUG amateur camera person

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Re: Help! (and a new question)

[Kenneth E. Lussier]

 > On Thu, 18 May 2000, Taylor, Chris wrote:
> 
> >
> > NEW QUESTION: I'm not sure if this is off base or not, but I would also like
> > to know if there is a way of installing Linux from floppy (to include dual
> > processor support) as the (non-flashable) BIOS on an old dual processor
> > 486DX I have will not support anything larger than a 520Meg HDD and
> > therefore cannot read the RedHat installation CD.  My goal is to make it
> > into a router with RedHat.  Currently I have copies of RedHat 5.2 and 6.0.

Someone may have already mentioned this, but Linux doesn't care what the
BIOS says. My former firewall was a 486DX with the 512MB limit, and I had a
2.5GB drive in there. My webserver (A P-75) BIOS is limited to 2GB and I
have a 13GB drive in that. Do a network install from a different machine if
the CD is giving you trouble (although I never had that problem) and
install it, set the BIOS hard drive settings to AUTO and set it to not stop
on errors. The BIOS will bitch and whine, then turn it over to the OS and
Linux will happily chug along.
Kenny   

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Re: More statistics from LBS

[Jeffry Smith]

> Question: How did you hear about the show.
> 
> Friend: 18Email list: 7   Invited: 1  Other: 23   Company: 5
> 
> NHCTC: 2  Periodicals: 10  PublicRadio: 1  Flyer: 2
> 
> Total: 69
> 
> What OS do you use now?
> 
> Win 95/98: 10 Win NT: 20  Linux: 31   Solaris: 2  Mac: 3
> 
> BSD: 2True64Unix: 1
> 
> Total: 69
> 
> Where did they come from:

> NH: 47  MA: 6   ME: 9   CA: 1   NJ: 2   RI: 1   Unknown: 2

Since, besides "other" Friend was the major category, I'm not
surprised we had mainly NH.  NJ, CA?  Wow, were they there with
friends?

Maybe for next year's show, we advertise "so good, we bring in people
from around the US!" :-)

> Which Lug are they closest to:

> Monadlug: 5 SLUG: 53Merrilug: 7 Central: 3
> Unknown: 1

Not surprising, given the location.  Shows we've probably got to do
more advertising outside the local area, maybe figure some way to get
on the interview shows prior to the show next year (The Connection on
NPR, anyone listen to commercial radio or watch TV who can tell us
what the talk shows are that the business folks listen to / watch in
the local area?)

   
  

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Re: Thanks and I'll keep at it.

[Paul Lussier]

In a message dated: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:26:28 EDT
"David P. Greenberg" said:

>Just wanted to thank everybody for the days worth of truly fascinating
>reading.

You're quite welcome, glad we could entertain you :)

>I actually did learn a lot, including to never say anything pro MS again :-)

Now I wouldn't say that.  You can say plenty of positive things about MS here
(be quiet Ben ;)

MS has done amazing things with easily usable, use friendly interfaces.  They 
have one of the most feature rich Office Suites available on the market 
(despite the fact it's riddled with security holes).  They've introduced 
computing to the "common person".  They've done a lot of good, positive 
things.  Unfortunately, the negative seems to vastly outweigh the postive.

If were just so simple as their software were bloated, slow, and inflexible, 
you'd probably not see as much animosity aimed at them.  However, those 3 
things are just the cornerstones they've decided to build upon.  There's a 
whole skyscraper's worth of other things :)

>I am going to try to find some time to get to the meetings, but my schedule is
>really hectic (as I'm sure, are yours). Anyway, I really do enjoy using Linux
>and am certainly enjoying the challenge of learning how to use it. 

Well, there are meetings all over the place, check the calendar at the 
website, and feel free to drop in to any one of them.  And feel free to ask 
questions on the list, that's what we're here for :)


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Re: I Need more coffee (was Plea for help: The detriment of using Microsoft products, Bombing of Dresdin, and a few other subj.'s)

[Paul Lussier]

In a message dated: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:51:22 EDT
"Kenneth E. Lussier" said:

>"David P. Greenberg" wrote:
>
>> Yes, um sure, uh fix it ,right. I don't think I know anybody who has the
>> slightest idea what to do with source code. My car came with a transmission,
>> but if it doesn't work, I doubt I'm gonna be pullin kick down bands and
>> adjusting planetary gears. ("common" user, remember?).

You don't need to know what to do with it yourself.  Let me ask this, when you 
bought your car, would you have bought the same car from the same manufacturer 
if the hood were welded shut and the warranty stated that you could *ONLY* get 
your car repaired, tuned up, or oil changed *BY THE MANUFACTURER*?

Probably not.  So if you wouldn't buy a car that way, why would you want to 
buy software that way.  With Open Source/Free software if you don't like the 
way something works, you have the *opportunity* to look at the code, make 
changes to it, or pay someone *OF YOUR CHOICE* to maintain it for you.  Just 
like you may have chosen to bring your car down the street to the local garage 
to get your repairs or oil changed, or chosen to change your own oil.

You may not change your own oil, or perform your own car repairs, but there 
are plenty of people who do.  And they would not like being told they must 
return to the manufacturer for all repairs, just like I don't want to be told 
that I must return to the software vendor for all bug fixes.

Additionally, though you may know nothing about programming, you may choose at 
a later date you want to learn (you did say your goal was to learn as much 
about computers as possible, didn't you?)  What better way to learn about 
programming than to look at the actual code of real programs?
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Re: Help!

[jim t.p. ryan]

Where's the Globe Plaza?

Sincerely,
Jim Ryan






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Subject: Re: Help!


On Wed, 17 May 2000, Tom Rauschenbach wrote:

> I know this is weird, but if anybody has a $200 Win 95 machine (needs no
> monitor, keyboard etc.) that you want to get rid of I need it.  Its gotta have
> a working (yeah I know) Win 95 on it and a parallel port.  Time is of the
> essence.  Sorry for two off topic posts in one night.
> A 486 is OK.

If the guy's still there, try the flea market in the Globe Plaza in
Nashua.  The box I'm using for my web server was $150 (It is a P133 and
had 32MB RAM, 1.3GB HD, and a working (though unlicensed) copy of
Win95.)

When you go in, turn right and go towards the Nintendo/Avon booth, ang
go towards the back from there.  

I hope he's still there... I could use a new bvox soon...



Brian

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Re: what are the FTP security risks?

[Kenneth E. Lussier]

Brice Gibson wrote:
> 
> We are opening an FTP server to the Internet.  The FTP server potentially
> will handle multiple simultaneous connections.
> 
> The FTP server is a private server requiring a username and password.
> Yes we are running M$ and SQL Server, but will migrate to UNIX and probably
> Oracle before the year is out.

Username/password authentication is only as stron as the users want it to
be. And, since FTP does clear text authentication, it is trivial to sniff
the username/password off the wire. 
 
> Questions:
> 1.  Generally speaking is there a limit on simultaneous FTP connections?
> 2.  Are usernames and passwords sent via clear text?

YES! This is why SSH or OpenSSH are a better choice. There are actually
several reasons that scp is better than ftp:

1) Choice of encrypted passwords or public/private key exchange.
2) Easier (IMHO) to script a reoccuring file transfer.
3) Multi-layer security: passphrase for key, key for login, encrypted data. 

> 3.  If so, what do you suggest to encrypt them? (VPN?)

A VPN is totally different from a file transfer service. If you want to set
up a VPN, then there is absolutly no need for an FTP server on the `net,
since the users will be on the same LAN as the server they want to get to. 

> 4.  Are there any other security risks (besides the security hole called
> Win2000) that I should be aware of?

At presant, there is no possable way to secure Win2K. Especially if it is
running IIS. IIS requires 3 "Application" Accounts in order to run, and
those accounts have to have administrator priveledges (this is all done
during the IIS install). The kicker here is that the system creates the
passwords for the application accounts and you can't change them or IIS
will stop working. It's a feature.  

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RE: Help! (and a new question)

[Jeffry Smith]

On Thu, 18 May 2000, Taylor, Chris wrote:

> 
> NEW QUESTION: I'm not sure if this is off base or not, but I would also like
> to know if there is a way of installing Linux from floppy (to include dual
> processor support) as the (non-flashable) BIOS on an old dual processor
> 486DX I have will not support anything larger than a 520Meg HDD and
> therefore cannot read the RedHat installation CD.  My goal is to make it
> into a router with RedHat.  Currently I have copies of RedHat 5.2 and 6.0.
> 

Another option is to try out the Linux Router project:
http://www.linuxrouter.org/

jeff

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Re: Thanks and I'll keep at it.

[Jeffry Smith]

On Wed, 17 May 2000, David P. Greenberg wrote:

> 
> Just wanted to thank everybody for the days worth of truly fascinating reading.
> I actually did learn a lot, including to never say anything pro MS again :-) I

I wouldn't say don't say anything pro MS, just be careful that what
you say is very well backed up.  Be careful with blanket statements,
sweeping generalizations, and, when stating opinions, clarify it is an
opinion, and be ready to back it up.  


> am going to try to find some time to get to the meetings, but my schedule is
> really hectic (as I'm sure, are yours). Anyway, I really do enjoy using Linux
> and am certainly enjoying the challenge of learning how to use it. 
>   --

Feel free to ask questions where you don't understand something.
We're here to help.

jeff


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RE: Help! (and a new question)

[Karl J. Runge]

On Thu, 18 May 2000, "Taylor, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> NEW QUESTION: I'm not sure if this is off base or not, but I would also like
> to know if there is a way of installing Linux from floppy (to include dual
> processor support) as the (non-flashable) BIOS on an old dual processor
> 486DX I have will not support anything larger than a 520Meg HDD and
> therefore cannot read the RedHat installation CD.  My goal is to make it
> into a router with RedHat.  Currently I have copies of RedHat 5.2 and 6.0.

If you can't read the CD and you have a 2nd computer you can try to do
a net-install over ethernet or even PLIP (parallel port). I did a PLIP
net-install of RH to my laptop before I had any other sort of
networking set up.

Just mount the CD on the existing machine and export via NFS or 
do an FTP install.


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Thanks and I'll keep at it.

[David P. Greenberg]

Just wanted to thank everybody for the days worth of truly fascinating reading.
I actually did learn a lot, including to never say anything pro MS again :-) I
am going to try to find some time to get to the meetings, but my schedule is
really hectic (as I'm sure, are yours). Anyway, I really do enjoy using Linux
and am certainly enjoying the challenge of learning how to use it. 
  --

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Re: what are the FTP security risks?

[Paul Lussier]

In a message dated: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:06:48 EDT
Brice Gibson said:

>We are opening an FTP server to the Internet.  The FTP server potentially 
>will handle multiple simultaneous connections.
>
>The FTP server is a private server requiring a username and password.
>Yes we are running M$ and SQL Server, but will migrate to UNIX and probably 
>Oracle before the year is out.
>
>Questions:
>1. Generally speaking is there a limit on simultaneous FTP connections?
>2. Are usernames and passwords sent via clear text?
>3. If so, what do you suggest to encrypt them? (VPN?)
>4. Are there any other security risks (besides the security hole called 
>   Win2000) that I should be aware of?

Are you saying that the ftp server you're planning on placing on the 'net is a 
Win2k server?  If so, there's not much I can say about securing it, since IIS 
and SQL server have more holes than a sieve.

If it's a Linux box, I recommend looking at Evi Nemeth's "System 
Administrator's Handbook" and reading up on how to set up ftp servers.

For security purposes, I would recommend using OpenSSH if you're really 
concerned, since yes, normal ftp does send usernames/passwords in cleartext.
(For anon ftp this isn't a big deal, for secure ftp it is!).

Good luck.
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Re: More stats - LBS

[Jeffry Smith]

On Wed, 17 May 2000, Jerry Kubeck wrote:

> 
> Which Lug are they closest to:
> 
> Monadlug: 5   SLUG: 53Merrilug: 7 Central: 3  Unknown: 1
> 
> 
> Here are some more semi-final calculations:
> 
> Sponsors:  Donated   $1,900.00
> GNHLUG Spent $1,834.57
> 
> Those companies were: Metro Link, Mission Critical Linux, Net Technologies,
> and Micro Smart.
> 
> We certainly owe them a BIG thank you, which I will be doing soon.
> 
> Balance for the GNHLUG kitty looks to be $ 65.43. Please don't rush out and
> spend it all in one place. This figure is the first pass through the
> numbers.
> 
> Members who contributed to the show
> 
> Hitchcock Staffing (Lori) $200 for 100 for Red Hat Cd's to pre-registrants.
> (31)
> 
> Paul Lussier   approx $100 for 100 CD's burned to sell of the latest
> distros
> 
> BearPaw Tech (me)  approx $2,900 for t-shirts, mugs, and misc stuff.
> 
> Sold; 30 t-shirts 53 mugs 41 disks
> 
> 
> Sales figures are still being complied as there are several IOU's out plus
> there were some pre-sales that need to be counted.
> 
> So, our first event, it looks like the show broke even plus a little.
> 
> Jerry
> 

Ack - how can we be on the cutting edge of technology and show a profit?  

Thanks to all the vendors, and to you.  I think we're showing something of a loss 
until the merchandise gets sold, but I suppose it could have been worse.

jeff


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Re:I Need more coffee

[Bayard Coolidge USG ZKO3-3/S20]

Jeffry Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>>> However, you have the option of taking it to your local mechanic
>>>  or to a "chain garage"

All of whom have, or can readily obtain, the exploded parts diagram
for your transmission and figure out how it's put together. THAT, IMNSHO,
is the real key here. Otherwise, you would be locked into going back
to the dealer/manufacturer.

Bayard

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Re:I Need more coffee

[Jeffry Smith]

On Wed, 17 May 2000, David P. Greenberg wrote:

> 
> Once upon a time, Kenneth E. Lussier spake thus:
>
> :-) As to your comments about software being free on Windows and Linux,
> :-)this is quite true. There is quite a bit of great software out there for
> :-)the Windows platform. But, if you compare free software for Windows and
> :-)Free software for Linux, you will notice one *MAJOR* difference. Free
> :-)software for Linux tends to have the source code with it. So, if by
> :-)chance it doesn't work, then you can potentially fix it.
> Yes, um sure, uh fix it ,right. I don't think I know anybody who has the
> slightest idea what to do with source code. My car came with a transmission,
> but if it doesn't work, I doubt I'm gonna be pullin kick down bands and
> adjusting planetary gears. ("common" user, remember?).

However, you have the option of taking it to your local mechanic (including 
the list here), or the guy who designed and built the transmission
(right to the maintainer of the product), or to a "chain garage" (RH,
Debian, Corel, SuSE, etc), or to . . . .
That's the key.  Not that  you fix it yourself (although you can do
that), but that you have OPTIONS on fixing it.  One of the problems
with proprietary software is that when it breaks, your request goes
into the queue with everyone else's, and you have to hope your problem
is common enough that the company that produces it will fix it.  And,
if they decide that they want you to upgrade, you're SOL (note that
the Linux 2.0 kernel is STILL maintained [I believe a 2.0.39 is in the
works, bug fixes only]).



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Re: GRUB (was: Re: LILO question (summary))

[Bob Bell]

On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 08:54:24AM -0400, Bruce McCulley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> In the process I found some references to GRUB which suggested that it was
> becoming the boot loader of choice, at least for Caldera, partly because it
> circumvents that nasty BIOS cylinder number limitation.

I believe that restriction has been removed in the latest release
of LILO.

A just to save everyone the trip through freshmeat, GRUB's at
http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/

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Re: off topic ?

[Bob Bell]

On Wed, May 17, 2000 at 05:56:40PM -0400, Tom Rauschenbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Perhaps this can be forgiven...
> 
> http://www.neaq.org/explore/vtour.proto/penguins.html

I was just there about a month ago and saw these guys.  Real cute.
None responded to "Tux", though... (I always thought Tux was bigger,
anyway)

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Re: Directions for tonight's meeting

[Benjamin Scott]

On Thu, 18 May 2000, Randy Edwards wrote:
> Can someone point me to a URL with directions to tonight's meeting?  TIA.

http://www.illuminata.com/contactus/contacts.html

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Directions for tonight's meeting

[Randy Edwards]

Can someone point me to a URL with directions to tonight's meeting?  TIA.

 Regards,
 . 
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ncp printing

[Christopher M. Downs]

anyone know a good document on ncp printing ? becuase i cant seem to print to one of 
my printers on the novell network. i must have a config error or something. maybe 
someone has a sample script i can compare mine too.thanks chris

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GRUB (was: Re: LILO question (summary))

[Bruce McCulley]

I haven't really played with GRUB, but I recently muddled through some boot
problems after I installed Caldera (first mistake) and used COAS to change the
boot details (second mistake).  The result was exactly the LILO behavior you
observed, LI then wipeout.  I found an explanation that said the LI indicated
the first stage boot loader ran ok but had problems getting to the second stage,
perhaps because of the BIOS cylinder number limitation, or that something moved
and LILO didn't get the address map rewritten properly.  I never identified
which glitch COAS tossed at me, I just hacked away until I got LILO working.

In the process I found some references to GRUB which suggested that it was
becoming the boot loader of choice, at least for Caldera, partly because it
circumvents that nasty BIOS cylinder number limitation.  I wondered if some of
Caldera's problems were that they were trying to transition from LILO to GRUB
and managed to screw things up in the process.  Anyway, it made me think I
should take a look at GRUB, but didn't set high expectations (although in
fairness that may be Caldera, they've been consistent on that point in my
experience with two different releases now).

Of course, it figures that rather than simply enhancing the LILO boot-sector
setup code to detect and warn about the 1024 cylinder limitation the elegant
engineering solution is to redesign and rewrite the entire program into
something much slicker that may just cause other problems!

I'd be interested in hearing other experiences with GRUB, if I get into playing
with it more myself I'll try to remember to share any noteworthy good or bad
points.

--Bruce McCulley


Randy Edwards wrote:

>[...Lilo stuff snipped...]
>
>On another topic, has anyone played with the GRUB, the GRand Unified
> Bootloader?  It's a quite nice LILO-like program which seems very, very
> flexible.  Playing with this and floppies is pretty neat...
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Re: I Need more coffee (was Plea for help: The detriment of using Microsoft products, Bombing of Dresdin, and a few other subj.'s)

[Kenneth E. Lussier]

"David P. Greenberg" wrote:
> :-)Not all of us are "guru's". I personally consider myself to be fairly
> :-)unknowledgable. The greatest lesson that I have ever learned was that
> :-)"The only thing that we can know with certainty is that we certainly
> :-)don't know anything". If you can admit that you don't know it, then you
> :-)can freely ask for help. That's what I do. I offer my tiny amount of
> :-)knowledge to people that may need it, and the rest of the time I spend
> :-)learning from others.
> I agree whole heartedly. I am trying to free up some time to make it to some BLU
> meetings, and of course will continue with the multi-tier self learning program
> that I have been involved in for the past 3 years. As previously stated, my
> primary goal in this undertaking is to learn all I can about Linux. I just
> never realised what a major undertaking that was going to be.

Why not? Remember when you were a baby, learning to walk, talk, etc.? That
was a major undertaking. Every learning process when you start from scratch
is a major undertaking. No one said that it would be easy. And really,
there is certainly no reason why anyone should *EXPECT* it to be. I know, I
know, the argument is: "But Windows is really easy to learn". That's a
bunch of garbage. Sure, people can learn easily to point and click on the
apps that they need, but hand your average Windoze user a CD and tell them
to install NT (or 95/98 for that matter) and configure networking on it and
that's a whole different story. If all someone wants is basic funtionality,
point and click, and a few essential apps, I can teach them to use Linux in
about 3 minutes (2 1/2 minutes spent on the login process ;-). 

> :-) As to your comments about software being free on Windows and Linux,
> :-)this is quite true. There is quite a bit of great software out there for
> :-)the Windows platform. But, if you compare free software for Windows and
> :-)Free software for Linux, you will notice one *MAJOR* difference. Free
> :-)software for Linux tends to have the source code with it. So, if by
> :-)chance it doesn't work, then you can potentially fix it.
> Yes, um sure, uh fix it ,right. I don't think I know anybody who has the
> slightest idea what to do with source code. My car came with a transmission,
> but if it doesn't work, I doubt I'm gonna be pullin kick down bands and
> adjusting planetary gears. ("common" user, remember?).

Ah, but just remember that 1) you paid for the car and 2) car manufacturers
are propriery ;-). But seriously, so what if you don't know what do do with
source code (here's a hint: COMPILE IT ;-). I'll bet if you sent an e-mail
to the list stating the software package, what you did with it, what went
wrong, what errors you got, and what the docs say about those errors,
someone here has seen it, fixed it, used it, or written it! That is one of
the main functions of the list 
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yacc_nevermind

[Charles Farinella]

rpm -qa |grep yacc
byacc-1.9-11

I'm getting smarter, but I'm a little slow.

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Re: yacc

[Rich Payne]

[rdp@yeoman rdp]$ whereis yacc
yacc: /usr/bin/yacc /usr/man/man1/yacc.1.gz
[rdp@yeoman rdp]$ rpm -q --whatprovides /usr/bin/yacc
byacc-1.9-12

this is from 6.2, for 6.0 it looks like it's byacc-1.9-11.i386.rpm  

--rdp

On Thu, 18 May 2000, Charles Farinella wrote:

> I'm trying to compile wine on a laptop with a minimal RH6.0
> installation, and it choked saying it can't find yacc.  I can't find 
> an RPM on the CD with the word yacc in it, so am assuming it's part
> of a larger package.  Does anyone know which one?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> C
> 
> 

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yacc

[Charles Farinella]

I'm trying to compile wine on a laptop with a minimal RH6.0
installation, and it choked saying it can't find yacc.  I can't find 
an RPM on the CD with the word yacc in it, so am assuming it's part
of a larger package.  Does anyone know which one?

TIA,

C

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RE: Help! (and a new question)

[Taylor, Chris]

FOR A USED PC: Give Greg Currie of Currie Enterprises a call.  His number is
(603) 898-4977.  he deals in buying equipment from companies that are
upgrading and resells their equipment.  He deals with everything from
computer systems to telephone switch boxes.  Last time I spoke with him he
had a trailer of 486 computers and a selection of Pentium machines too.  

NEW QUESTION: I'm not sure if this is off base or not, but I would also like
to know if there is a way of installing Linux from floppy (to include dual
processor support) as the (non-flashable) BIOS on an old dual processor
486DX I have will not support anything larger than a 520Meg HDD and
therefore cannot read the RedHat installation CD.  My goal is to make it
into a router with RedHat.  Currently I have copies of RedHat 5.2 and 6.0.




-Original Message-
From: Scott Mellott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 12:41 AM
To: Tom Rauschenbach
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Help!


Tom Rauschenbach wrote:
> 
> I know this is weird, but if anybody has a $200 Win 95 machine (needs no
> monitor, keyboard etc.) that you want to get rid of I need it.  Its gotta
have
> a working (yeah I know) Win 95 on it and a parallel port.  Time is of the
> essence.  Sorry for two off topic posts in one night.
> A 486 is OK.
> 

Electronic Planet in Nashua (Rt. 101-A across from Building 19)
typically has lots of systems for under $200 preloaded with Windows. 
The last time I was in there, they had a boat load of HP Vectra VL2
(486-66) with everythings sans the monitor for $100.

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