Re: Modules moved around
El dv 31 de 05 de 2013 a les 13:16 +0200, en/na Gabor Kelemen va escriure: 2013-05-30 16:54 keltezéssel, Gil Forcada Codinachs írta: Hi all! Today I was looking at the 3.10 release set[1] and decided to do some module shuffling (only on 3.10, 3.8 is exactly the same - or was not intended to change anything there at least). Thanks for bringing this topic up. Could you share your considerations for these changes? Sure see below: - gnome-bluetooth and gnome-packagekit (moved from Core to Utils): when I think about GNOME's Core modules I certainly don't think about installing apps or connecting to bluetooth. Both are important, sure, but not as having a session or a desktop shell or a greeter. And as the name implies, a core is not meant to be alone, but still something small. - empathy, epiphany, totem and nautilus (moved from Utils to Apps): plain and simple, I see them as full-blown apps (not like utility-like apps like baobab or gnome-disk-utility for example) - sushi and vino (moved from Utils to Backends): both, for me, fall into the category of plugins/backend configuration/settings, so not a utility per-se but something that other apps rely on (hence backends) given we don't have a category named App helpers or something better worded, but I hope you get the idea. - file-roller, gnome-clocks, gnome-color-manager, gnome-initial-setup, gnome-power-manager (moved from Apps to Utils): just like I see empathy as an app, I don't think about these modules as apps. I think about them (mostly what in Utils) as transitory apps, something you use to reach your goal, but not the app for your goal. Say you want to upload the images you get from a mail, you open the mail with evolution, you extract the tar.gz archive, you quickly browse the images and finally you upload with epiphany the images to your blog: in this text, for me I used two apps (evo and epiphany) and used two utilities (file-roller and eog). - rygel (moved from Apps to Backends): it doesn't have, at least that I'm aware (prove me wrong please) any kind of UI, so by no means its an app for me. - mutter (moved from Backends to Core Libraries): ok, for this one I don't have a really strong opinion about, but somehow, given how the modules are currently split I would say that it fits better on Core Libraries than in backends... - folks and gnome-video-effects (moved from Extra Libraries to Backends): both are powering/helping other apps, and to some that could be a rough definition of backend :) Also, I just ran my liedetector script with the following results: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5719536/ Really curious about the liedetector what's that? Could you share it? If I understand correctly it's a detector of modules that are missing or non part of what we have in damned-lies and (just a guess) what's on jhbuild release set? I think it would make a lot of sense to have it as a django command in damned-lies and make it run like once per week/month and send a mail to this mailing list about changes. We need to fix the man-power on damned-lies though... Seems like we have to move in a few modules: bijiben clutter-gtk // not entirely convinced the usefulness of translating this, but whatever, it has a po directory gnome-shell-extensions gnome-weather grilo grilo-plugins libgsf libsecret tracker For bijiben and gnome-weather I'm not sure about their status (the same could be said about gnome-music for example) when are they considered part of the release set? Maybe we should send a mail on d-d-l asking about the official/canonical place where to look what's in and what's not in (not to be discriminatory on who's out, just to clarify as for where do we must translate to still be considered and active and supported language). clutter-gtk I think is going to be deprecated, but that's just a thought on top of my head, so I'm not sure it's worth adding (probably, again, asking on d-d-l). grilo, grilo-plugins and tracker (maybe even libgsf) probably are runtime dependencies, so everything works if they are not there, but something is shown if they are around, which I would say falls out of the release set for me. Again, a d-d-l mail would help clarify their status. Finally libsecret for sure, good catch! And remove these: libcryptui gnome-power-manager libcryptui is getting replaced by libsecret or so, so no problem, but why do you think gnome-power-manager should no longer be around? I'm puzzled on that one. Thanks a lot for taking care of this! Cheers, Gil I'll try to apply these today. Regards Gabor Kelemen Please take a look at the changes[2] and move them back if there's strong opinion against some shuffling. The changes are mostly (probably I will forget some): - gnome-bluetooth: moved from Core to Utils - gnome-packagekit: moved from Core to Utils - empathy: moved from Utils to Apps - epiphany: moved from Utils to Apps - nautilus: moved from Utils to Apps - sushi: moved
Re: Modules moved around
En 01/06/13 23:03, Gil Forcada escribiu: For bijiben and gnome-weather I'm not sure about their status (the same could be said about gnome-music for example) when are they considered part of the release set? Maybe we should send a mail on d-d-l asking about the official/canonical place where to look what's in and what's not in (not to be discriminatory on who's out, just to clarify as for where do we must translate to still be considered and active and supported language). I was about asking this specific thing. I have read that gnome-music and gnome-maps will be part of the release set so moving them to core could make sense. Prioritizing modules from Extra sometimes could be hard, as for a lot of modules we don't know if they are still maintained. Regards ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Modules moved around
2013-05-30 16:54 keltezéssel, Gil Forcada Codinachs írta: Hi all! Today I was looking at the 3.10 release set[1] and decided to do some module shuffling (only on 3.10, 3.8 is exactly the same - or was not intended to change anything there at least). Thanks for bringing this topic up. Could you share your considerations for these changes? Also, I just ran my liedetector script with the following results: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5719536/ Seems like we have to move in a few modules: bijiben clutter-gtk // not entirely convinced the usefulness of translating this, but whatever, it has a po directory gnome-shell-extensions gnome-weather grilo grilo-plugins libgsf libsecret tracker And remove these: libcryptui gnome-power-manager I'll try to apply these today. Regards Gabor Kelemen Please take a look at the changes[2] and move them back if there's strong opinion against some shuffling. The changes are mostly (probably I will forget some): - gnome-bluetooth: moved from Core to Utils - gnome-packagekit: moved from Core to Utils - empathy: moved from Utils to Apps - epiphany: moved from Utils to Apps - nautilus: moved from Utils to Apps - sushi: moved from Utils to Backends - totem: moved from Utils to Apps - vino: moved from Utils to Backends - file-roller: moved from Apps to Utils - gnome-clocks: moved from Apps to Utils - gnome-color-manager: moved from Apps to Utils - gnome-initial-setup: moved from Apps to Utils - gnome-power-manager: moved from Apps to Utils - rygel: moved from Apps to Backends - mutter: moved from Backends to Core Libraries - folks: moved from Extra Libraries to Backends - gnome-video-effects: moved from Extra Libraries to Backends Seems quite a lot of changes, but I hope it keeps the groups a bit saner, I would say that Utils (and probably Apps) need a split (and probably also fro Backends). On the other hand, Accessibility, Games and Development tools are quite stable and set I would say. Opinions, comments, tomatoes? Cheers, [1] https://l10n.gnome.org/languages/ca/gnome-3-10/ui/ [2] Compare it with https://l10n.gnome.org/languages/ca/gnome-3-8/ui/ ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Modules moved around
Hi all! Today I was looking at the 3.10 release set[1] and decided to do some module shuffling (only on 3.10, 3.8 is exactly the same - or was not intended to change anything there at least). Please take a look at the changes[2] and move them back if there's strong opinion against some shuffling. The changes are mostly (probably I will forget some): - gnome-bluetooth: moved from Core to Utils - gnome-packagekit: moved from Core to Utils - empathy: moved from Utils to Apps - epiphany: moved from Utils to Apps - nautilus: moved from Utils to Apps - sushi: moved from Utils to Backends - totem: moved from Utils to Apps - vino: moved from Utils to Backends - file-roller: moved from Apps to Utils - gnome-clocks: moved from Apps to Utils - gnome-color-manager: moved from Apps to Utils - gnome-initial-setup: moved from Apps to Utils - gnome-power-manager: moved from Apps to Utils - rygel: moved from Apps to Backends - mutter: moved from Backends to Core Libraries - folks: moved from Extra Libraries to Backends - gnome-video-effects: moved from Extra Libraries to Backends Seems quite a lot of changes, but I hope it keeps the groups a bit saner, I would say that Utils (and probably Apps) need a split (and probably also fro Backends). On the other hand, Accessibility, Games and Development tools are quite stable and set I would say. Opinions, comments, tomatoes? Cheers, [1] https://l10n.gnome.org/languages/ca/gnome-3-10/ui/ [2] Compare it with https://l10n.gnome.org/languages/ca/gnome-3-8/ui/ ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
