Re: evolution & evolution-data-server string & UI freeze break approval plea

2021-03-30 Thread Daniel Mustieles García via gnome-i18n
2/2 from i18n

Regards

El mar, 30 mar 2021 a las 19:36, Milan Crha via gnome-i18n (<
gnome-i18n@gnome.org>) escribió:

> On Thu, 2021-03-18 at 15:48 +0100, Alexandre Franke wrote:
> > > I'd like to ask for a string and UI freeze break approval for the
> > > 3.40.1
> >
> > Thanks a lot for the detailed and clear explanation. 1/2 from i18n
> > for 3.40.1.
> >
>
> Hi,
> thanks Alexandre.
>
> May I ping here, in case someone else would give the second approval,
> thus the lighter (in the translatable strings) change can get into the
> gnome-40 branches, please?
>
> Thanks and bye,
> Milan
>
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Re: GNOME 40 release notes

2021-03-30 Thread Daniel Mustieles García via gnome-i18n
Sure, now it's everything shown properly.

Thanks

El mar, 30 mar 2021 a las 22:03, Andre Klapper via gnome-i18n (<
gnome-i18n@gnome.org>) escribió:

> On Thu, 2021-03-25 at 08:16 +0100, Daniel Mustieles García via gnome-
> i18n wrote:
> > Spanish translation is complete but webpage still shows some strings
> > in English.
>
> Not anymore. I assume things get updated once every 24 hours.
>
> andre
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Re: String freeze for GNOME 41

2021-03-30 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, Mar 30 2021 at 09:15:31 PM +0200, Alexandre Franke 
 wrote:
My opinion is that I don’t see the point of simplifying the 
schedule and I’m worried this will actually just increase the 
burden of translators.


Well the thing is if we have string freeze begin at a strange time not 
associated with any milestone, I suspect many developers will not 
actually be able to remember when it begins. The status quo of the 
three-week freeze is just not very elegant anymore now that the .91 
release is gone.


Do you generally get many string change notifications? I assume they 
should be relatively rare, since string changes after UI freeze are not 
terribly common, yes? I checked just now, and I count three string 
change announcements for GNOME 40, all from Milan, plus one freeze 
break request that was mistakenly submitted during the string change 
announcement period because the maintainer incorrectly assumed we were 
in string freeze during that time. So I think changing string freeze to 
last five weeks probably won't make too much difference, and it will 
simplify our schedule such that all freezes except hard code freeze 
start at the same time. And of course it means more time for 
translators to work.


Anyway, i18n team gets final say on this of course. I'll schedule it 
however you prefer.


Michael


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Re: GNOME 40 release notes

2021-03-30 Thread Andre Klapper via gnome-i18n
On Thu, 2021-03-25 at 08:16 +0100, Daniel Mustieles García via gnome-
i18n wrote:
> Spanish translation is complete but webpage still shows some strings
> in English.

Not anymore. I assume things get updated once every 24 hours.

andre
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Re: String freeze for GNOME 41

2021-03-30 Thread Alexandre Franke
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 8:46 PM Michael Catanzaro 
wrote:

> Hi,
>

Hi,

Having string freeze begin one week before 41.rc is not problematic per
> se, but it is strange and makes the schedule more complicated.


I don’t really see a problem with the existing schedule.


> So I have two (contradictory) proposals:
>
>  * Start string freeze with 41.rc. Disadvantage: this would reduce
> string freeze from three weeks down to two.
>

Nope. Three weeks can already be quite short, especially considering the
tension you added by inserting a “soft translation deadline” *before* the
newstable release.


>  * Start string freeze with 41.beta and remove the string change
> announcement period, increasing string freeze from three weeks to five
> weeks. Disadvantage: it makes changing strings harder for developers,
> and will increase the number of freeze break exception requests.
>

Right, and if exceptions become common occurrences, we all know how it will
turn out: maintainers will miss the point and won’t just bother about the
freeze anymore.


> Either way would simplify the schedule, which is my goal. Any opinions
> on this?
>

My opinion is that I don’t see the point of simplifying the schedule and
I’m worried this will actually just increase the burden of translators.

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Re: String freeze for GNOME 41

2021-03-30 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, Mar 30 2021 at 01:45:59 PM -0500, Michael Catanzaro 
 wrote:
With the 41.rc release moved one week earlier, if we make no changes 
to the timing of string freeze and string change announcement period, 
we would now have this:


40.beta UI freeze, string change announcement period begins
(two weeks later) string freeze begins
40.rc (one week later) hard code freeze begins
.0 (two weeks later)


Here I meant to type 41.beta and 41.rc, oops.


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String freeze for GNOME 41

2021-03-30 Thread Michael Catanzaro

Hi,

I've posted a draft schedule for GNOME 41 development:

https://wiki.gnome.org/FortyOne

The most significant change is that the 41.rc release is moved one week 
earlier, which has implications for i18n. Previously we did this:


90 (or 40.beta) UI freeze, string change announcement period begins
91 (two weeks later) string freeze begins
92 (or 40.rc) (two weeks later) hard code freeze begins
0 (one week later)

For GNOME 40, string freeze began halfway between beta and rc, at the 
same time it always did. This means we had two weeks of string change 
announcement period, then three weeks of string freeze before the final 
release. The string freeze was not associated with any release 
milestone, which was perhaps a little weird, but it was halfway between 
two milestones.


With the 41.rc release moved one week earlier, if we make no changes to 
the timing of string freeze and string change announcement period, we 
would now have this:


40.beta UI freeze, string change announcement period begins
(two weeks later) string freeze begins
40.rc (one week later) hard code freeze begins
0 (two weeks later)

Having string freeze begin one week before 41.rc is not problematic per 
se, but it is strange and makes the schedule more complicated. So I 
have two (contradictory) proposals:


* Start string freeze with 41.rc. Disadvantage: this would reduce 
string freeze from three weeks down to two.
* Start string freeze with 41.beta and remove the string change 
announcement period, increasing string freeze from three weeks to five 
weeks. Disadvantage: it makes changing strings harder for developers, 
and will increase the number of freeze break exception requests.


Either way would simplify the schedule, which is my goal. Any opinions 
on this?


Michael


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Re: evolution & evolution-data-server string & UI freeze break approval plea

2021-03-30 Thread Milan Crha via gnome-i18n
On Thu, 2021-03-18 at 15:48 +0100, Alexandre Franke wrote:
> > I'd like to ask for a string and UI freeze break approval for the
> > 3.40.1
> 
> Thanks a lot for the detailed and clear explanation. 1/2 from i18n
> for 3.40.1.
> 

Hi,
thanks Alexandre.

May I ping here, in case someone else would give the second approval,
thus the lighter (in the translatable strings) change can get into the
gnome-40 branches, please?

Thanks and bye,
Milan

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[DL]String additions to 'gnome-software.master'

2021-03-30 Thread GNOME Status Pages
This is an automatic notification from status generation scripts on:
https://l10n.gnome.org.

There have been following string additions to module 'gnome-software.master':

+ "Applications"
+ "In Progress"

Note that this doesn't directly indicate a string freeze break, but it
might be worth investigating.
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/commits/master
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