Re: Possible remote docs hacking - 2/25 - 2/27

[Michael Hill via gnome-doc-list]

What are people working on?


On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 9:53 AM Michael Hill  wrote:

> Hi Shaun, how about video as needed? I'm game for leaving it running for
> the three hours Saturday and Sunday. Maybe we can check in this evening by
> video and then chat in between?
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 12:33 PM Shaun McCance  wrote:
>
>> Do y'all want to have video running on meet.gnome.org, or would you
>> rather just use chat?
>>
>> I can commit to being in front of my computer from 1200 to 1500 UTC-5
>> on Saturday and Sunday, with varying availability otherwise.
>>
>> On Sat, 2022-02-19 at 07:44 -0500, Michael Hill via gnome-doc-list
>> wrote:
>> > Toronto, UTC -5, same availability.
>> >
>> > There's always #docs. Someone else might join in.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 4:20 PM Jim Campbell 
>> > wrote:
>> > > Sounds good. Let's do it.  : )   I'm based in Chicago (UTC -6), and
>> > > can start on Friday evening (2/25) with varying availability over
>> > > the weekend. Is there an irc channel or meeting tool that we should
>> > > use to coordinate?
>> > >
>> > > Jim
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 1:17 PM Michael Hill 
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > I'm interested, I should be available.
>> > > >
>> > > > Mike
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 1:58 PM Jim Campbell via gnome-doc-list
>> > > >  wrote:
>> > > > > Hi All,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I discussed working on docs with Shaun during the Docs Office
>> > > > > Hours yesterday. We penciled-in a remote docs hackfest for the
>> > > > > weekend of 2/25 - 2/27. Would folks be interested and available
>> > > > > during that time?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Regards,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Jim
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Re: Possible remote docs hacking - 2/25 - 2/27

[Michael Hill via gnome-doc-list]

Hi Shaun, how about video as needed? I'm game for leaving it running for
the three hours Saturday and Sunday. Maybe we can check in this evening by
video and then chat in between?

Mike


On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 12:33 PM Shaun McCance  wrote:

> Do y'all want to have video running on meet.gnome.org, or would you
> rather just use chat?
>
> I can commit to being in front of my computer from 1200 to 1500 UTC-5
> on Saturday and Sunday, with varying availability otherwise.
>
> On Sat, 2022-02-19 at 07:44 -0500, Michael Hill via gnome-doc-list
> wrote:
> > Toronto, UTC -5, same availability.
> >
> > There's always #docs. Someone else might join in.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 4:20 PM Jim Campbell 
> > wrote:
> > > Sounds good. Let's do it.  : )   I'm based in Chicago (UTC -6), and
> > > can start on Friday evening (2/25) with varying availability over
> > > the weekend. Is there an irc channel or meeting tool that we should
> > > use to coordinate?
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 1:17 PM Michael Hill 
> > > wrote:
> > > > I'm interested, I should be available.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 1:58 PM Jim Campbell via gnome-doc-list
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > >
> > > > > I discussed working on docs with Shaun during the Docs Office
> > > > > Hours yesterday. We penciled-in a remote docs hackfest for the
> > > > > weekend of 2/25 - 2/27. Would folks be interested and available
> > > > > during that time?
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim
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Re: Possible remote docs hacking - 2/25 - 2/27

[Michael Hill via gnome-doc-list]

Toronto, UTC -5, same availability.

There's always #docs. Someone else might join in.

Mike


On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 4:20 PM Jim Campbell  wrote:

> Sounds good. Let's do it.  : )   I'm based in Chicago (UTC -6), and can
> start on Friday evening (2/25) with varying availability over the weekend.
> Is there an irc channel or meeting tool that we should use to coordinate?
>
> Jim
>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 1:17 PM Michael Hill  wrote:
>
>> I'm interested, I should be available.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 1:58 PM Jim Campbell via gnome-doc-list <
>> gnome-doc-list@gnome.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I discussed working on docs with Shaun during the Docs Office Hours
>>> yesterday. We penciled-in a remote docs hackfest for the weekend of 2/25 -
>>> 2/27. Would folks be interested and available during that time?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Jim
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Re: Possible remote docs hacking - 2/25 - 2/27

[Michael Hill via gnome-doc-list]

I'm interested, I should be available.

Mike


On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 1:58 PM Jim Campbell via gnome-doc-list <
gnome-doc-list@gnome.org> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I discussed working on docs with Shaun during the Docs Office Hours
> yesterday. We penciled-in a remote docs hackfest for the weekend of 2/25 -
> 2/27. Would folks be interested and available during that time?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jim
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Re: Docs standup tomorrow, Oct 20

[Michael Hill via gnome-doc-list]

Hi Shaun,

I'm working in an office for now so I'm not able to join. I'd be interested
in following the discussion, though.

Mike


On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 9:13 PM Shaun McCance  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm going to try to stick to this commitment to do weekly docs
> standups. The next one is tomorrow, October 20, at 15:00 UTC.
>
> https://meet.gnome.org/b/sha-muk-akl-apm
>
> If you can't make it, no worries, we'll do it again next week. And
> don't feel like you have to commit to an hour. If you just want to pop
> in for five minutes to ask a question, that's cool.
>
> Everybody is welcome to join. If we have seasoned writers show up,
> we'll slog thru issues and merge requests. If we have newcomers show
> up, we'll learn how to work on GNOME docs. If nobody shows up, I'll
> just do some docs work myself.
>
> Enjoy your day.
>
> --
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Re: Converting yelp-check to Python

[Michael Hill via gnome-doc-list]

Hi Shaun,

It works for me so far. I needed to change the http in the creativecommons
lines to https.

Mike


On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 2:01 PM Shaun McCance  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Over the last couple weekends, I've been working on converting yelp-
> check to Python. I've basically hit feature parity (with caveats), and
> it's now in git. It hasn't yet replaced yelp-check, but you can test
> it, and I'd appreciate if you did.
>
> First, grab from git:
>
>   git clone g...@gitlab.gnome.org:GNOME/yelp-tools.git
>
> Then, anywhere you'd normally call yelp-check, instead call python3
> with the path to tools/yelp-check.py. For example:
>
>   python3 yelp-tools/tools/yelp-check.py links \
> gnome-user-docs/gnome-help/C
>
> There are two things that are different:
>
> 1. There's no support for DocBook's entityref attributes, because I
> didn't see an API in lxml to resolve unparsed entity references, and
> honestly I don't think I've ever seen anyone use entityref in my 20 or
> so years of working with the format.
>
> 2. It's considerably more strict about orphans in Mallard sites. This
> probably doesn't affect anybody but me, and the new behavior is
> arguably more correct.
>
> If you've read this far, here's some reasoning behind this change. When
> I first wrote yelp-tools, and gnome-doc-utils before that, I tried
> really really hard to keep its dependencies super low to eliminate
> barriers to adoption. Building GNOME has a different affair back then.
> So I wrote in sh and awk, and avoided GNUisms whenever they were
> pointed out to me. I learned *a lot*.
>
> Now we have a build system written in Python. Python is everywhere.
> Nobody is balking at a tool because it uses Python. Why am I still
> writing in sh and awk?
>
> But also, it's only worth converting if there are advantages going
> forward. So here they are:
>
> * The new Python script is a bajillion times faster.
>
> * I can make Ducktype just work without an extra conversion step.
>
> * I intend to add a config file parser now, and then:
>
> * We'll be able to specify default options for commands.
>
> * We'll be able to run multiple checks with a single command.
>
> * We'll be able to generate reports, which can be run on CI.
>
> * We'll be able to do custom commands, replacing the kind of stuff we
> have now in gnome-help.sct.
>
> The last point is worth talking about more. Right now, gnome-help.sct
> has Schematron rules like this one:
>
>   
> >Must have non-empty desc
>   
>
> Not bad, pretty straight-forward. Then you run an xmllint command that
> you can find in a comment at the top of the file. It works.
>
> My plan is that a yelp-check.cfg file can contain this:
>
>   [desc-non-empty]
>   Select = /mal:page/mal:info
>   Assert = normalize-space(mal:desc) != ''
>   Message = Must have non-empty desc
>
> And then you could run:
>
>   yelp-check desc-non-empty
>
> Anyway, long email over. Please test the new Python script.
>
> Thanks,
> Shaun
>
>
>
>
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Re: Let's start talking

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On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 2:02 PM Petr Kovar  wrote:

> I'm. I like the idea but finding the correct time is always difficult.
> Maybe just pinging folks on IRC to see who's online to chat would work
> better for a start?

Most afternoon times CET would work for me.

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Re: Launching Settings

[Michael Hill]

Hi Hannie,

On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 6:16 AM, Hannie Dumoleyn <
lafeber-dumole...@zonnet.nl> wrote:
>
> Which distro do you use?
>
Mostly Fedora. I have others around for reference.

> I use Ubuntu. If I follow the above instructions, under Settings I get
> Network (first) and wifi (second). I can choose to go the the Network panel
> or wifi panel, depending on what I want to configure. Is this different in
> your distro?
>
In Fedora Atomic I see Network and Wi-Fi as the second and third hits after
System Monitor. Since you get a similar result on Ubuntu, it's probably
safe to leave things the way they are, except to "Click Network" or "Click
Wi-Fi" accordingly.

> Of course one can also launch Settings from the system menu. In my case,
> all I have to do is click the Settings button.
>
 I launch it from the system menu because it's the fewest steps for me.
It's harder to describe in a translatable manner, though.

> Another method is to add the Settings icon to the Dock, if it is not there
> already. It might be useful to add a separate item to Help, explaining the
> different ways in which one can open Settings.
>
This is covered in general terms in shell-apps-open.page. Maybe it would be
appropriate to add a recurring link to it, the way Activities is a link now.

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Launching Settings

[Michael Hill]

The user help has these instructions for launching each Settings panel
(with Network as an example):

1. Open the Activities overview and start typing Network.

2. Click on Network to open the panel.

The reason for this was that not everyone gets the same icon on the
Settings button in the system menu (the way I always launch Settings).

Network used to be the first hit in the search, but now I get three app
icons before it and it shows up in the list part of the search results.
Wi-Fi is now a separate panel, so the manual network settings instructions,
for instance, are getting ridiculous: 1, 2 above, then if you don't have a
wired connection, click Wi-Fi in the left pane.

Is there a better way to describe launching settings?

Mike
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Re: Migrate to gitlab.gnome.org?

[Michael Hill]

Hi Petr,

I'm in favour too. I think by this point people are even ready for the 2018
process feel.

Mike


On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 2:00 PM, Jim Campbell  wrote:

> Hi Petr,
>
> Thanks I would be in favor of this transition.
>
> Jim
>
> On Jan 11, 2018 12:51 PM, "Petr Kovar"  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> More and more GNOME projects seem to be migrating from old git
>> infrastructure and Bugzilla to https://gitlab.gnome.org/.
>>
>> Would there be any objections to moving our docs repos (gnome-user-docs
>> etc.) to gitlab.gnome.org after the upcoming stable release?
>>
>> This would affect the documentation work in the following way:
>>
>> Contributors would follow a GitHub-like workflow by forking the docs repo,
>> creating a topic branch, and submitting a merge request when ready for
>> peer
>> review.
>>
>> Users would use the GitLab integrated issue tracker instead of Bugzilla.
>> Old bugs would be migrated to GitLab (and closed in Bugzilla).
>>
>> There would be no need to upload patches to Bugzilla to contribute.
>>
>> The overall process would feel more like 2017 rather than 2007 or 1997.
>>
>> The translation process shouldn't be affected.
>>
>> Thoughts, comments, concerns?
>>
>> Best,
>> pk
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Re: Change of leadership

[Michael Hill]

Thanks Kat, thanks Petr!

Mike
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Re: Docs for GNOME Internet Radio Locator in yelp

[Michael Hill]

Hi Ole,

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Ole Aamot  wrote:


The bug is that I can't view the help by opening "help:girl" in Yelp.

Any ideas?


Does it matter which version you're running? If I launch the system 
help, I can get to the girl index page by hitting Ctrl-L and typing 
help:girl . If I clone the source I can view the latest by going 
to girl/help/C and typing 'yelp . &' in the shell window. (In that case 
the url is ghelp: with the full path.) I can go from there back to the 
system version with Ctrl-L and overwriting the url with help:girl again.


Mike



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Re: Hackfests at GUADEC and OpenHelp?

[Michael Hill]

Shaun, if you're going to be at Open Help, I'll see if I can talk Ryan into
going.

Mike


On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:

 On Thu, 2015-05-28 at 10:45 +0100, Ekaterina Gerasimova wrote:
  Hi all, GUADEC (7-12th August, Gothenburg) and OpenHelp (26-30th
  September, Cincinnati) are coming up soon. There will be hacking days
  at both conferences which would be great opportunities to do some
  writing.
 
  Who would be interested in joining in?

 I'm tentatively planning on attending GUADEC. What would be the dates
 for the hackfest?

 I will, of course, be at Open Help.

 --
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Re: Proposal to make GnomeLove official and move it to developer.gnome.org

[Michael Hill]

Hi Michael,

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Michael Catanzaro mcatanz...@gnome.org
wrote:

I'm really thinking of jhbuild specifically here. I don't think this is
 a more general issue for us.

 What advantages do you see in this page over GnomeLove/BuildGnome?


https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2015-February/msg00118.html

Mike
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Re: Proposal to make GnomeLove official and move it to developer.gnome.org

[Michael Hill]

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Michael Catanzaro mcatanz...@gnome.org
wrote:

Having multiple conflicting tutorials is confusing to new contributors,
 and harmful when those two tutorials are incompatible.


Disclaimer: I am not a jhbuild beginner.

Please find an example other than jhbuild for harmful incompatible
tutorials. Regardless of other documentation that existed when the HowDoI
was created, it is actively updated as jhbuild changes by Ryan, a developer
and contributor to jhbuild. It has proven ideal in a hackfest environment
for all levels of user (although an intern at a hackfest can't be
classified as a beginner either).

It's where I look to see what has changed with jhbuild since the last time
I ran it, and is arguably the best source of information for other
tutorials whose goal is to *not* conflict. It regularly achieves legitimacy
by being replicated on developer.gnome.org, where it's cleverly concealed
from beginners performing case-sensitive searches. It brings the
perspective of multiple platforms.

Mike
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Re: Proposal to make GnomeLove official and move it to developer.gnome.org

[Michael Hill]

Hi Carlos,

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Carlos Soriano Sanchez 
csori...@redhat.com wrote:

I am not testing only how a beginner person that came to a hackfest, given
 a tutorial on jhbuild and fedora distro, how it successfully builds.
 This is only the tip of the iceberg. Jhbuild is just a a part of a tool
 for something much bigger. Discovering and contributing to Gnome.


I applaud your efforts to address these issues for beginners. I was trying
to correct the misconception held by Michael and others that the goal is to
eliminate HowDoI/Jhbuild, a useful tool that isn't *only* for beginners.

Mike
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Re: late coming features

[Michael Hill]

On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Ekaterina Gerasimova kittykat3...@gmail.com
 wrote:

Most of the screenshots in gnome-user-docs were updated for the last
 release, but there are a fair few screenshots in other applications
 which need to be updated because of the changes in the top bar. I have
 pushed some notification-related changes to master already as I missed
 Jim's email about the branch!


Is it then preferable to work on master going forward?

Mike
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Re: late coming features

[Michael Hill]

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Jim Campbell jcampb...@gnome.org
 wrote:

  This shows that these files will require work:
 
gnome-classic.page
keyboard-shortcuts-set.page
sharing-desktop.page
shell-introduction.page
shell-keyboard-shortcuts.page
shell-notifications.page
shell-notifications.page
shell-terminology.page
 
  We'd appreciate any help on those!  Thanks, all!!

 I've pushed a bunch of raw changes to the branch. One thing I've
 noticed is that vino is still using a status icon, so we have to
 mention the 'legacy tray' for status icons in there - it doesn't
 appear anywhere else, and is not really explained.


Matthias mentioned calendar appointments screenshot. Also affected are:

clock
clock-calendar
clock-set
clock-timezone

Is there a way to get to Date  Time Settings from the clock?

Is the Weather preview under the calendar implemented yet?

Mike
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Re: Docs Status

[Michael Hill]

Hi Shaun,

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:

 All of you have been using this for a while now, so I'd like to solicit
 feedback on it to see how it could be improved, as well as what works
 well right now.

I almost always use only review and candidate. I've tried to keep stub
status in line with the file extension, but that is redundant. I agree
that toreview sounds more accurate than review.

 * What's your favorite kind of cheese?

The single most popular cheese in the world, cheddar. I was introduced
to the idea of (but have never tried) Wensleydale, here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPN3KTtrnZM


Mike
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Re: Next (winter) docs hackfest?

[Michael Hill]

Norwich is my favourite venue ever. I also miss Brno and would like to
attend a hackfest in Berlin sometime. This winter I can't afford the
additional trip, though, because I'll have a grandchild to visit in
Japan!

I could help organize another Toronto hackfest, but that's not fair to
people who'd have to make the same trip for the summer hackfest, and
FOSDEM isn't drivable from here. As for participatiing remotely, I
would try to book a couple of days off work to join the mobile
hackerspace downtown for the occasion.

Mike
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It was a relatively mild winter followed by a very early spring snowstorm...

[Michael Hill]

...back in 2011.


-- Forwarded message --
From: Jim Campbell jwcampb...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 8:02 PM
Subject: [TLUG]: Gnome documentation hackers in Toronto this week
To: t...@ss.org


Hi All,

I'm not from Toronto, but a group of us will be in Toronto to hack on
Gnome 3.0 documentation this week, and I wanted to see if any of you
may be interested in joining us.  We'll be meeting up at Seneca
college to work on both Gnome user docs and Gnome developer / platform
docs, and will be around between March 17th and the 23rd.

If you have some free time, some experience with documentation (ala
Docbook, Mallard, API docs, etc.) and you are interested in joining
us, feel free to send a note to me (jwcampb...@gmail.com) or the Gnome
documentation team lead, Shaun McCance (sha...@gnome.org). We can fill
you in on the details.

Thanks very much, and we will look forward to hacking on docs in your
lovely city!

Jim
https://launchpad.net/~jwcampbell
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Re: Taking a haitus

[Michael Hill]

Jim, I've checked the Docs Team bylaws and I don't see anything about
having to declare a hiatus (of course I defer to Kat and Shaun on the
subject). I didn't mention the one I took before Christmas because of
a lot of overtime at work.

On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 3:36 PM, David King amigad...@amigadave.com wrote:

 Are you going to Haiti?! ;-)

After you've gotten your Caribbean Adventure out of the way, you
really should consider a vacation in Norwich.

 I'll still likely see you all at events that are held stateside...

Say America and those of us north of the border can hope you'll be
up for a hackfest in Toronto, Niagara Falls, Owen Sound or Guelph
(Hamilton even). Victoria kind of qualifies too, but it's a little
offshore. I myself appear to be bound for the easternmost city in
North America to conduct some training (our office in St John's
actually shares its longitude with a strip of Greenland). Winter's
finally over here just after noon tomorrow, but in Newfoundland I'll
be able to prolong the experience well into April.

See you soon!

Mike
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Re: gedit help

[Michael Hill]

Cursor bug:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1008965

gsetting:

http://askubuntu.com/questions/367459/mouse-cursor-disappearing-at-every-second-boot-ubuntu-13-10
 On Feb 12, 2014 4:52 PM, Michael Hill mdhil...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Feb 12, 2014 3:46 PM, Ekaterina Gerasimova kittykat3...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Some others have the same issue with continuous right now, but Rawhide
  seems to be working without problems.

 FWIW, I had this in my latest installations of Continuous *and* Rawhide in
 Boxes. The workaround for me was resizing the Boxes window as recommended
 by Christophe. I mentioned it on #continuous yesterday and Colin
 acknowledged it wasn't fixed as they thought, and cited a bug which I can't
 access from my phone. Another fix was a gsetting to toggle off and on.
 Details to follow.

 Mike

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Re: gedit help

[Michael Hill]

On Feb 12, 2014 3:46 PM, Ekaterina Gerasimova kittykat3...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Some others have the same issue with continuous right now, but Rawhide
 seems to be working without problems.

FWIW, I had this in my latest installations of Continuous *and* Rawhide in
Boxes. The workaround for me was resizing the Boxes window as recommended
by Christophe. I mentioned it on #continuous yesterday and Colin
acknowledged it wasn't fixed as they thought, and cited a bug which I can't
access from my phone. Another fix was a gsetting to toggle off and on.
Details to follow.

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Re: GUADEC hackfest

[Michael Hill]

On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Jim Campbell jwcampb...@gmail.com wrote:

 I will not be at Guadec this year, but can see about taking a day off from
 work to hack with you remotely.  If so, I would likely work on Monday, 8/5.

I can possibly arrange this for a day, too. I can work on whatever
needs work (I have a sharing page mostly finished for user docs).

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Re: Open Help Sprint

[Michael Hill]

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:

 You guys totally rocked the last hackfest without me, so I want
 to hear where everybody else thinks we are and what we should
 focus on.

Would developer docs be too big a target?
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Boxes UI freeze break request

[Michael Hill]

Hi all,

I'm requesting a freeze break for the Help app menu item for Boxes[1].

Thanks!

Mike

[1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=695212
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Re: Boxes UI freeze break request

[Michael Hill]

Hi André

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote:

 That report is not clear to me at all.
 Does Help in the app menu already exist and just needs to be linked
 against help:gnome-boxes ? If so, no new string would be introduced, and
 no UI change takes place either.

Sorry, help was just merged and the app menu needs a 'Help' entry to
access it. Patch is pending.

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Re: Boxes UI freeze break request

[Michael Hill]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 8:59 AM, Michael Hill mdhil...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sorry, help was just merged and the app menu needs a 'Help' entry to
 access it. Patch is pending.

Patch submitted and reviewed.

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Re: Freeze break request for bug 694796

[Michael Hill]

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote:

 We've introduced new iBus character popups this cycle - these are the
 menus that let you choose different characters when using an input
 method. We got some early feedback that we'd like to address with
 these, basically by changing how the popups are themed. This is
 tracked in bug 694796 [1].

+1 from docs team.

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Re: GNOME Control Center: UI freeze break request

[Michael Hill]

On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Matthias Clasen
matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Debarshi Ray rishi...@lostca.se wrote:
 I would like to commit this patch to the Online Accounts panel in GNOME
 Control Center for 3.7.91: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=688056

 Screenshots are available on the bug.

 The following new strings were added:
 Mail
 Contacts
 Resources
 Other

 I have been using this patch locally on my system for quite some time and
 it is reasonably low impact.

 +1 from me for the release team.

+1 from docs team.

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Re: GNOME Control Center: UI freeze break request

[Michael Hill]

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:
 On Wed, 2013-02-27 at 17:05 +, Debarshi Ray wrote:
  Another +1 from r-t if docs team is fine.

 I already made the change suggested by Shaun, so I hope it is ok. If no one
 objects I will commit it tomorrow.

 I was just giving a nitpick on language. I don't know the docs
 impact. I suspect it's small or none.

 I'm really out of the loop this cycle. Someone like Mike or Jim
 should handle the requests for the docs team.

Fine by the docs team.

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Re: Open Help 2013

[Michael Hill]

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:

 Who's interested, and what would you like to work on?

I'm interested, and I'd like to work on GNOME docs.

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Re: Docs Sprint - not this time for me too.

[Michael Hill]

Hi Sindhu,

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Sindhu S sindhu@gmail.com wrote:

 My visa has been rejected and I won't be coming to the Docs Sprint.
 It has been a harrowing few days, I hope none of ever have to face this kind 
 of bureaucracy.

I'm really sorry you went through all that and don't get to be there
in person -- hopefully you'll get to experience Brno in the summer (I
understand it's beautiful but I only go in winter).

 Have fun at Docs sprint and let me know if there's anything I can work on 
 remotely :)

Definitely! We will all be on the #docs channel, and maybe Florian and
Petr can set up some kind of videoconferencing. :-)

 Best wishes and hugs to the Docs team,

Thank you, same to you!

Mike
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Re: Boxes stubs

[Michael Hill]

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Michael Hill mdhil...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just added a bunch of stubs and reorganized the index page for
 Boxes.

On feedback from the Boxes list, Unattended install corrected to the
user-facing title Express installation.

Getting around changed to Get around (the original title was The
Boxes interface).

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Re: Hackfast 2013

[Michael Hill]

Hi Jana,

On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Jana Švárová jana.svar...@gmail.com wrote:

 My name is Jana SVAROVA and would like to take part in Hackfast 2013, taking
 place in Brno, Masaryk University.
 I would like to contribute to the open source community by working on the
 Sysadmin guide.

Excellent... the sysadmin guide needs work. I see Florian has already
added you to the list:

https://live.gnome.org/Hackfests/BrnoDocs2013

See you there!

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Re: Brno Docsprint - How to get there

[Michael Hill]

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Radina Matic radina.ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 Shoot, I'll miss that as I am coming by bus from Vienna... :(
 Well, I guess I'll see you all around 8pm at the Hotel!

Radina, you can be the docs team agent in Vienna.

It would be nice to know if any other gnome conference attendees will
be travelling that way (last year the GTK+ hackfest people also posted
their arrivals and departures on the wiki).

Mike
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Re: Brno Docsprint - How to get there

[Michael Hill]

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Radina Matic radina.ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 Are there going to be any other GNOME hackfests apart from us in Brno?

None announced, but it looks like there will be more than one of the
designers, and Lennart P and Debarshi are speaking.

Florian may have an idea what other GNOME people are attending. It
would be nice to find a place to ask.

Maybe some of these people will be returning:
https://live.gnome.org/Hackfests/GtkBrno2012

Mike
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Re: Brno Docsprint - How to get there

[Michael Hill]

Hi Sindhu,

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Sindhu S sindhu@gmail.com wrote:

 Florian has suggested that we take bus directly from Airport to Brno as
 it will save us time and the hassle of traveling from Airport to Prague
 Main Railway station, which is a very good point.

This is okay if you've been to Prague before, but for those who
haven't, it seems a shame not to take advantage of the daylight and
see a bit of the city. Last year André led us on a 3-hour walking
tour, but even a circuitous transit ride would be worth a few crowns.
Let's see what other people want to do.

 2. Coming back from Brno we can take train to Prague railway station...

It should be no problem to return to Prague as part of a group.

 The reason I ask for plan of domestic travel in advance is because I need
 to carry sufficient amount on me to cover these expenses. I don't want to
 carry too much money as I have read on myczechrepublic website that
 pickpocketing professionals (as the website calls it) are often there.

There is a very low risk of this if we're travelling together. In
addition, I plan to have extra small-denomination currency to share
for getting on public transit.

Mike
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Re: Brno Docsprint - How to get there

[Michael Hill]

Hi Sindhu,

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:08 PM, Sindhu S sind...@live.in wrote:

 I plan to take the Airport Express bus from Prague airport to Prague railway
 station, from there a train to Brno. I have a few questions regarding this.

Last year André met a bunch of us at the airport and we travelled as a
group, first around Prague and then to Brno. We can do the same this
year.

Mike
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Re: Brno Docsprint - How to get there

[Michael Hill]

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Marta Maria Casetti
mmcase...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am arriving at Prague airport too (10:15am); maybe we could set a place
 and a time to meet there and go together to Brno.

Let's meet at the airport! Jim and I will be there before noon, Sindhu
shortly after. Radina?

Mike
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Pre-hackfest feature list for 3.8

[Michael Hill]

Brief summary by aday posted to the marketing list today. Allan says
he might be at DevConf, so we can pick his brain in person again.

Mike


There is already a long list of new features for the next release.
Going through them all, I think we can be confident that it will be
fairly strong. Looking at the list of improvements, there are a few
themes that stand out to me:

 * Settings - there will be at least three new settings panels
(search, notifications, privacy) as well as reworked panels for power,
network and color. There has been a huge amount of work invested.
 * There's a new story for search, with a new interface in the shell
and the new settings panel. This is a new and highly visible
integration point for applications.
 * Applications - Web, Documents, Contacts and Clocks are all getting
a decent amount of work this cycle.
 * Polish - Every Detail Matters has been extremely successful this
cycle. We also have Owen Taylor's graphics performance work and a new
kind of pressure sensitivity for actions like the hot corner and
triggering the Message Tray. There's also been a lot of work to refine
and consolidate the big new features we had in 3.6, such as input
methods integration and the lock screen. Oh, and the window selection
part of the Activities Overview has been massively improved.
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Re: Next hackfest?

[Michael Hill]

On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Radina Matic radina.ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ok, I added myself on the list of attendants with an approximate travel
 budget, but I guess I should wait for you to confirm that it has been
 approved before I actually purchase the tickets, right?

The hackfest has already been approved by the Foundation Board, but
Germán reminds us to wait for Travel Committee approval before buying
tickets.

Mike
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Re: Next hackfest?

[Michael Hill]

Hi Petr,

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Petr Kovar pk...@volny.cz wrote:

 I think it would be also great to discuss / work a bit on our Getting
 Started docs, as jimmac who has been working a lot on rich content for
 Getting Started recently will likely join us some time during the hackfest.

The plan now is to fully update the user docs for 3.8, so Getting
Started, Core Apps, and What's New stand to get a little attention.
jimmac's presentation would then fit in well. I'll write this up under
Goals on the wiki page.

Mike
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Re: current and future help

[Michael Hill]

On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 12:38 AM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:

 The default Yelp window size is actually quite large.

Maybe one size for Getting Started, and another more innocuous size
for Help While I Work? A smaller window that doesn't obscure what I'm
actually doing would go well with a context-sensitive menu entry
rather than an app menu entry.

A full-fledged app taking that much real estate doesn't encourage
people to quickly consult and dismiss it. It may also raise users'
expectations and be a continuing burden on the content creator, in
addition to increasing the package size. ;-)

Mike
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Re: Next hackfest?

[Michael Hill]

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:

 Here's a rundown, off the top of my head, of what I do, or I get
 somebody else to do...

Do you have rough deadlines for some of these?
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Re: Next hackfest?

[Michael Hill]

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:

 The full agenda can be developed fairly late, but you need basic
 goals early on.

Developer docs still the priority? Maybe with a sideline in Blender animations?

Will there be interns?

Mike
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Re: Next hackfest?

[Michael Hill]

Will you be available by Hangout?


On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:
 On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 19:06 -0400, Shaun McCance wrote:
 On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 22:47 +0100, David King wrote:
  On 2012-10-15 16:35, Florian Nadge fna...@redhat.com wrote:
  Hi,
  in case you don't have any better ideas, the Fedora/Red Hat Developers
  Conference end of February is always happy to see a few more hackfests.
 
  The docs hackfest in Brno earlier this year was great, and the whole
  team was quite productive, so for me it would be good to have a repeat
  hackfest in 2013.

 Totally agree. I was going to offer to host here if nothing else
 jumped up. But that's just because I'm selfish and lazy. If Red
 Hat is willing to host us again, and it lines up nicely with our
 schedule, we should take advantage of that.

 Hi all,

 I don't think I'm going to be able to travel in late February.
 But you don't need me to have a hackfest. Anybody want to take
 the lead in organizing?

 --
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Re: Next hackfest?

[Michael Hill]

I'm certainly available to help.
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Re: UI freeze break request for GNOME Shell

[Michael Hill]

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Florian Müllner fmuell...@gnome.org wrote:

 I have done a quick check on the documentation, it does not look like
 either behavior is currently documented...

+1 from Docs Team... we were just holding off so the right behaviour
could be immortalized in the docs.

Mike
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Re: Next hackfest?

[Michael Hill]

Brno was terrific.

Mike
 On Oct 15, 2012 5:55 PM, David King amigad...@amigadave.com wrote:

 On 2012-10-15 16:35, Florian Nadge fna...@redhat.com wrote:

 Hi,
 in case you don't have any better ideas, the Fedora/Red Hat Developers
 Conference end of February is always happy to see a few more hackfests.


 The docs hackfest in Brno earlier this year was great, and the whole team
 was quite productive, so for me it would be good to have a repeat
 hackfest in 2013.

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UI freeze break request

[Michael Hill]

Hi all,

3.6 user docs should accomodate Help app menu entries for Contacts[1]
and Documents[2].

Thanks!

Mike

[1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=683836
[2] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=683835
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Re: Nautilus UI freeze break request

[Michael Hill]

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Matthias Clasen
matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've attached a quick (untested) patch that shows minimal changes that
 are imo sufficient to update the nautilus-connect.page to the new
 dialog.

Matthias, come and join Ryan on the Doc Side.

Mike
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Documents pages

[Michael Hill]

Is anyone working on Documents pages? I'd like to review Julita's work
in light of current and Cosimo's proposed 3.5.91 features. A Help
entry in the app menu will be required. Shaun, Tiffany, any idea where
documents.page can link into the grand scheme? (files.page looks like
the obvious.)

Mike
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Fwd: [Bug 675548] Request for Enhancement re documentation for dual monitors

[Michael Hill]

Linda has configured her monitors, but has a question about Google
search results...

-- Forwarded message --
From: Linda R lindamarce...@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:00 PM
Subject: Fw: [Bug 675548] Request for Enhancement re documentation for
dual monitors
To: mdhil...@gmail.com


Sorry, I don't know how to add my comments to the bug.

As long as I can do this type of search in google:

dual monitors site:library.gnome.org

and find the information near the top of the results, I'm happy.

It's too bad that library.gnome.org results don't come up before
main.gnome.org results when you search

dual monitors site:gnome.org

-Linda

--- On Tue, 8/21/12, gnome-user-docs bugzi...@gnome.org wrote:

 From: gnome-user-docs bugzi...@gnome.org
 Subject: [Bug 675548] Request for Enhancement re documentation for dual 
 monitors
 To: lindamarce...@yahoo.com
 Date: Tuesday, August 21, 2012, 4:00 AM
 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=675548
   gnome-user-docs | user-guide | 3.4.x

 Michael Hill mdhillca changed:

What
   |Removed
  |Added
 

Status|UNCONFIRMED
|RESOLVED

CC|

   |mdhil...@gmail.com
  Resolution|

   |FIXED

 --- Comment #5 from Michael Hill mdhil...@gmail.com
 2012-08-21 11:00:49 UTC ---
 (In reply to comment #4)
  (In reply to comment #2)
   http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/3.4/display-dual-monitors.html.en
   This page does not cover the topic of dual
 monitors for a desktop though.
   Maybe we need that page.
 
  Reopening.

 Page added to master.

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Re: Attending the doc sprint

[Michael Hill]

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:

 Forgot something: I'm going to take care of the hotel rooms
 so you don't have to. Just ask for reimbursement for travel
 (flight/gas/bus) costs.

Thanks, Shaun.

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Re: A new sysadmin guide ?

[Michael Hill]

Hi Petr,

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Petr Kovar pmko...@gnome.org wrote:

 Please count me in for this admin guide effort.

Fantastic!

 Mike, do you have any specific topics outlined on that wiki page that you
 intend to work on?

Nothing specific, whatever's left... just let me know which ones you'd like.

Mike
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Re: A new sysadmin guide ?

[Michael Hill]

Hi Jim,

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Jim Campbell jwcampb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Let us proceed with Mallard, then.

I was watching for you on #docs... we left the reception relatively early.

I was just going to say maybe there's a call for both?  The topic
pages that ship with user docs could have See Alsos to the monolithic
book version.

Mike
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Re: A new sysadmin guide ?

[Michael Hill]

Hi Matthias,

On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Matthias Clasen
matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote:

 I didn't actually have a very concrete idea in mind, other than 'the
 current sysadmin material is outdated and misleading' (see
 http://library.gnome.org/admin/). Is the stuff that we've collected on
 https://live.gnome.org/SysAdminGuide sufficient for filling out some
 of these pages ? If not, I can try to scare up some experts...

There's lots of information to start... I can ask if I need more.

Should I put the pages in git somewhere?

Mike
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Re: A new sysadmin guide ?

[Michael Hill]

Attachment resized.


-- Forwarded message --
From: Michael Hill mdhil...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: A new sysadmin guide ?
To: Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com
Cc: gnome-doc-list gnome-doc-list@gnome.org


Hi Matthias,

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Matthias Clasen
matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote:

 The material is here: https://live.gnome.org/SysAdminGuide - not sure
 if this is very valuable, but better than nothing...

Here's the outline (by Ray?) as a Mallard index page. Is this what you
had in mind? (The pages are all just stubs at the moment.)

Mike
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Re: A new sysadmin guide ?

[Michael Hill]

Hi Matthias,

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Matthias Clasen
matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote:

 I wonder if anybody from the documentation team would be willing to
 work with me on turning that into a document ?

I'd like to help.

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Boxes docs

[Michael Hill]

There was a question on #docs early this morning about documentation
for Boxes. At this point there are a few pages (almost all by
Baptiste). This is being done separately from Boxes development and
will be merged (we had hoped in time for 3.6).

Baptiste transcribed the hackfest notes and I created a gitorious
repository with access for the gnome-documentation team. Details are
up to date here:

https://live.gnome.org/DocumentationProject/Tasks/ApplicationHelp

Having said that, my various Boxes installations have gone from
roughly working, the way they were at the hackfest, to not working at
all since 3.4 came out. Other than the theoretical stuff, this makes
it tricky to document.

If anyone is inclined, you're welcome to consult thenotes and add pages.

Mike
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Re: Open Help Conference

[Michael Hill]

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:

 event as well. I'm strongly considering doing a developer docs
 only sprint. We seem to have hit our stride with user help, but
 the developer docs need real attention. Thoughts?

I would like to work on developer docs.

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Re: Some release notes observations

[Michael Hill]

On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Michael Hill mdhil...@gmail.com wrote:

 files-disc-write.page is outdated:

 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671333

 Jiro and fredp see the expected behaviour, a notification with buttons
 that will launch Brasero (?).  I don't see this on my desktop machine
 in openSUSE or F17 (the only evidence I see is Blank CD/DVD in
 Nautilus), so if someone could rewrite the steps, either in the page
 itself or send them by email, it will be fixed.

 Help requested on the bug.

Done.  Thanks, Jiro!

Mike
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Some release notes observations

[Michael Hill]

Disks (in F17 and Magiea but openSUSE still has Disk Utility) -- I
added a paragraph to disk-benchmark.page about the benchmark graphs
and asked davidz to check it for accuracy on the occasion of this blog
post:

http://davidz25.blogspot.ca/2012/03/simpler-faster-better.html

He replied that the benchmark function had been removed from Disks and
may not be added back; I'll comment out the paragraph.

--

Every Detail Matters -- the keyboard navigation in the overview, as
seen here (?):

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=644306

...may need to be added to keyboard-nav.page.

--

files-disc-write.page is outdated:

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671333

Jiro and fredp see the expected behaviour, a notification with buttons
that will launch Brasero (?).  I don't see this on my desktop machine
in openSUSE or F17 (the only evidence I see is Blank CD/DVD in
Nautilus), so if someone could rewrite the steps, either in the page
itself or send them by email, it will be fixed.

Mike
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Re: Updated Application Help page on the wiki

[Michael Hill]

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote:
 On Sat, 2012-03-10 at 12:14 -0600, Jim Campbell wrote:
 Also, I couldn't find bugzilla pages for the newer apps, like
 Documents or Boxes. Obviously, those are priorities, too, so feel free
 to add those under the Priorities sections.

 Done.

Boxes bug:

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=670766

When I created the bug and posted it to the Boxes list, Zeeshan asked
if we could submit the documentation through Bugzilla, so the git
repository for the docs will likely be on Gitorious.

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Re: Brno Doc Sprint, how to get there

[Michael Hill]

Hi Andre,

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 6:37 AM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote:

 I don't know about Michael's and Susanna's plans but if you want to take
 a look at Prague you are very welcome to be my guests - I don't have any
 plans for next Thursday.
 Just tell me and I can drop you my phone number in a private email, or
 could pick you up at Prague airport holding a sign with your names
 (typos for free!), or whatever else comes to your minds. :)

That would be excellent.

Mike
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Re: editing/writing documentation

[Michael Hill]

Hi Lucie,

Contributions are always welcome.  Here's the project page:

http://live.gnome.org/DocumentationProject

The Tasks link gives you a list of things that need to be done.

The Contact link tells you how to connect to the IRC channel where
someone can often be found to answer questions.

The Contributing link tells you how to get started.

Thanks!

Mike


On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Lucie Hankey ldhan...@utvinternet.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I am hoping to simultaneously improve my knowledge of Linux and hone my
 writing skills by contributing to your documentation community.
 I have a PhD in physics, a history of tinkering with PCs (sadly, Windows,
 until very recently), and have spent the last 15 years or so as an abstract
 writer in the applied science and technology department of a large company.
 As my knowledge of Linux is at present somewhat limited, I thought it might
 be best to start with some editing/proofing to broaden my knowledge, until I
 find myself in a position to make some original contributions.
 Please let me know how best I can proceed.

 Best regards,

 Lucie

 --
 Lucie Hankey
 
 Monaree, Dingle, Kerry

 Mob. 087 7622 692
 email: ldhan...@utvinternet.com




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Re: Disk Usage Analyzer

[Michael Hill]

Hi Julita,

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 11:08 PM, yrazes yra...@gmail.com wrote:

 I did some writings for baobab. Maybe you can read them
 and give me a feedback...

Will do.

Mike
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Re: GNOME System Monitor docs

[Michael Hill]

Thanks, Bill.  Terrific!

Mike


On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Bill Day williamson@gmail.com wrote:

 I am happy to grant a CC 1 license for GNOME System Monitor Docs as requested 
 below.

 With best wishes for the future success of the GNOME Documentation Project.

 Sincerely,

 Bill Day

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 5, 2011, at 4:08 PM, Michael Hill mdhil...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Bill,

 I don't know if you've seen the Sudoku Manual copyright discussion
 on the GNOME docs list, but I may be in the same situation with
 the Mallard topic-based help for System Monitor docs... in particular
 the fields for the process list which I copied from the manual into a
 Mallard page.  Would you have an objection to emailing the list to
 make the manual available under a Creative Commons license [1] in
 addition to the GFDL?  If it's an issue I can simply rewrite the parts
 I copied.

 Thanks,

 Mike

 [1] 
 https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-list/2011-November/msg00016.html
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Re: Reminder of Q3 report

[Michael Hill]

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Jim Campbell jwcampb...@gmail.com wrote:

 How is everyone else doing? I think there was some good work around Evince,
 Eye of Gnome, and a few others. ??

Brasero, Cheese?  System Monitor docs have been worked on, but still
only almost finished.

Mike
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Re: Making release notes more useful - 'whats new ?'

[Michael Hill]

On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 9:26 AM, William Jon McCann
william.jon.mcc...@gmail.com wrote:

 We could enhance the
 https://live.gnome.org/GnomeOS/Design/Whiteboards/SoftwareUpdates
 designs in two ways:
  * Show a What's New section when a new OS update is available
  * Show a What's New link to the online release notes in the post
 install notification

 And perhaps add a What's New section to the local help documents.
 Though I think we can probably do a nicer job on the web.

This still doesn't address the many people who will get GNOME 3
unintentionally. A lot of them won't go looking on live.gnome.org.

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Matthias Clasen
matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote:

 We can also add a 'New to GNOME 3 ?' link that points to the Desktop
 Overview (something that we should have done for 3.0, really).

This should be the minimum... it could lead into the tutorial.

Mike
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Re: display-2monitors stub

[Michael Hill]

Hi Shaun,

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:

 The keyboard-shortcuts-set and keyboard-nav stubs would be good to
 get completed. For keybaord-nav, you're going to need to talk to
 some developers or a11y experts. There's a lot of keynav stuff.

Should I post a question on desktop-devel? Dan Winship, who has some
bugzilla entries from a year ago regarding navigation in the overview,
wonders whether anything still works in 3.2.  I went through the a11y
list archives but could ask there too.

Mike
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Re: possible hackfest during DeveloperConference in Brno, 17-18 February 2012

[Michael Hill]

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:

 Anybody else interested?

Yes.
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Re: display-2monitors stub

[Michael Hill]

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:

  you can drag the black panel between monitors

Very cool. Discoverability is just a function of the channels you follow.
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Re: display-2monitors stub

[Michael Hill]

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:

 By the 10th to make it into 3.2.1. Otherwise it goes in 3.2.2.

Anything else a priority for Thanksgiving/Columbus Day?   Other stubs?
 Things related to Contacts?

Mike
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Re: display-2monitors stub

[Michael Hill]

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:

 We need to update shell-session-status and shell-introduction (at
 least) for the separate of chat status and notifications. I unlinked
 shell-session-status from shell-introduction because it was wrong.

I noticed that... I'll start with these, then look at the keynav stuff.

 You can also run yelp-check comments . in the C directory to get
 a list of comments we've all made. Some of them could still be
 addressed in 3.2.

Yes, I have yelp-tools (and snippets!) working now that I'm running
3.2.  I've piped all the comments into a file.

Mike
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Re: I want to contribute documentation to gnome

[Michael Hill]

Hi Scott,

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Scott Dunn sdunn2...@gmail.com wrote:

 How do I start?

Did you settle on a distro and does it have GNOME 3.2?  I have further
experiences I can relate if you need help.

Briefly how I got started...

Install git.

Read https://live.gnome.org/Git/Developers and
http://projectmallard.org/about/learn/index.html.

Clone the desired project (I started with gnome-user-docs).

Change to the directory containing index.page and run 'yelp . ' to
start browsing/proofreading or look for .page.stub files to
write/finish... comments will describe what's needed.

Open the page file in a Mallard-aware editor (I use gedit but only
because I haven't taken the time to configure XEmacs) and edit.

Submit patches to the list.

Mike
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Re: I want to contribute documentation to gnome

[Michael Hill]

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Michael Hill mdhil...@gmail.com wrote:

 Open the page file in a Mallard-aware editor (I use gedit but only
 because I haven't taken the time to configure XEmacs) and edit.

I should point out that this is a joke... gedit does what I need, and
I love the Cobalt colour scheme.  Other people on the list could
probably help set up emacs for Mallard, but I'm eager to try the new
gedit snippets.

Mike
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user-docs: issues with some pages

[Michael Hill]

I've reviewed the pages below for 3.2 but didn't get the expected
behaviour, so would appreciate somone confirming them.

session-fingerprint - I am unable to test fingerprint procedure to
verify instructions

user-changepassword - no automatic prompt for keyring password on next
login after changing regular password, in opensuse or fedora; line
commented out

windows-key - added procedure for changing keybinding but left it
commented out because change is not allowed for me in opensuse or
fedora

shell-keyboard-shortcuts - Ctrl-Alt-D commented out; doesn't work for
me in opensuse or fedora

Mike
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Re: gnome-user-docs master

[Michael Hill]

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Phil Bull philb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do we have a list of tasks which would ideally be accomplished by the
 tarball deadline? I can hopefully work on some of those over the next
 few days.

I would like to look at some of these this week, too... if I like them
should I upgrade them to review or candidate? Should I get an account
and push my changes, or send patches to the list?

Mike
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Re: gnome-user-docs master

[Michael Hill]

Hi Shaun,

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:05 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:

 Sep 17-18: free one day
 Sep 24-25: free
 Sep 26:    3.2.0 tarballs due

 Doing it the weekend before the release would be insane.
 But then, I guess we're used to that.

Will there be time for more sprinting?

Mike
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Re: gnome-user-docs master

[Michael Hill]

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Phil Bull philb...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm sorry I couldn't be around for more of the last one. I managed to
 get the eog docs fully reviewed and edited after a few days, but that's
 all I'm afraid.

Also reviews of brasero and cheese which should be ready to freeze,
plus an evolution review (too late for 3.2).  Just so you know, the
rest of the message doesn't rhyme.

Phil, please take a look at process-loadaverage when you get a chance,
and tell me it's way too detailed.  I think six or seven pages are
left for System Monitor, some of them easy (Kelly's done the hard
part)... should I ask the maintainer (Chris Kuhl?) about timing?

 Do we have a list of tasks which would ideally be accomplished by the
 tarball deadline?

Contacts?

Mike
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Re: Evolution Mallard User Help docs frozen

[Michael Hill]

Hi Andre,

On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote:

 If you find issues while translating (typos; mistakes; something
 unclear) or if you have ideas how to improve the docs, please file a
 report to let me know:
 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=evolution;component=User%20Documentation;version=3.1.x

Sorry for the timing.  Just filed a bug report.  I gzipped the patch
to get it past Windows at Work.

Mike
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Brasero docs

[Michael Hill]

Brasero docs have been technically reviewed; Kat made the changes I
suggested and pushed them.  They are now ready for final review.

Mike
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Re: GNOME Core 3.2

[Michael Hill]

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:

 gnome-system-monitor
 - Has a DocBook manual. Mallard help on gitorious. Status?

Stubs by Phil, major work by Kelly, contributions by me.  Eight pages
left out of 30 needing work as of this morning.

Mike
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Re: gnome-user-docs master

[Michael Hill]

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:16 PM, Jim Campbell jwcampb...@gmail.com wrote:

 September 3-4 is ok for me, I think, but the 5th is a holiday here in the
 states, so a barbeque might pop up.

Same in Canada, only we spell it with a u.  There's traditionally a
football game in Hamilton that might affect the plans of tens of
thousands of people nation-wide (I have tickets with my dad).  I have
a wedding on Saturday, too, but I'll see what I can do.  (It's in
Mansfield, Ontario so wireless access is doubtful, but there might be
lots of candy.)

Mike
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Re: gnome-user-docs master

[Michael Hill]

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:

 it's time we put some real focus into our help files. Would
 anybody be interested in doing a virtual sprint? A weekend
 where we all agree to be completely devoted to docs?

Yes, in spirit.  In practice, it depends which weekend.

Mike
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Re: gnome-user-docs master

[Michael Hill]

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Kelly Sinnott ksinnott...@gmail.com wrote:

 As long as there are ridiculous amounts of candy to eat, I'm there.

Isn't it the nature of a virtual sprint that you bring your own
ridiculous amounts of candy?
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Re: System Monitor Documentation Update

[Michael Hill]

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Kelly Sinnott ksinnott...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just pushed a pretty big edit to the System Monitor docs. I took the
 liberty of setting up the index page, with groups for each subcategory. I
 also submitted my drafts for fs-diskusage, fs-info, and fs-showall. Let me
 know if everything looks good! (Project is
 at https://gitorious.org/system-monitor-docs/docs)

These look great, Kelly.  I'll try to fill in some blanks this weekend.

Mike
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Gitorious error

[Michael Hill]

I have the Permission denied (publickey) issue Julita blogged about
today (see Planet GNOME).  Is it just us?

Mike
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Re: Gitorious error

[Michael Hill]

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Tiffany Antopolski
tiffany.antopol...@gmail.com wrote:

 I pushed to my gitorious account earlier and had no problem.

Thanks, Tiffany.  I wonder if I should try from a different computer
with a new key.

Mike
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Re: Gitorious error

[Michael Hill]

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Kelly Sinnott ksinnott...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just had the same problem. I added the key that was working a second time
 (now it shows two identical keys) and now it is working.

Yay, it works.  Thanks, Kelly.

Mike
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Re: Desktop Summit

[Michael Hill]

Hi Shaun,

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:

 My talk is at 12:00 on the 6th, the first day of the conference.
 So if you come to my talk and say hello, maybe we can grab lunch
 together afterwards.

I will be at your talk and look forward to discussing how I can help
(aside from bugging Phil all the time).

Mike
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Re: Desktop Summit

[Michael Hill]

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Phil Bull philb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sorry, I'm not attending this year, I'm working in Canada for a couple
 of weeks.

I would offer to buy you a beer while you're in the country, but I'll
be in Berlin.

Mike
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Re: Revisit your name on the top bar

[Michael Hill]

On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Matthew East m...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 That's very cool.

Yes, very cool.

 FWIW the tooltip doesn't disappear again using IE7.

Same with Firefox 5 on XP with the link focused (solid underscore) or
not (dashed underscore).  Refreshing the page removes the tooltip.

Note that it works as expected on the same XP computer using Epiphany
in GNOME 3 on VMware.

Mike
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Re: System Monitor stub topics

[Michael Hill]

On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Phil Bull philb...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've dumped a load of stub topics for System Monitor on Gitorious. All
 of them have comments describing that the point of the topic is, but
 there's no actual content and no structure yet. Would anyone like to get
 started writing them? It's a mixed bag: a few simple topics, a number of
 conceptual ones, and a couple of really hardcore technical ones.

Are any taken yet?

Mike
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User docs patch

[Michael Hill]

I'm having some connection issues so I can't reach Bugzilla with this.
 I've reviewed a11y-*, backup-*, files-*, and nautilus-* for
functionality and wording and only found one issue: a select in
nautilus-views.page should read deselect.  I'll continue with
keyboard-* and mouse-*.

Mike


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Re: Clearing (applying) patches sent to the list.

[Michael Hill]

Hi Tiffany,

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Tiffany Antopolski
tiffany.antopol...@gmail.com wrote:

 Mike, are there any outstanding patches which you sent the list that are
 not posted on Bugzilla?

Just this one (the `s' in appears).

Mike


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user-docs: Bug 651563

[Michael Hill]

Catching up on patches sent to the list: user-forgottenpassword.page,
apps-evolution-setup.page.stub, files-browse.page.

Mike
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