Re: GNHLUG NH registration
Cole, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Out of curiosity, did you ask if they knew each other - leading to the question if perhaps they knew somebody in common? No. Seeing that they just got a call out of the blue telling them that their name and address was on a document stating that they were a board member of an organization that they had never heard of, I was not going to play six degrees of freedom with them. One was already making noises about privacy violations. I told them that at most the State of New Hampshire might be calling them to verify that they were not the board members. I will repeat that the person that supposedly signed the document, paid the $100. registration fee, etc. was Peter Wells of 408 Middle Hancock Rd., Petersborough, NH 03458 and when I called him he said that not only had he never signed a letter like that, but he had never heard of the Greater New Hampshire Linux User's Group. That alone should be enough for the state to cancel the registration. Interestingnow that I go back to Ted's original message to try and get the original documents to come up, I get this message from the New Hampshire Corporate Division Website: Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01a8' Object required: '[object]' /corporate/soskb/Corp.asp, line 41 If I wanted to go the paranoid route, it seems that the webmaster of the State of New Hampshire is involved in this. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: GNHLUG NH registration
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:13:02 -0400 Ed Lawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jerry was a doer and wanted to get things on a solid foundation, so he may have had something signed and formed. Jerry was President of GNHLUG, in fact, and it was on his watch that we first began to see the merits of the distributed LUGs plus a regional umbrella. And he might well have worked on incorporation. That said, the difficulty of associating names on file with the Secretary of State with actual people and addresses is weird. I get by the Secretary of State's office. If something needs looked up I'll be happy to make a side trip to the Corporations Division next time. (Photocopies of signatures from the incorporation documents?) -Bill ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: GNHLUG NH registration
Ted, I have now spoken to three of the four people on the GNHLUG report (I could not call Barbara Caverly, because there was no Caverly on that street, or in that town. But I talked with Peter Wells, Gary Williams and Jan Phillips, all listed as board members on the report, and all residing at the addresses listed on the report, and NONE of them knew anything about Linux or the Greater New Hampshire Linux Users Group. I have a young law student who is doing something for Linux International at the Franklin Pierce Law School in Concord. He is one of Ashlyn Lembree's students. I will ask Ashlyn if he could get us a copy of the original filing to see whose name is on the original filing, but I would think that the four bogus names on the report would be enough to nullify the current listing. Regards, maddog -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: GNHLUG NH registration
On Sun, 2006-10-15 at 19:25 -0400, Jon maddog Hall wrote: Ted, I have now spoken to three of the four people on the GNHLUG report (I could not call Barbara Caverly, because there was no Caverly on that street, or in that town. But I talked with Peter Wells, Gary Williams and Jan Phillips, all listed as board members on the report, and all residing at the addresses listed on the report, and NONE of them knew anything about Linux or the Greater New Hampshire Linux Users Group. Out of curiosity, did you ask if they knew each other - leading to the question if perhaps they knew somebody in common? -- Cole Tuininga [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.code-energy.com/ ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: GNHLUG NH registration
Ted, Well, we always wondered what would happen if someone tried to steal our name...and the other question was who in the world would want to do that? The fact that they have had it registered from 2000, yet still put in a report in 2005 shows a long-term interest in the name, yet I (like you) have not heard of Peter Wells, not any of the other officers listed in the annual (which by the way is a five year) report. Of course I do not know all the people in the Peterborough chapter, and it is possible that this guy just went out and incorporated it to save the name while the rest of the group wondered what to do next. I have found a Peter Wells at that address, self-employed as an architect/artist. So, since I have been attached longer than almost anyone, and actually came up with the name, do you want me to contact them and politely ask what gives? md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: GNHLUG NH registration
On 10/13/06, Jon maddog Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course I do not know all the people in the Peterborough chapter, and it is possible that this guy just went out and incorporated it to save the name while the rest of the group wondered what to do next. Given that is pretty much exactly what we did this past weekend at Hosstraders, I'd say that's actually likely. We also know there have been several instances of LUGs being formed independently and then joining GNHLUG once they found out there *was* a GNHLUG. DLSLUG and one of the iterations of MondaLUG both did that, as I recall. I think the KSC LUG did that too. So there's ample opportunity for collisions of purpose. The use of the same name is more than just a collision of purpose, of course. But I've also been told that various people have thought a given local chapter was all of GNHLUG for quite some time, until they happened to hear there are all these other chapters. I guess the biggest problem with being so unofficial is that there is no way to determine what the official group is. I admit I did not foresee this particular implication of that tautology, although it seems obvious in retrospect. So, since I have been attached longer than almost anyone, and actually came up with the name, do you want me to contact them and politely ask what gives? We might also contact Guy Pardoe (MonadLUG chapter coordinator) and see if he knows who this is. The name Peter Wells also rings a bell in what passes for my mind, although that could be a cross-linked file. When I get home, I'll grep my mail archives and see if I ever corresponded with someone of that name in the past. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: GNHLUG NH registration
On Oct 13, 2006, at 4:07 PM, Bruce Dawson wrote: Sigh. Yep. We'll work it out. If it was easy, it wouldn't be such an accomplishment to get it done. And it's a good rationalization to lift a frosty one at Martha's... Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: GNHLUG NH registration - As Elmer Fudd would say: Stwanger and Stwanger
Absolutely! This could be interesting. Greater New Hampshire Linux Users Group - Bus ID 361018 It gets more interesting. I called Mr. Peter Wells of 408 Middle Hancock Rd., Peterborough, NH 03458 at 603-924-8417 and he says that he has never been involved with Linux and has no idea what I am talking about. He thought that perhaps someone put the wrong address on the form, but when I pointed out that it was signed by Mr. Peter Wells, and that Peter Wells should know his own address, he kind of laughed and said I guess he should. I asked Mr. Wells if he would be willing to sign a deposition to the state saying that he had never signed this report, and he said that he would be willing to do that if necessary. He did give me the name of another Peter Wells (603) 899-5460 in a town close by, and I have a call in to him. In any case, my next calls are to: Cary Williams - 36 Jauqith Rd., Hancock, NH 03449 Jan Phillips, 70 Goldmine Rd., Dublin, NH 03444 Barbara Caverly, 9 Caverly Lane, Hancock, NH 03449 -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: GNHLUG NH registration
Might this have happened when Jerry Kubeck was active? I think this is after that, but a thought. It will be interesting what Peter Wells says. Might he be the piano tuner or a friend of his? What is needed is a copy of the form they filed with the Secretary of State to establish the corporation so we could see who the incorporators are. I think that would clear it up fast as there would need to be at least five and someone must recognize one of those names if they were part of our group. Anyone in Concord want to get a copy from the state? Ed Lawson ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: GNHLUG NH registration: More and more interesting
Hi, I called one of the Board of directors on the form: Barbara Caverly 9 Caverly Lane Hancock, NH 03449 There is no Caverly on Caverly Lane. No Caverly in Hancock. These two people seem to exist, and I have left voice mail on their answering machines: Gary Williams (603) 525 4249 36 Jaquith Rd. Hancock, NH 03449 Jan Phillips (603) 563 8395 70 Goldmine Road Dublin, NH 03444 Might this have happened when Jerry Kubeck was active? I would have thought that Jerry's name would be among those listed. The form at: https://www.sos.nh.gov/corporate/soskb/Corp.asp?443241 has no agent name or address, just a PO number. Seems like a bad way to run a state government. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: GNHLUG NH registration
On 10/13/06, Home [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Might this have happened when Jerry Kubeck was active? I think this is after that, but a thought. Oct 2000 would have been around the time Jerry was active. We did actually sign some paperwork, but the story was it was never submitted. But these are different names anyway. Might he be the piano tuner or a friend of his? The piano tuner is not Peter Wells. That's Charlie F. What is needed is a copy of the form they filed with the Secretary of State to establish the corporation so we could see who the incorporators are. Thanks again for your help, Ed. I know it's a mostly thankless job. :-) -- Ben ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
RE: GNHLUG NH registration: More and more interesting
There were Caverly's in Hancock. They had quite a spread. They could have had their own street. They moved. Guy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon maddog Hall Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:59 PM To: GNHLUG Organizing Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GNHLUG NH registration: More and more interesting Hi, I called one of the Board of directors on the form: Barbara Caverly 9 Caverly Lane Hancock, NH 03449 There is no Caverly on Caverly Lane. No Caverly in Hancock. These two people seem to exist, and I have left voice mail on their answering machines: Gary Williams (603) 525 4249 36 Jaquith Rd. Hancock, NH 03449 Jan Phillips (603) 563 8395 70 Goldmine Road Dublin, NH 03444 Might this have happened when Jerry Kubeck was active? I would have thought that Jerry's name would be among those listed. The form at: https://www.sos.nh.gov/corporate/soskb/Corp.asp?443241 has no agent name or address, just a PO number. Seems like a bad way to run a state government. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
RE: GNHLUG NH registration: More and more interesting
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: There were Caverly's in Hancock. They had quite a spread. They could have had their own street. They moved. When did they move? The report was filed on February 7th, 2005, signed by a guy named Peter Wells as President who is not the same Peter Wells that lives at that listed address. When you Google Greater New Hampshire Linux Users Group and Peter Wells you come up with NADA. Try doing the same thing with Ben Scott or Lembree. If the group was at all active, and they were active in it, their names would pop up. This is a hoax, and I think all the names on the report are bogus. But we will see. I am patient. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: GNHLUG NH registration: More and more interesting
On 10/13/06, Jon maddog Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you Google Greater New Hampshire Linux Users Group and Peter Wells you come up with NADA. I tried that too. I also just searched through my mail archives, and I have never corresponded with anyone by the name of Peter Wells. Several Peters, but none with the last name Wells. Try doing the same thing with Ben Scott or Lembree. Hey now, don't get Rob in trouble too. ;-) This is a hoax, and I think all the names on the report are bogus. It certainly seems that way. But then one has to wonder: Why? -- Ben ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
