Re: Request for weekend Linux training
(sorry to chime in so late, haven't kept up with email while I've been traveling to attend some training seminars :-) When I used to teach training courses for Digital, it initially baffled me why customers would pay significant prices to send employees to the courses I taught, when I'd learned what I was teaching from experience without benefit of those courses. Then I realized that it took me a couple of years of product-specific experience on top of seven or eight previous years in the field to get to the point of competence with that material. The recommended course syllabus suggested customers should finish the course string in about four to six months. Sure, they wouldn't be as fluent as I, but they would be almost as productive. Another thing was that I found when I started teaching I had gaps in my knowledge. I knew the stuff I'd used pretty much inside and out, but the stuff I hadn't had to come to grips with was completely unknown to me. The students completing the training would not have the detail knowledge in any area, but they also would not have gaps in their knowledge. What they would have is a good framework for acquiring the detailed knowledge and skills that *they* needed, and much faster than they could without the training! So the learn it yourself school has some drawbacks too. --Bruce (who's writing this on an airplane en route to yet another training seminar!) Benjamin Scott wrote: > On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, Joshua S. Freeman wrote: > > Some people need lessons, handholding, mentoring, etc. to loearn concepts > > and skills that they might not have a natural affinity towards... > > Plus, some people learn well by reading, others by demonstration, others > still be lecture and explanation. People vary; not everyone can learn well > simply by reading a book. Many computer professionals can, and I suspect that > contributes to why they like computers, as computers are still a largely > text-based medium. > > -- > Ben Scott > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ** > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the > *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: > unsubscribe gnhlug > ** ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Request for weekend Linux training
On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, Joshua S. Freeman wrote: > Some people need lessons, handholding, mentoring, etc. to loearn concepts > and skills that they might not have a natural affinity towards... Plus, some people learn well by reading, others by demonstration, others still be lecture and explanation. People vary; not everyone can learn well simply by reading a book. Many computer professionals can, and I suspect that contributes to why they like computers, as computers are still a largely text-based medium. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Request for weekend Linux training
Hi, >Some people need lessons, handholding, mentoring, etc. to loearn >concepts and skills that they might not have a natural affinity >towards... Yes, I agree with this opinion. Until you reach a level, it's pretty hard to get used to using linux, especially if all you had to do is click on Heretic before, or if somebody says NFS, Need for speed comes to your mind. Little things, like using tab to get the rest of the name of a command, etc. are very hard to figure out from the net or books. And to create the first Makefile, that's a pain. I'm sure I would have appreciated any help 5 years ago, but nobody knew anything around here back then. Image setting up X by calculating the synch numbers from doc. Those nice days. Ferenc ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Request for weekend Linux training
I have a shelf filled with books on everything from linux to programming in c... yes, these books are filled with info... but there are times where it's hard to grasp a concept no matter how well written the book it's found in. Some people need lessons, handholding, mentoring, etc. to loearn concepts and skills that they might not have a natural affinity towards... (I'm one of those people...) Linux/Open Source has a long, venerable history of bootstrapping, reading man pages, reading books, reading howtos, READMEs etc... As Linux/Open Source become more widely adopted it is inevitable that there will be people who, no matter how motivated they are to use/learn Linux and other Open Source applications, need more help... For those in the community who derive a sense of identity from their status as knowledgeable linux hackers/open source contributors, campaigners, etc... the next year may be a difficult one as they finally get one of the things they may have been wishing for: - that the rest of the world wake up and realize the superiority of linux and open source!! This is sort of a repeat of a few years ago when tons of Internet newbies left commercial online services like AOL and Compu$erve for the 'real' Internet... I don't think there's any way to put the genie back in the bottle... and I *do* think that there's money to be made offering assistance to those who want to 'learn linux'... J. actually On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, Jay McCarthy wrote: > he can learn everything he needs from the internet or from books > himself. it's funny how people so money for things that they can get for > free (this ties into win people not using linux and complaining). i'm > glad the linux certification and training are seperate so someone would > not have to waste there time w/ prof. training and could learn on their > own terms, and the linux is really great in supplying the info ya need. > > -- > Jay McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Fight War, Not Wars > Destroy Power, Not People > > ** > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the > *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: > unsubscribe gnhlug > ** > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp public key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.threeofus.com -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Request for weekend Linux training
he can learn everything he needs from the internet or from books himself. it's funny how people so money for things that they can get for free (this ties into win people not using linux and complaining). i'm glad the linux certification and training are seperate so someone would not have to waste there time w/ prof. training and could learn on their own terms, and the linux is really great in supplying the info ya need. -- Jay McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fight War, Not Wars Destroy Power, Not People ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Request for weekend Linux training
UGH!!! sorry list ahah typed it up and then hit send without changing To: haha On Tue, 08 Feb 2000, you wrote: > Hi, > I'm interested in your sons situation because I am a 17y old who has been using > Linux for about 2 years now. I'm also seriously considering starting to teach > linux classes (I'm already teaching my 11y old sister and my best friend). What > level of training is your son interested in? How much computer skills does he > already have? I would be interested in teaching him. So unless you/he is > looking for professional certification or something along that line please > email me back with a little more detail. > > -Adam- > > PS. I'm situated about 10 minutes north of the Mass. boarder about half way > between Nashua and Peterborough. > > > Please help me to find a non expensive Linux training place for my 16y old > > son on weekend. > > > > Jean-Luc Momplaisir > > MIS Department > > BostonCoach Corp. > > (617) 394-3744 Phone > > (617) 394-3755 Fax > > > > "Momplaisir, Jean-Luc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > __ > NetZero - Defenders of the Free World > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > > ** > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the > *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: > unsubscribe gnhlug > ** __ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Request for weekend Linux training
Hi, I'm interested in your sons situation because I am a 17y old who has been using Linux for about 2 years now. I'm also seriously considering starting to teach linux classes (I'm already teaching my 11y old sister and my best friend). What level of training is your son interested in? How much computer skills does he already have? I would be interested in teaching him. So unless you/he is looking for professional certification or something along that line please email me back with a little more detail. -Adam- PS. I'm situated about 10 minutes north of the Mass. boarder about half way between Nashua and Peterborough. > Please help me to find a non expensive Linux training place for my 16y old > son on weekend. > > Jean-Luc Momplaisir > MIS Department > BostonCoach Corp. > (617) 394-3744 Phone > (617) 394-3755 Fax > > "Momplaisir, Jean-Luc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> __ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Request for weekend Linux training
Here is the request. Please respond to him directly. Please help me to find a non expensive Linux training place for my 16y old son on weekend. Jean-Luc Momplaisir MIS Department BostonCoach Corp. (617) 394-3744 Phone (617) 394-3755 Fax "Momplaisir, Jean-Luc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Bruce Dawson wrote: >> >> I got the following message. Does anyone have any ideas? >> >> > Please help me to find a non expensive Linux training place for my 16y old >> > son on weekend. >> > >?? where is he located?? > >geoff >-- >** >Geoff Allsup [EMAIL PROTECTED] Upper Ocean Processes Group >Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution Woods Hole, MA, USA >** > >** >To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the >*body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: >unsubscribe gnhlug >** - Jerry Kubeck Customer Support Appropriate Solutions, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AppropriateSolutions.com ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Request for weekend Linux training
Bruce Dawson wrote: > > I got the following message. Does anyone have any ideas? > > > Please help me to find a non expensive Linux training place for my 16y old > > son on weekend. > ?? where is he located?? geoff -- ** Geoff Allsup [EMAIL PROTECTED] Upper Ocean Processes Group Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution Woods Hole, MA, USA ** ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Request for weekend Linux training
I got the following message. Does anyone have any ideas? > Please help me to find a non expensive Linux training place for my 16y old > son on weekend. ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
